Water in the Middle East

[danholo]

Yes. This is what I have been explained by people at PoliticsForum.com and, at this stage, I have no resources to actually prove that their arguments are false.

I said that "Israel uses more water than Palestinians because it's an industrial society" and the answer:

When Israel gives native Palestinians less water than Jewish immigrants, they are inhibiting Palestinian economic growth. The more water you have in a desert, the more productive you can be. Water is the most important thing for prosperity in a desert.

So don't give me this bullsht. Israel should not, if it was a just western nation, build modern colonies in a land where there is a shortage of water and the natives receive very little water because of an overall shortage in a desert. Israel SHOULD NOT build colonies and give these colonies modern amounts of water when the natives are being given less than what they need for economic success.

Israel practices Apartheid. Israel doesn't care about the people it is hurting.

He makes a point. I'm dumbfounded. The water issue is one of the core problems.

And I've tried to use sources from Palestinefacts.org, Camera etc...

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by danholo
Yes. This is what I have been explained by people at PoliticsForum.com and, at this stage, I have no resources to actually prove that their arguments are false.

I said that "Israel uses more water than Palestinians because it's an industrial society" and the answer:



He makes a point. I'm dumbfounded. The water issue is one of the core problems.

And I've tried to use sources from Palestinefacts.org, Camera etc...

Jews are not immigrants, but natives. Israel is our land, not Arabs. We have a right to live here, not Arabs. Arabs are immigrants, because they the land was empty before Jews arrived here. Jews made jobs and provided asylum from Arab tribal persecutions within Arab countries. Till to this day, many Arabs speak Arabic in either Jordenian, Syrian or Egyption accent. There are Arabs in Israel with clear racial decent from Sudan and south Egypt. Their are black. Nobians are immigrants, not natives.
Arafat, BTW, speaks in Egyption accent.

Arabs use less water then us Jews, because of their own bad menagement of water, money and time, as well as the fact they need less water, then us, Jews.

Israel is not Aparthide, because Jews and Arabs live togather. Where-as in the PA, a Jew will get lynched on the spot, has happened before, several times over. This is aparthide and racism. In israel, arabs got more rights then Jews, in Israel. First, they pay less taxes, and do not serve in the Army.

Few facts about water and the region, you have to take into account:

0. The greatest economic problem of Arabs spacificly, and third world in general, is population explosion. An Arab may have as many as 50-120 children from several wives. more then half of the world Arab population is under 16. Arabs are the youngest population of the world (in avarge).

For some people it may be news, but babies are not brought in by storks with US-mail hats and coats. (although I would never underestimate the contribution of the mailmen and milkmen to demography). Babies are the result of free choise of both men and women (and in Arab case, mostly men). Being unable to financialy secure so many children is THEIR responsibility. Had it been our responsibility, they were all got castrated.

1. Israel is not a desert, only half of it, the Negev. Most of the desert residents of the Negev are Jews. About half a millions, with over 200 thousands living in Be'er-Sheva alone.

2. Arabs are not living in a desert. We have snowing mountains, rivers and forests and swamps. A desert doesn't have any forests, and there are no desert swamps. sorry...

3. Arabs live on river banks of the Nile, Tiger and Euphrates, And near Oasises in Saudia and Jorden. No one lives in a desert. (migrate through it, yes, but not living in one).

4. Arabs have all the money and oil in the world. And lots of sun, as well. They can destill water. Only their leaders don't care.

5. Since the Oslo "peace" process, Arabs make their own rules, and got their own money. And they get huge economic aid from Europe. It's their problem they use the money to finance anti semetic propaganda and terrorism, instead investing the money in producing more water.

6. Arabs make lots of use from rain water, which are not registered.

7. Arabs do not use industrial agricultural methods and usually do not grow water demanding product, but family farming agricultural methods: growing crops in relativly very small fields. Some of them are a little larger then your own back yard. These things do not need alot of water.

8. you don't water olive trees. Israel is a great producer of high quality oilves, for millenias. Both Jews and Arabs grow olives.

9. Sheeps do not need alot of water. Some portion of Arab agriculture is sheepherding.

10. Jews grow mostly cows, in giant cow sheds. Cows consume alot of water.

11. Arabs import most of their food, including sheep from australia. Israel banned the importing of these sheep due to extrem aniaml right violation, torture and mal handling of sheeps, while shipping and unloading them on their way from Australia, which produced much of the food consumed all over the ME, out side Israel. Unlike anyone else, the Arabs insist on having these sheep alive, while anybody else, have his meat cut cleaned and delivered frozen accross the sea.

12. Rich Arabs, high level PLO brass, got sweeming-pools in their villas. They don't realy have a need for water.

13. Arabs are involved in masive scale water theft, from us, Jews. The goverment is overlooking this phenomena and putting the bill on tax paying Israelis.

14. Water is a problem all over the middle east, not because the lack of it, but because of mismenagement of it. Yet, Israel has sustained peace with several Arabs countires. If water were a problem, Europe would have suffer far more then Israel, and there was no peace with Israel.

Unlike Africa, sustained economic growth is not dependent on food production. We import much of our food. Arab economic growth is inhibited by terrorism and lack of education. Arabs are living from donations for decades, they shed away all responsibility for their own economic state. Jewish economic growth and the Jewish wealth is dependent mostly on industry and services, not agriculture.

The so called "collonies" are not in a desert. There is a large desert in Judea, but hardly anyone lives there. If any, these are Jews, not Arabs. Sumeria, is not a desert, period.

[eyl]

Has your corrospondent shown that the water share Palestinians get is "than what they need for economic success. "? If he hasn't, than all he's established is the claim that Israelis use more water per person than Palestinians, which is meaningless in itself.

Originally posted by danholo
Yes. This is what I have been explained by people at PoliticsForum.com and, at this stage, I have no resources to actually prove that their arguments are false.

I said that "Israel uses more water than Palestinians because it's an industrial society" and the answer:

When Israel gives native Palestinians less water than Jewish immigrants, they are inhibiting Palestinian economic growth. The more water you have in a desert, the more productive you can be. Water is the most important thing for prosperity in a desert.

So don't give me this bullsht. Israel should not, if it was a just western nation, build modern colonies in a land where there is a shortage of water and the natives receive very little water because of an overall shortage in a desert. Israel SHOULD NOT build colonies and give these colonies modern amounts of water when the natives are being given less than what they need for economic success.

Israel practices Apartheid. Israel doesn't care about the people it is hurting.

He makes a point. I'm dumbfounded. The water issue is one of the core problems.

And I've tried to use sources from Palestinefacts.org, Camera etc...

[danholo]

The thread can be found here:

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/v...=9080&start=50

[danholo]

trainspotter9:

You explained they had "self-rule" in the context that Israel is not practicing apartheid since the Palestinians are not ruled by Israel. I explained that since Israel does rule Palestinians to an extent and since Israel does control who gets the resources of that region, Israel IS practicing apartheid since it gives its colonists more water from Palestinian water sources than it gives to native Palestinians.

I need help here. What am I to say?

I've been so long in the army I've lost my "skillz".

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by danholo
I need help here. What am I to say?

I've been so long in the army I've lost my "skillz".

He shouldn't worry to much. Arabs steal all the water they can't pay for. There is a fix cost of water, for Jews or Arabs.

Water is a stratigic resource. It the Hizballa will drain to much water from streams and rivers on their territory, we have a legal right to attack them. So "occupation" has nothing to do with it.

Arabs got all the water they need. They need less water then we Jews.

Arabs water problem is poor menagement and population explosion. If he want to help, he sould pressure his own goverment to allow immigration of Arabs from Israel.

The water are not belong to Arabs on the first place.

How's that for an answer?

[NewsGuy]

FWIW, "Trainspotter" was banned from this forum a long time ago for being a virulent anti-Semite and racist who advocates the "right" of Muslims to mass-murder Jews.


Danholo,

As others have already said, water is very scarce in the Middle East in general, including in Israel, where the Lebanese up North are stealing Israel's water supply.

The reason that there is no agreement on the division of water resources is that, like other issues in the Middle East, the Palestinians have decided not to enter into any peaceful negotiations, because they are far too concerned with achieving their national dream of Jihad-genocide than they are about water or peace.

Still, this has no bearing on the concept of Apartheaid, which is the perpetual buzz-word of the terrorism supporters, who ironically themselves advocate nothing but full-scale Apartheid in the proposed Palestinian State. In their beloved racist Palestinian State, Jews will not be allowed to own land, or live at all, purely on the basis of religious and racial discrimination, and all Christians will be also forced into a sub-standard status known as Dhimmihood.

So people like Trainspotter and the terrorists he supports are themselves fighting for institutionalized Apartheid and Islamo-fascism while whining about issues like water.

[alexbmn]

WFT is this ? In my opinion Israel is completed retarted for supplying its hated enemies with even one milliliter.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by alexbmn
WFT is this ? In my opinion Israel is completed retarted for supplying its hated enemies with even one milliliter.

Although you are right, and Israel do not make full use of it's powers to end terrorism, which is a crime. The crime of stupidity and incompetence.

There are good reasons other the pure brotherly love for arabs, for us to supplay Arabs with water.

All underground water resuvare, call aquapres, are in constand danger of becoming salty, as a result of over exploitation. Arabs don't care about things like that. They already poision their (and ours) water with pollution. And it we will not supplay them with water, they will over exploit the water, and turn the aquapare salty and undrinkable.

All water resuvare are connected, linked togather. You can't seperate Arab's water with Israeli one, other then in fubar leftists minds.

[Batman]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Although you are right, and Israel do not make full use of it's powers to end terrorism, which is a crime. The crime of stupidity and incompetence.

There are good reasons other the pure brotherly love for arabs, for us to supplay Arabs with water.

All underground water resuvare, call aquapres, are in constand danger of becoming salty, as a result of over exploitation. Arabs don't care about things like that. They already poision their (and ours) water with pollution. And it we will not supplay them with water, they will over exploit the water, and turn the aquapare salty and undrinkable.

All water resuvare are connected, linked togather. You can't seperate Arab's water with Israeli one, other then in fubar leftists minds.

You make excellent points.

THe Syrians are continually polluting the Kineret- The Sea of Galilee.