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    L@mplighterM
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    Al-qa’ida: Islamic State Will Control The World

    The key ideologist of Al-Qa’ida, Lewis ‘Atiyyatullah (a pseudonym), has published an article in the Global Islamic Media Internet forum, in which he reveals Al-Qa’ida’s perception of the international balance of power at present and in the future. ‘Atiyyatullah sees the future very clearly: the balance of power will change; the international system built-up by the West since the Treaty of Westphalia will collapse; and a new international system will rise under the leadership of a mighty Islamic state.

    And all of that will occur within a few years -- maybe a few decades.

    The article is called, “So Said Al-Qa’ida: A Letter to Reuven Paz.” Dr. Paz is an Israeli scholar who heads the Project for the Research of Islamist Movements – PRISM. “I wrote you this open letter because you were one of the first of those who showed interest in Osama Bin Laden’s old article entitled ‘The New International Regime’…and you advocated that those in the U.S. and Europe interested in Al-Qa’ida must read the article seriously…” explained ‘Atiyyatullah.


    Wake up and smell the coffee

    The top ideologist writes that contrary to common sense and the situation on the ground, both the West and the Muslim world do not perceive the change that has already occurred. According to ‘Atiyyatullah, there were two kinds of responses to Al-Qa’ida’s writings in the past. The first, from Westerners who completely ignored the writings of Al-Qa’ida’s great thinkers and strategists. They branded those writings as naïve attempts to present Al-Qa’ida in an unrealistic manner. They referred to Al-Qa’ida’s activities as mindless terror.

    The second kind of response, says ‘Atiyyatullah, was that of Muslim thinkers. They saw those writings as fictitious, or as wishful thinking. “They mocked us and said: ‘They [the Americans] toppled Taliban and forced Bin Laden to seek refuge in a cave.’” ‘Atiyyatullah responds to this saying, “Al-Qa’ida does not wage wars similar to other wars…Al-Qa’ida is completely willing to sustain the war for many years…The war will be won by the side which will be able to bear the pain longer.”

    ‘Atiyyatullah finds it difficult to understand how it is that the West has not yet admitted its defeat. His explanation and analysis is as follows: The West suffers from a grave problem. This problem originates from its long-time superiority in many domains including army, politics, intelligence, and economics. This superiority, says ‘Atiyyatullah, made the West think all the rest were inferior, stupid. That is why the West is now suffering from cultural and strategic confusion. That is also why it cannot admit to its defeat, and persists in seeing it as a mere security problem, which can be solved by international cooperation.

    The West will eventually realize its mistake, but it will be to late, says the ideologist. “The West will not understand that its dominance is effectively defeated, until the U.S. will suffer a second attack.” Only then will the Muslim people also understand that they have the capability to win over the West, says ‘Atiyyatullah.


    Al-Qa’ida – one beast, many heads

    ‘Atiyyatullah, the ideologist, sees great importance in Al-Qa’ida’s modus operandus, which does not rely on one leader. He explains that the arrest of one leader does not mean activities cease. “Each activist in Al-Qa’ida is trained in a manner that will allow him to become a leader once another leader falls.” ‘Atiyyatullah warns that the day will come when analysts will talk of the rise of the third generation of Al-Qa’ida. “This generation will be hard to deal with as it will be unknown to most of the Arab and international intelligence organizations.”

    Rumsfeld the clown, Bush the stupid

    The entire article is characterized with contempt for the U.S. and the West, accusing it of not understanding – or refusing to admit – their defeat. “Al-Qa’ida won its greatest victory after 9/11, when it succeeded in isolating the U.S. from the rest of the world. The U.S. has become similar to a scab-ridden dog which everyone tries to avoid, and Rumsfeld turned into a clown in the eyes of the world, when he said the war on Iraq is ‘a good thing’.”

    And as for President Bush, Al-Qa’ida turns out to be his biggest fan. It even hopes Bush wins the next election. Why? “We hope Bush stays in power, as he is our favorite enemy…Osama Bin Laden once said: ‘Thank God for providing us with such a stupid enemy’.”

    Our goal – world dominance

    And with such enemies, Al-Qa’da’s principal ideologist anticipates no major obstacles in the way of the organization to achieving its strategic aims: breaking the existing world order, uprooting Western dominance in the world and bringing the Muslim world to its natural position as the world’s leading power.


    Reuven Paz responds

    A few days after this letter to Dr. Paz was submitted, he responded with his own open letter addressed to ‘Atiyyatullah.

    His letter was republished in many Islamic forums. Paz asked him “Does Al-Qa’ida support your analysis?...I picture in my mind the image of Osama [Bin Laden], sitting in one of his caves holding your article which was addressed to an Israeli Jew, and reading it thoroughly. He must have smiled and said to one of his aides, ‘[B]rother Lewis is wearing me out…he promised in our name that America will soon find itself out of the political scene.’

    Paz ended his short letter with this remark: “It seems you mix reality with fiction.”

    Will the Israeli scholar and the Al-Qa’ida thinker continue their published correspondence with one another through the internet? The Media Line will follow this story as it develops.

    http://www.themedialine.org/news/new...sp?NewsID=5420

    I think that Islam has a fair chance of controlling the world half a century down the road. There’s no question in my mind that some EU state will elect an Islamic government it’s just a mater of when. Israel is also a ticking time bomb and slowly but surely it’s increasing its Arab population perhaps it’ll be the first casualty of Islam.

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    andak01
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    And some people believe in the Easter Bunny.

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    Oh Jerusalem
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    Originally posted by andak01
    And some people believe in the Easter Bunny.
    Most of the people I've met who believe in the Easter Bunny are under the age of 10 and act it.

    Most of the people I read about and see on TV that ascribe to the ideology presented above have beards, shout "G-d is great" all the time, often carry weapons and are applauded by the masses of their countrymen.

    Can you spot the difference? Apparently not.

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    andak01
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    So you believe that the world is going to fall to Islamist extremists??? I'm sure Lamplighter does. He has said as much several times.

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    Ahava
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    Originally posted by andak01
    So you believe that the world is going to fall to Islamist extremists??? I'm sure Lamplighter does. He has said as much several times.
    Well it's more likely than the resurrection of the Easter Bunny.

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    Oh Jerusalem
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    Originally posted by andak01
    So you believe that the world is going to fall to Islamist extremists??? I'm sure Lamplighter does. He has said as much several times.
    No but I believe that a lot of innocent people will die and suffer greatly in these Islamists attempts to do so.

    Imsh'Allah, your co-religionists will be defeated. That seems to be your wish, too, as I now understand you.

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    ibrodsky
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    Originally posted by andak01
    So you believe that the world is going to fall to Islamist extremists??? I'm sure Lamplighter does. He has said as much several times.
    Not if we crush them first.

    But that requires massive military action against hostile Arab/Muslim regimes and areas. And it requires showing the rest of the West how to deal with the Islamist fifth column. We can start by rounding up and imprisoning the leaders of several pro-terrorist, anti-Western Muslim groups in the US--particularly CAIR.

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    TheyAre
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    The problem I have with the War on Terror is that it is succeeding in crippling Islamic terrorism - but it does nothing about the root cause, which is the repressive nature of Arab-Islamic society.

    The West needs a wakeup call, and, unfortunately (or fortunately when one thinks of the lives lost), that wakeup call is never going to come. It will never take anything less than a nuclear warhead going off in Paris or London or New York City or Washington D.C. or Berlin or wherever to wake us here in the West up.

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    No but I believe that a lot of innocent people will die and suffer greatly in these Islamists attempts to do so.

    No, I don't believe they will "take over the world" either but you cannot sit idly by and allow these fanatics to continue causing havoc wherever they seemingly are located around the world.


    I have very little interest in dealing with them legally and would prefer every last one of the leadership in every and all country's wind up with a simple bullet to the head.

    Remove the leaders and the followers will toe the line, and then, any moderate Muslims throughout the West can go on about their lives here without a cultish influence raging at them daily.
    Then if any here don't like it, I wouldn't have any qualms about them leaving either.

    Any that don't and just wish to get along like the rest of us, fine, I haven't any problems with them if so.


    Most importantly I feel we really do need to find some sort of alternative to the oil dependency we now have.

    Realizing this is still impossible, I am all for dumping all 4x4's and buying a Smart Car if that will help decrease our need slowly and then follow in other area's. And I say this as someone who has always driven gas guzzling large luxury automobiles until recently.

    Article about the Smart Car


    Photo of SMART CAR

    In Europe, where the cost of parking is exorbitant, gasoline is precious and congestion is prohibitive, I'd like to drive a Smart. It's the four-wheeled equivalent of a scooter, which I've often touted in this space as the future of urban transportation for its simplicity and intelligence.


    They want to create havoc?
    Fine, lets do whatever is possible to decrease the money they invariably make from us.


    There MUST be an acceptable alternative to oil, somewhere......?


    The West needs a wakeup call, and, unfortunately (or fortunately when one thinks of the lives lost), that wakeup call is never going to come. It will never take anything less than a nuclear warhead going off in Paris or London or New York City or Washington D.C. or Berlin or wherever to wake us here in the West up.

    Unfortunately I agree wholeheartedly with this but in the next breath, dread the day this could and most likely will take place!

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    David_in_NYC
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    Originally posted by Kev
    They want to create havoc?
    Fine, lets do whatever is possible to decrease the money they invariably make from us.


    There MUST be an acceptable alternative to oil, somewhere......?
    Actually, there is an acceptable alternative to our current arrangement, which is historically unique. In the past, a stronger power that wanted resources from a weaker one either conquered the weaker one and took it, or accepted those resources as tribute for forbearance.

    In this case, the historical abberration is that we actually pay these countries for oil resources that we could quite simply take from them by force, and without all that much trouble.

    So the answer may very well be to take what we want without paying for it, so that they cannot use that money to attack us. In the meantime, we can work on a way of loosening the economic dependence on oil.

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    Alfred
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    Originally posted by TheyAre
    The problem I have with the War on Terror is that it is succeeding in crippling Islamic terrorism - but it does nothing about the root cause, which is the repressive nature of Arab-Islamic society.
    I don't know if one CAN change the root cause; short of a Noah solution.

    When someone is trying to shoot you, you shoot first to live. The problem we face is that you cannot tell the bad apples amongst the good apples....with the exception of bombing Afghanistan and taking out their known lairs. They use our morality against us...hiding behind women and children some of the time.

    But I agree with you that if you COULD change the repressive nature of Arab Islamic society that would be nice. We are seeing in Iraq that it is not an easy task. And frankly, I don't think it is worth one American soldiers life to try. Arab/Islamic culture is not like a repressed Soviet populace waiting to be free. I have given up on that idea.

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    L@mplighterM
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    Originally posted by andak01
    So you believe that the world is going to fall to Islamist extremists??? I'm sure Lamplighter does. He has said as much several times.
    Most people didn’t believe that Hitler would kill 6,000,000 Jews and 5,000,000 Gentiles, but he did. I think Hitler would have killed every Jew on this planet if he hadn’t been defeated.

    I’m certain that Islam would celebrate if all Jews were slaughtered, there’s no doubt in my mind. No Islamic tears would fall if Islamic terrorism managed to destroy the US.

    Islam won’t conquer the world tomorrow because all the cards aren’t in place yet, but the day is coming when it’ll be a real possibility. Infiltrations of the armed forces have already taken place, we don’t know to what extent.

    Politicians that are willing to combat Islam are finding themselves in deep water with their popularity falling. It’s just a matter of time before a western state elects a government dominated by Muslims, granted it’s a slow process but the direction is there.

    We have the option to hope that Islam will mellow and become civilized to the point where they don’t overwhelmingly support killing toddlers in self-defense. I’m not willing to wait for Muslims/Islam to change; I favor destroying Islam while we’re strong.

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    What's patently true is that the political culture of the west has drifted to the point where terrorism raises no specific ire anymore. At least not in Europe where the response appears to be to hold an election, clap their hands and go home. It's also obvious that politically the west generally including the US seems capable of fighting to the last Jew. So will the west fall to extremist Islamic fundamentalism? At what point does the lobster know it's boiling?

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    Oh Jerusalem
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    Originally posted by Kev
    There MUST be an acceptable alternative to oil, somewhere......?
    Sweet revenge.

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    Binyamin
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    Sweet revenge.
    And the muslims won't be able to use it, because they would be barred from paradise.

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