Religious discussion - 1

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by klc
No one on earth has the same DNA as Jews - we are as unique as they come.

I assume you meant this metaphorically. Scientifically, I have never heard of any such thing, except in the case of Jewish Cohanim, the priestly descendants of Aharon:

http://www.aish.com/societywork/scie...Connection.asp

When considerring the intermingling of the Erev Rav among Israel during the exodus from Egypt, as well as the acceptance of converts throughout several thousands of years, I doubt that it is possible to detect a distinct Jewish DNA sequence in non-priestly Jews.

[cerulean]

As Jews we know instinctively that "God" is within us and "God" is us. We are God and God is Me. God is not to be found on the streets or in a book, it is to be found within the Self. I am Jew: I am God. Jesus and Mohammed did not understand this. They saw their individuality as the path to God-realisation but they can never reach God. Why? Because their existance is based entirely on the hatred of the Jew. Islam believes that for Islam to be great, the Jew must die. This was the same ideology behind Hitler's Holocaust. That ideology in itself evolved from Christian countries, which evolved from... Jesus. The two stumbling blocks to world peace are Jesus and Mohammed.

People thinking they are gods is somewhat problematic I think. I am not sure I fully understand your philosophy in this respect. Of course there are major theological problems from a traditional standpoint, but from the practical point of view, numerous problems would arise if people thought they were gods and acted as such.

I'm not sure I'd say Jesus and Muhammed are the main stumbling blocks to world peace. They're long gone. It's what their followers are saying about them that has been and currently is problematic.

[klc]

I have seen statistical evidence that all Cohen's are related and there is a DNA strain that's is a marker of full-blood Jews and people born to Jewish mothers; unfortunately I do not have the links available (on my other PC and I deleted system32.. oops!)

I remember seeing something on National Geographic a few months back, about a tribe of black African Ethiopeans who claimed to be Jewish. When they had their DNA tested and compared to Cohen's DNA, which is about as pure as you can get, the same marker that can identify Jews even after dilution was found.

Common traits are found within DNA between everyone, of course, but there is one particular strand that defines a "Jew".

People are unwilling to admit to that for fear of 'branding' the Jews as a race of people and thus being forced to admit atrocitues up to and including genocide were commited on them. How many people refute the idea that the Holocaust even happened? How many people would wish to deny the Jews Israel because they claim Jews are not a race but instead a religious sect?

We are all Jewish and as such must enact our right to a secure and free homeland.

The world must listen.

Shalom

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by klc
As Jews we know instinctively that "God" is within us and "God" is us. We are God and God is Me. God is not to be found on the streets or in a book, it is to be found within the Self. I am Jew: I am God.

I didn't see this until now.

As an Orthodox religiously educated Jew, I find your words above repugnant, if taken at face value.

Either clarify what you meant or quote some legitimate references.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by klc
I have seen statistical evidence that all Cohen's are related

Fine. I even brought a link (one of many) as a sample reference.

and there is a DNA strain that's is a marker of full-blood Jews and people born to Jewish mothers; unfortunately I do not have the links available (on my other PC and I deleted system32.. oops!)[/B]

Why don't you search for it on the WEB and post the links back here.

[christian]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
One day we will unite like in the past, a field a force of 400 million warriors to crush you like we should have those centuries ago. Our weakness coincided with our disunity and that is a matter of time before we scale up our Arabian Peninsula lands to swallow an illegitimate state of wall dwellers.

The age of Christendom ended in 1453, post that it was nationalistic empires in the west. France fought many christian armies, as did UK, ect. The days of a united Christen empire were gloriously ended by Sultan Mehmet al Fatih, in 1453.

The world shall come under our rule again.

MUSLIM 4 Israel

This shows how the average muslim think.
How the f*** you call your relgion is a peace religion? When you are starting a conquest?

[christian]

[[B]QUOTE]Originally posted by klc
muslim4israel2

Racism has been pinned on you, you just don't want to admit it. Racism is prejudice - prejudice of believing that a particular person, due to his birth, is wrong. If someone was born a certain way - Jewish, for example - then believing that the individual is wrong for being Jewish, that is racism. That is what you and 99% of all muslims believe (christians too)

What's this

ok, whatever. I take it you're in the UK, let's meet up homeboy and show each other who's boss.. I don't fancy your chances hickery bub, Asians like yourself are of a slight frame and of slight mind. You can't even spell properly! Contrast that to someone like me - a 6'2, 16-stone intellectual Jew. Put simply, your verbal and physical dexterity can only falter under self-induced morbousity; you have neither the intelligence nor desire to promulgate; your arguments are entirely false; you're a denigrator. I would destroy you and Mohammed in a blink of an eye but I believe you have a right to exist.

Please don't refer to all the asians. Many japanese , chinese and korea are secular pro-christian.
Especially, south korea is a secular pro-christian state .

[christian]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by klc
[B]I have seen statistical evidence that all Cohen's are related and there is a DNA strain that's is a marker of full-blood Jews and people born to Jewish mothers; unfortunately I do not have the links available (on my other PC and I deleted system32.. oops!)

I remember seeing something on National Geographic a few months back, about a tribe of black African Ethiopeans who claimed to be Jewish. When they had their DNA tested and compared to Cohen's DNA, which is about as pure as you can get, the same marker that can identify Jews even after dilution was found.

Common traits are found within DNA between everyone, of course, but there is one particular strand that defines a "Jew".

People are unwilling to admit to that for fear of 'branding' the Jews as a race of people and thus being forced to admit atrocitues up to and including genocide were commited on them. How many people refute the idea that the Holocaust even happened? How many people would wish to deny the Jews Israel because they claim Jews are not a race but instead a religious sect?

We are all Jewish and as such must enact our right to a secure and free homeland.




Yes. I admit the Jewish people is the smartest race in the world.
That is why people want to kill them, because of jeolousy.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by christian
I admit the Jewish people is the smartest race in the world.

As one of the targets of your kindly intended remarks, I have to tell you that I resent what you're saying.

There are hundreds of millions of intelligent people in the world of all shapes and sizes. I know of no monopoly of intelligence by Jews nor have I ever seen the scores of a world-wide IQ test that proves your point.

[christian]

I can write you all the names of jews who change the course of history in this world. They are the leaders. They shape the idea of modern world today.

look at this link. This is no BS.

http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/famstart.html

[Oh Jerusalem]

Karl Marx was a Jew and I was highly unimpressed about the fact.

Come to think of it, the same can be said for Shimon Peres.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by cerulean


People thinking they are gods is somewhat problematic I think. I am not sure I fully understand your philosophy in this respect. Of course there are major theological problems from a traditional standpoint, but from the practical point of view, numerous problems would arise if people thought they were gods and acted as such.

I'm not sure I'd say Jesus and Muhammed are the main stumbling blocks to world peace. They're long gone. It's what their followers are saying about them that has been and currently is problematic.

Here comes my ignorance. It has always been my understanding that Jesus has just returned home. I mean wasn’t he supposed to have been alive when he descended into the heavens. Catholics as I understand it sort of interchanges g-d with Jesus so in a way they are one and the same.

As far as Mohammed goes can you really say anyone is gone if their legacy still remains? I would certainly say that the two would most likely be remembered until the end.

As far as everyone being g-ds all I can say is to each his own. So if anyone wants to believe that Jews are all g-ds it doesn’t bother me.

[Shuki]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem


I didn't see this until now.



As an Orthodox religiously educated Jew, I find your words above repugnant, if taken at face value.

Either clarify what you meant or quote some legitimate references.

I have to agree with you, I do not support KLC's statement. From a personal standpoint I don't care what you believe, we are all equal, no person is better than another based upon religion only.

[L@mplighterM]

Yes. I admit the Jewish people is the smartest race in the world.
That is why people want to kill them, because of jeolousy.

Everything is relative and what does being smart mean?

Being smart sometimes doesn’t have a lasting effect.

Take for example the emergence of super bugs.

I think one could argue that the discovery of penicillin has benefited humanity perhaps more than anything else.

So one could certainly say that the discoverer was smart. Now humanity is facing a tremendous threat from bacteria that are anti-biotic resistant.

How will that play out? Who knows? It might turn out to be the worst discovery that man has ever made. At the time the discoverer was smart but what if it ends up costing more human lives in the end?

[Shuki]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem


Just curious. Are you Jewish (I assume yes by the name)? Orthodox?

Yep, I am MOT. I fell off of the derech a long time ago and haven't quite made it back. So I would not qualify myself as Orthodox- kind of somewhere betweeen Conservative and Frumland really.