Are We On The Verge,in The Middle of or at The End Of World War III?

[Batman]

I heard a discussion on
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/me...x/israelnn.asx

wondering if we are in the middle of a World War?

One of the opinions said that one act can clearly show that we are in a World War and that is a Nuclear or Chemical attack by a large Moslem fundamentalist terror group. That would be the first stroke of WW3. The attempt in Jordan which didn't succeed would have killed 80,000 people.

The fundamentalist Islamists groups have shown a willingness to murder a massive amount of people.

We are traditionally used to see conventional countries enter into war. So there are no countries like in WW1 and WW2 at this time.

All the small pieces add together;

But every day there are other pieces of news, diplomatic acts of aggression, that lead us to wonder if Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia are not getting ready for war. And then there are the murders of innocents like the Chatuel mother. Tali and her 4 daughters and 1 unborn 8 months old,

The nation states that represent the fundamentalist Islam have not entered officially into the war.

The hosts debated the various possible starting points of WW3 and one may obviously be the attack on WTC at 9/11.

THE REASON FOR KNOWING THIS according to the hosts is in order to: KNOW THY ENEMY

Who are we fighting? the radical Moslems? the mainstream Moslems? The ARab Moslems?

It's not clear on WHO we are fighting and in order to fight a war one needs to clear it up.

The 2nd guy said: the Moslem street is in line with Islamic terror.

What do you think?
Is this World War III?

[OntheRight]

I believe we are in WWIII, although, I believe it started on 9/11/01. We have yet to see that catalyst which will bring other nations into it. You have to remember it was approx. 3 years before the US engaged in WWII. The muslims will attempt, and possilbly succeed at a major strike. When that happens other nations will be brought into the frey. Why do you think Qudafi capitulated? He knows what is about to happen and wants no part of an invasion by the west into Libya. Also keep a very close eye on Russia.

[Batman]

Originally posted by OntheRight
I believe we are in WWIII, although, I believe it started on 9/11/01. We have yet to see that catalyst which will bring other nations into it. You have to remember it was approx. 3 years before the US engaged in WWII. The muslims will attempt, and possilbly succeed at a major strike. When that happens other nations will be brought into the frey. Why do you think Qudafi capitulated? He knows what is about to happen and wants no part of an invasion by the west into Libya. Also keep a very close eye on Russia.

what about China?

I wonder about the various nations' possible positions if it becomes a situation where the war crystalizes into clear national sidings. However, it's also possible that it will never crystalize and nations will play a hand at fooling other nations??

is that possible?

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Batman
what about China?

I wonder about the various nations' possible positions if it becomes a situation where the war crystalizes into clear national sidings. However, it's also possible that it will never crystalize and nations will play a hand at fooling other nations??

is that possible?

Yes, keep an eye on Russia is important, though, as Batman asked, ‘What about China?’… I heard through the grapevine, that China is stockpiling steel and other metals; apparently, some of the US automobile manufacturers are having difficulty meeting their production objectives.
Perhaps, I’m paranoid, but I strongly feel, as well as Islamo-Fascism, there are many countries working in tandem, towards the destruction of the US, and Israel.
These countries aren’t solely Islamic States, but democratic states, our supposed allies. There intention is the out-and-out destruction of Israel and the US.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Beginning.

[MGB8]

We are in the early stages of WW4! Not 3, which was the cold war.

WW4 has its roots in WW2...with the Nazi relationship to the Arabs. WW3 also contributed to the eventual primacy of this WW, as the soviets replaced the Nazi's as the supporters of Arab imperialism.

But, make no mistake, this war did not begin in 9/11. Lebanon in the 80s, Hijackings, the Iranian hostages, the USS Cole, the WTC in 1993, even the OPEC embargo.. etc. etc. etc. ... this war has been ongoing, IMO, since maybe the mid 60's - it just was hard to separate it then from the Cold war, since we viewed the Arabs as a sort of satalite of the Soviets. To a large extent we were wrong.

[Acheron]

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I recently stumbled upon the following article. The title sounds like Huntingdon's book, but it's written by different person.


The writer claims we are in the midst of "The Third Great Jihad".




The Clash Of Civilizations And The Great Caliphate


By Larry Abraham



http://www.insiderreport.net/clash_1-2.html




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[Isiah 2:4]

If this is WW3 it began long ago...

It has its roots in colonial and imperialist bunglings (i.e creating nation-states that had never existed before, thereby amplifying tribal and relgious disputes). The Iran-Iraq war, the Arab-Israeli conflict, The Indian-Pakistan conflict and the Cold war have both fuelled and contributed to it. Western diplomatic/political malpractice and short-sightedness has been impotent in stemming its reach and effect on many many countries and peoples of the world. Hypocrisy, double-dealings and divided approaches by powerful nations when dealing with geo-Politics has also caused the 'war' to be elongated.

It became an international terrorist Jihad in Tehran, Iran, 1979. It has grown steadily into a more religious/ideological war, rather than a political one. For the religious element not to get stronger there will have to huge reform withing Islam, and that can only come from within.

It will not end unless the social and political situation in Muslim countries or immigrant communities in Europe gets better, somehow . It will not end unless the Democratic nations of the world deal with the problem quick enough. It will not end if our response appears to be weak, unsure, unstable and divided.

If a bio/chemical attack occurs in Europe or the USA, i can guarantee you the war will come to the streets of our cities, worldwide, in the form of social unrest, chaos and hatred (from both sides).

In fact, it will probably have no definitive end because it had no definitive beginning. It is an unconventional war. Until the Oil of the Middle east dries up, don't expect anymore a bold reaction than we have already had from Europe or the USA. And by that time comes, China and the Far East will be an even greater threat to international security. Don't expect a quick fix, because the only quick fix there is, is to carpet bomb every Muslim capital on the planet. I sincerely mean it. We all know that thats not going to happen, and i don't particularly wish for it to happen either. But for now, sit back and blog your impotent little asses away on forums like this; its about the only thing you can do.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Isiah 2:4
If this is WW3 it began long ago...

It has its roots in colonial and imperialist bunglings (i.e creating nation-states that had never existed before, thereby amplifying tribal and relgious disputes). The Iran-Iraq war, the Arab-Israeli conflict, The Indian-Pakistan conflict and the Cold war have both fuelled and contributed to it. Western diplomatic/political malpractice and short-sightedness has been impotent in stemming its reach and effect on many many countries and peoples of the world. Hypocrisy, double-dealings and divided approaches by powerful nations when dealing with geo-Politics has also caused the 'war' to be elongated.

It became an international terrorist Jihad in Tehran, Iran, 1979. It has grown steadily into a more religious/ideological war, rather than a political one. For the religious element not to get stronger there will have to huge reform withing Islam, and that can only come from within.

Well articulated, Isiah 2:4, not much to add, but good post.

It will not end unless the social and political situation in Muslim countries or immigrant communities in Europe gets better, somehow . It will not end unless the Democratic nations of the world deal with the problem quick enough. It will not end if our response appears to be weak, unsure, unstable and divided.

If a bio/chemical attack occurs in Europe or the USA, i can guarantee you the war will come to the streets of our cities, worldwide, in the form of social unrest, chaos and hatred (from both sides).

In fact, it will probably have no definitive end because it had no definitive beginning. It is an unconventional war. Until the Oil of the Middle east dries up, don't expect anymore a bold reaction than we have already had from Europe or the USA. And by that time comes, China and the Far East will be an even greater threat to international security. Don't expect a quick fix, because the only quick fix there is, is to carpet bomb every Muslim capital on the planet. I sincerely mean it. We all know that thats not going to happen, and i don't particularly wish for it to happen either. But for now, sit back and blog your impotent little asses away on forums like this; its about the only thing you can do.

[TheyAre]

We're in the middle of the Second Great War against fascism / totalitarianism.

The First Great War started in 1914 and ended in 1991. It, one after the other, destroyed monarchial totalitarianism, fascist totalitarianism (kind of redundant to say fascist totalitarianism), and communistic totalitarianism.

Today we are fighting against religious totatilitarianism. This war started on the 15th of May, 1948. It finally came home to the great Western democracies on the 11th of September, 2001. Just like "World War II" really started when Hitler marched into the Rhineland and showed he was more than willing to use force to achieve his aims in 1936. It didn't come home to France and Britain until the 1st of September, 1939, and didn't come home to the United States until December 7, 1941.

[David_in_NYC]

By my count this is World War IV, #3 being the Cold War. The historical record will probably pick November 1979 as the beginning of this one, and 9/11 as the day it became clear what it was.

[Binyamin]

Originally posted by TheyAre
We're in the middle of the Second Great War against fascism / totalitarianism.

The First Great War started in 1914 and ended in 1991. It, one after the other, destroyed monarchial totalitarianism, fascist totalitarianism (kind of redundant to say fascist totalitarianism), and communistic totalitarianism.

Why don't you start from 1776- the birth of the first country without a monarchy?
The wars between 1914 and 1991 weren't one long war, but a large, cohesive segment in the historical developement of the world. Now we are in a seperate stage, fighting against Islamic/arab inspirations. I would not say it is a war against religious fanaticism, because there is only one religion that we are dealing with now, and the problematic adherents are not necessarily fanatics, in the sense that they practice a very widespread and accepted interpretation of their religion, very arguably the correct version.

I say that this war (WWIV) has not started yet. We are at the stage corresponding to the occupation of the Rhinelnd and Studeten. The enemy is flexing his muscles and testing and defining his postition. When the war starts, sides will be clearly drawn (if not by the Arabs, then by the West).

The war is against the arab/Islam combination. Islam without the arabs (e.g. Turkey) is not a relevant threat. Arabs without Islam would be too divided and directionless to be a threat. Together, we have a culture that wants war, doesn't care about life, and has a religion to give it unity and inspiration. The war is against the uncivilized part of human civilization.

[TheyAre]

Why don't you start from 1776- the birth of the first country without a monarchy?

As I recall, there were several republics thousands of years before North America was even alluded to in myths by Europeans, most notably the republics of Athens and Rome. Oh, certainly, the United States is undoubtedly "freer" and a better democracy than they were, but the ideals of democracy and liberty did not suddenly burst onto the scene in 1776.

[Binyamin]

You're right, but those republics died out. The next two thousand years of Western civilization did not maintain their form of government. Current Western democracy began with the American Revolution, and that was an important change in the development of the Western world as it is now.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Binyamin
You're right, but those republics died out. The next two thousand years of Western civilization did not maintain their form of government. Current Western democracy began with the American Revolution, and that was an important change in the development of the Western world as it is now.

It is more correct to say that it began with Oliver Cromwells revolt in England 1649, many of his followers later founded the US and it's breed of Democracy and Christianity
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