France's Le Pen Effect

[Mediocrates]

Takeo I'm wondering how you feel about Le Pen:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...ID=0&listSrc=Y


the common consensus seems to be "if it weren't for the anti Semitism he's really a rather nice guy.."

[takeo]

thank you for the article, very interesting.

""I'm talking about the government and the French intelligentsia, too. The government would have preferred not to take a stand, but the constant presence of the Israeli-Arab conflict on our television screens made it an issue that could no longer be avoided. The result is that you are now experiencing what we experienced in the war in Algeria: The Israeli government says that it is a victim of terrorist activity, but this activity is less visible than the military strikes. I belonged to the 10th paratroop division that was ordered to destroy the terror in Algiers. This was after a series of terror attacks against civilians in public centers. The division did wipe out terror, and it didn't do this by being gentle with the terrorists. A war on terror is a brutal thing."

Is this a quote from lomplighter, negev, or oh jerusalem?
No! it's a quote from le Pen... the same person who considers the genocide to be a detail in the history of WWII and has special admiration for the Vichy-regime... but shares your hate against the Arabs and considers that the Arabs, in Algeria or in Palestine, are sub-humans that should be colonised.

[takeo]

"The suffering caused by the terrorists is the real torture. The struggle against terrorists sometimes requires secrecy and it has its own rules. The enemy must not be allowed the advantage that permits him to plant bombs when and where he wants. In this struggle, everyone must carry his own burden."

another quote from Le Pen... make your own conclusions...

How i feel about Le Pen?
I think that's a stupid question
the same way that i think about Sharon, a war-criminal and a fascist and a danger for our country.

[Mediocrates]

odd - that. a centrist position from an extremist..

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by takeo
thank you for the article, very interesting.

Is this a quote from lomplighter, negev, or oh jerusalem?
No! it's a quote from le Pen... the same person who considers the genocide to be a detail in the history of WWII and has special admiration for the Vichy-regime... but shares your hate against the Arabs and considers that the Arabs, in Algeria or in Palestine, are sub-humans that should be colonised.

I think La Pen has the right idea and I?m happy you?re shaking in your boots. I certainly don?t approve of some of his past statements but he claims to be anti-Semitic at least right now.

It?s a catch 22 type of a situation isn?t it? I certainly believe that it has given the Arabs something to think about. I would rather have someone that doesn?t have a darkened past but if it helps the French Jews so be it.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by takeo
Lomplighter i guess we should declare jiang Zemin a terrorist too and bulldozer mainland China... (just a little warning that the PRC will be tougher than the PA)
By the way, Jean-Marie Le Pen has won the presidential elections in France, this guy loves Sharon(well some of his friends have some difficulties loving Jews, even fascist Jews) and hates Arabs so this is good news for Israel. sharon, Bush, berlusconi and Le Pen, it seems extreme right-wing extremists will run the planet for some time.

It?s amazing how a Marxist Leninist posing as a Christian manages to change a thread. I just gave an opinion based on the Taiwanese people I?ve talked to if you?ve talked to others that have different opinions good for you.

[Mediocrates]

please move your right pinky up one row on the keyboard.

[takeo]

wow what do we have here, a declaration of love from lomplighter to Le Pen!
All Arab-haters, right-wing extremists and fascists in the world, unite!
ps: I'm not Christian and I've never met someone from Taiwan

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by takeo
wow what do we have here, a declaration of love from lomplighter to Le Pen!
All Arab-haters, right-wing extremists and fascists in the world, unite!
ps: I'm not Christian and I've never met someone from Taiwan

Love you got to be kidding. The danes are allready half way there it's an awakening to the evils of Islamic Fundamendalism.

[takeo]

OK, let's say love in a strictly political sence... (i hope...)
the Danes are half-way of what? of imposing their own le Pen?

[L@mplighterM]

of imposing their own le Pen?

You said it !

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
Is this a quote from lomplighter, negev, or oh jerusalem?
No! it's a quote from le Pen... the same person who considers the genocide to be a detail in the history of WWII and has special admiration for the Vichy-regime... but shares your hate against the Arabs and considers that the Arabs, in Algeria or in Palestine, are sub-humans that should be colonised.

Yes, you would like to paint those in this forum who disagree with your POV as being supremicist racists who hate Arabs, but it's really not so.

Where have you seen those members write anything like what you claim?

[takeo]

i have heard them make statements about Arabs that are downright racist, especially some months ago, now lomplighter seems a little bit more diplomatic...
And they made statements as if all Arabs are terrorists (as Le pen states too) and don't deserve to have an own state.

[takeo]

at one occasion lomplighter or negev said that
Arabs are animals... and that they are more savage than Jews

[NewsGuy]

Yep, this is a long post. If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, just scroll to the bottom to see my bottom line, if you care to read it altogether.


Regarding the broad support of the French for Le Pen, we are seeing a very interesting phenomenon, from the point of view of an outsider to French society.

As background, I have always been dismayed at the enormous amount of French anti-Semitism, general racism and xenophobia.

Throughout history, this is a country which has brought the world Imperialistic slaughters of perhaps hundreds of thousands of native inhabitants in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, the Caribbeans, Europe, the Americas, and the list goes on.

As you may recall, class discrimination and the corrupt monarchy in France finally culminated in France's social engineering "invention" known as the Guillotine.

France's later social milestones include the Dreyfus trial, the Vichy nazi-collaborator regime and a plethora of anti-Semitic activity till this very day.

In any event, France has ironically been rewarded for its extensive history of colonialism and genocide by the very same native people which were hurt so badly by France,moving into France by the millions and imposing their own political agenda on French society.

Ironically, it can be said at this point, that France has become an Middle Eastern colony itself, with more than 15% of its population now being Arab and plenty more descending from other former French colonies. Unfortunately for France, instead of being enriched by a pluralistic society, it has chosen to take on the very worst aspects of its special interest groups and has adopted a political hypocrisy which undermines what little moral integrity the country has left.

Too bad a country like France, which has also made considerable contributions to humanity and is also home to many fine people, is eclipsed by a morally dubious government.

Jean-Marie Le Pen, the extremist right-wing spokesman for French Xenophobia is a product of a large part of French society resisting a cultural takeover by immigrants, instead of trying to implement the melting-pot or mosaic models employed in the US.

Adding to Le Pen's popularity is the fact that there has been a significant rise in violent crime, which has been attributed by the French police to a criminal surge in immigrant segments of society. Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin who ran against Le Pen, did not put crime at the top of his campaign agenda, and this apparently cost him many votes.

Here are two noteworthy thoughts about Le Pen:

1. Not that Le Pen, a known anti-Semite would really care, but it so happens that part of the rise in crime from French immigrants is the Arab violence against French Jews and Jewish institutions.

2. In his younger days, Le Pen served in the French Foreign Legion, where he was active in a unit focused on eradicating Islamic terrorism in Algeria. Therefore, he shows an understanding of Israel's war on Palestinian terrorism.

These two facts actually bring Le Pen into a positive sphere, from my POV, but these facts also pale in comparison with Le Pen's true anti-Semitic beliefs as a Holocaust denier.

France, and indeed, all of Europe seems to be shocked time and time again when fascist or racist political candidates win broad support. The last European "shock" happened in Austria, which first elected former Nazi SS trooper Kurt Waldheim and more recently elected Jörg Haider to join its government. Now comes Le Pen, showing that Europe is much closer to the way it was just 70 years ago.

Although France and Europe now pretend that they are shocked at Le Pen's election success, it is clearly due to the EU's hypocritical and possibly racist anti-Israel policies, in which the EU (led by France) has shown a strong support for groups like Hizbullah, and countries like Iran. At the same time, European and especially French politicians have made anti-Semitic remarks and have gotten away with it. Not only did these French policies of tolerance of anti-Semitism directly encourage anti-Semitic violence, but they also signalled to the French people that racism is a form of legitimate politics in France.

The results is Jean-Marie Le Pen, the public face of French racism and xenophobia.

Ultimately, I think that Le Pen will lose the run-off against incumbent Jacques Chirac, but I hope that seeing the obvious degree of popular French racism, the French people will reevaluate their openly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel policies.