How to Hate the French: A User's Guide

Luke90 · 12-19-2004, 01:00 PM

Xela - there're protesters all over the world holding up all sorts of banners, it doesn't really prove anything.

btw. What were the other pictures in the attachment boxes? I couldn't view them. Seems like an error on the site.

takeo · 12-19-2004, 01:18 PM

So what of France and its loyal and brave defence of Saddam
Hussein and his invasions, his mass-murder, his genocide?
Where has all that loyalty to a dictator gotten them in 2 years?

france was not loyal to Saddam, we participated in the first Gulf war remember, and we still support your war in Afghanistan. We are maybe foolish to still support this war, we should withdraw and totally review our alliances, instead of the us looking for friends in the east, Russia and China in special. The US needs to make a big gesture if not they'll loose their last allies. And France, on the contrary to Russia, China and brasil, still is a US-ally. But the us has confused friendship with subjugation, we are not the kind of people to accept us-dictates, especially based on obvious lies such as in Iraq.
IF France had been loyal to Saddam we would have disregarded the embargo as Iran, Russia and Syria did and provide him billions of the most advanced weapons. Perhaps we SHOULD have done this, since it would have given Iraq a fair chance to defend itself and would have prevented this invasion which costed over 100000 lifes and fueled extremism all over the muslim world.
You talk like someone who don't know anything about the world. Just visit egypt and talk to the people, if you find a single person supporting the us-invasion I'll give you a brand new car... you are always talking about democracy in the Arab world but if there would be really democracy you will be the biggest looser, since Arabs (ordinary Arabs, not their coward leaders) hate your guts (not ours) and will elect anti-American leaders, as they will do in Iraq as well. Your rethorics is so full of BS, for example claiming Iraq was part of the war against "islamofascism" while of course everyone including the us-senate knows Saddam was an ennemy of Al-Quaida and Iraq was one of the most secular countries in the arab world where religious minorities were protected. All this of course has come to an end, and yet one more country will soon be turned into an islamic republic. And they all owe it to G W BUSH, NOT France.... france is your scapegoat to conceal your own failures.

--Unemployment is at 10 percent and rising;

it has always been around 10%, in the us unemployment is rising more than in france, especially since G W took power.

--the national debt has doubled in eight years to
EUR 1,000 billion;

so what about the rise of the national debt and the deficit under Bush junior?

--the country has fallen to tenth position in the
European Union for income per head of population.

Still among the best of Europe. btw can you provide this statistics?

The German now concede that The UK is the leading power in
Europe, Shroeder's approval ratings is in the mid-twenties
while Tony Blair is set to win an unprecedented 3rd term.

Yet in GB around 80% of the people disapproved the war in Iraq including the majority of members of his own labor party. But in GB the problem is that the rightwing opposition party is even worse and certainly no alternative. But the leftwing maire of London who refused to meet bush and always criticised the war in Iraq is increasingly popular, and perhaps he'll succeed Blair.

--More than 20 percent of the French electorate say they
will vote for the Soviet-style Communist far-left;

Yep, they want a more equal society, unlike the us where child poverty is most widespread among western nations. In the US 50% voted for an exposed lier who sent 1000's of young Americans to die in the Iraqi desert. 50% voted for a government and party including rightwing christian fundamentalists who want to punish abortion with prison sentences and forbid the teaching of the evolution theory... 50% voted for a party wich mainly represents the interests of the weapons and petrol industry, and refusing to ratify treaties to protect world environment... 50% of Americans voted for a person who made the US a roughe internationally isolated country.

--More than 20 percent of the electorate say they may vote
for the intend to chose the xenophobic Le Pen far-right;

Le Pen, as much as I dislike this fascist, is not nearly as rightwing as many republicans in the us.

Chirac center-right government has to act like weasels because
its unable carry out any major structural reform all its done
was to tinker with the pension system.

our european system is superior and garantees a better life compared to the us where you have to pay an arm and a leg for virtually everything, where there's no job security, medicines, university tuitions are extremely expensive and where you have much less vacation and much longer days to work. We won't change this, any government changing this system is suicidal.

--Discounting clichÃ©-ridden one-offs like "AmÃ©lie Poulain," there
has not been a film of world significance for a quarter of a
century, and the same is true in literature and the visual arts.

you may jump to this conclusions because you don't read or speak French so how would you know? ever heard of Cannes festival? many french movies are garbages, but this equally is true for 95% of American movies. my preferate French movie is "baise-moi"...

--and lastly, France current and historic anti-semitism and
outright loathing of a "little sh|tty country" has cost it
$billions in foreign investement - it's price the France pays
for cuddling Islamo-Facists like Arafat and Saddam.

Hahahaha, ISRAEL is in a deep economic crisis, France is not. The US virtually is begging france to invest in Iraq and American investments have NOT been reduced, since american companies do not necessarily listen to the Bush-administration and continue to invest in france.

Xela · 12-19-2004, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Luke90

Xela - there're protesters all over the world holding up all sorts of banners, it doesn't really prove anything.

btw. What were the other pictures in the attachment boxes? I couldn't view them. Seems like an error on the site.

You are right. But the answer was for takeo and according for his way of thinking.

Probably you want to see the French army knife. Go to http://strategypage.com/humor/articl..._200411422.asp

The other picture is also for takeo's logic.

Xela · 12-19-2004, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by takeo

Hahahaha, ISRAEL is in a deep economic crisis, France is not. The US virtually is begging france to invest in Iraq and American investments have NOT been reduced, since american companies do not necessarily listen to the Bush-administration and continue to invest in france.

You cannot you see the crisis in France because you are in deep sh..
Regarding Israel don't worry! We are in crises for over 4000 years. And we continue to handle crises long time after many peoples finished their crises.

takeo · 12-19-2004, 01:58 PM

the economic growth has slowed down since 2000 as all over Europe but it's starting to grow again, France is still among the most competitive countries in Europe with an incredible living standard. Israel may survive, but its economic conditions and stability are not an example to France for sure...

KettleWhistle · 12-19-2004, 04:58 PM

Spoken like a true bus rider.

TDidier · 12-19-2004, 09:45 PM

I get the same, as for Xela's next link.

Originally Posted by Luke90

When I try to look at "French Army Knife.jpg" I get this error message:

Does anyone else get this or know why it happens?

(Maybe this should be in the problems with the site forum, but as it was specific to this thread I put it here)

goliath · 12-20-2004, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by takeo

You can continue writing your lies , but you will never get a big fish with that.
The all World economy is in deep trouble , except China ( for not long)

so what about the rise of the national debt and the deficit under Bush junior

?

What about the French public deficit :b euros 1240 ?
We needs 3 centuries to surface again.

Yet

in GB around 80% of the people disapproved the war in Iraq including the majority of members of his own labor party. But in GB the problem is that the rightwing opposition party is even worse and certainly no alternative. But the leftwing maire of London who refused to meet bush and always criticised the war in Iraq is increasingly popular, and perhaps he'll succeed Blair

.

This is little story for entertainment.

Yep, they want a more equal society, unlike the us where child poverty is most widespread among western nations. In the US 50% voted for an exposed lier who sent 1000's of young Americans to die in the Iraqi desert. 50% voted for a government and party including rightwing christian fundamentalists who want to punish abortion with prison sentences and forbid the teaching of the evolution theory... 50% voted for a party wich mainly represents the interests of the weapons and petrol industry, and refusing to ratify treaties to protect world environment... 50% of Americans voted for a person who made the US a roughe internationally isolated country

.

You should go with those marines and suffer like them , but in France you're in a safe place , and too kind for you.

Le Pen, as much as I dislike this fascist, is not nearly as rightwing as many republicans in the us.

Are you serious ? who do you wants to kidd with that , Le Pen is a Nazi ,he went last may ,to the Nazi congress ,and met his hungarian friend.

our european system is superior and garantees a better life compared to the us where you have to pay an arm and a leg for virtually everything, where there's no job security, medicines, university tuitions are extremely expensive and where you have much less vacation and much longer days to work. We won't change this, any government changing this system is suicidal

.

You're lying again ,our social security system is IN FAILURE ,because we have no Growth ,growth index is a negative one -0.6%.
Nobody needs to read French ,the index are public (and in France they don't give the real figures ,too scarry for the good people and voters.

Hahahaha, ISRAEL is in a deep economic crisis, France is not. The US virtually is begging france to invest in Iraq and American investments have NOT been reduced, since american companies do not necessarily listen to the Bush-administration and continue to invest in france.

France is in deep deep economic disaster , you can't fool me ,I'm French , all your pseudo info are a mental falsification it remaind a song that I now very well . unemployment in France is 9.9 % ,and the gov .is hiding in so call work-training ,and assisting m 2 people , a dream. and all your argument sound very familiar to me ,are you from the troll squad ? those who are yet disguise for new year's eve (Olluk the magnificent)

Luke90 · 12-20-2004, 04:48 AM

France's economy is certainly not doing brilliantly but I haven't seen any serious experts use words anywhere near as drastic as disaster.

Unemployment is high but as far as I can tell that's not a new or unexpected development.

The German now concede that The UK is the leading power in
Europe

If that's meant to be evidence of France's troubles it isn't very convincing.
1. It's a public opinion poll - the public aren't renowned for their economic expertise.
2. The results weren't exactly conclusive. Britain got 27%. France got 26%.
Admittedly Germany had gone down significantly, but France had actually increased a huge amount.

**Mediocrates** · 12-20-2004, 05:21 AM

The EU has approximately the same total GDP as the US but with 450 million people vs 290 million. So on average growth and percapita GDP is lower.

goliath · 12-20-2004, 05:42 AM

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Luke90

France's economy is certainly not doing brilliantly but I haven't seen any serious experts use words anywhere near as drastic as disaster.

Unemployment is high but as far as I can tell that's not a new or unexpected development.

If that's meant to be evidence of France's troubles it isn't very convincing

.

It's only your opinion ,my power of bying has decreased 35 % of in five years, get back!

1. It's a public opinion poll - the public aren't renowned for their economic expertise

.

Please show me the real figures and real stats.

2

. The results weren't exactly conclusive. Britain got 27%. France got 26%.
Admittedly Germany had gone down significantly, but France had actually increased a huge amount.

I'm not worrying for Britain ,they didn't get the Euro ,and they will soon get off EU ,it's clear as spring water in the himalaya moutains (before Chinese arriving )!

goliath · 12-20-2004, 05:47 AM

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QUOTE=Mediocrates]The EU has approximately the same total GDP as the US but with 450 million people vs 290 million. So on average growth and percapita GDP is lower

,

We will all be suffering about incomes and taxes , but is only money in US, France needs also more brain,we suffer a big lake of thinkers ,they all left France to Britain those days.

Illuminatus · 12-20-2004, 05:51 AM

The NY Times had this report earlier this month

[..In less than a decade, there has been a radical shift in France's
prison population, a shift that officials and experts say poses a
monumental challenge.

Despite making up only 10 percent of the population,

Muslims account for most of the country's inmates and a growing
percentage of the prison populations in many other European countries,
an indication of their place at the bottom of the Continent's hierarchy.

With radical strains of Islam percolating through Europe, authorities
are unsure how to address the spiritual needs of the prisoners while
guarding against the potentially toxic mix of extremist ideology and
a criminal past. One result is often neglect, which officials say
can be a still greater force for radicalization. ..]

Read the full article here:
http://www.natashatynes.com/newswire...in_jail_e.html

Indeed - looks like France has a problem, in about a month the IMF
will release the statistics of the ever decreasing investment flows
into France. There's a reason for it too.

also,

[..The greatest danger to the West from Islamist extremists is now
centred in Europe, not the Middle East, according to two experts...]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...12-2004_pg7_57

hmmmm.......

and now for a few choice quotes from takeo --> #32

--[.. france was not loyal to Saddam,.. ]

oh yeah?

--[And France, on the contrary to Russia, China and brasil,
still is a US-ally..]

Thanks to de Villipin - demoted to "Interior Minister" after Chirac
was trounced in last March elections - France is, as Chirac puts it
"a friend" - it is no longer an ally. Please let's not be delusional : )
"Friend" exchange embassies and are not at war. Allies are totally
different.

--[..You talk like someone who don't know anything about the world.
Just visit egypt and talk to the people...]

The question is not doing what the Arab street wants, its about doing
the right thing.

Here's what Saddamites and France has forgotten -- and what will always
remembered in the history books:

Their beloved Saddam in 1990, invaded a sovereign member of the United
Nations, it was forceably expelled, Iraq signed a cease fire in which
the key demand from the UNSC was to prove disarmament in six
months. 13 years later it still refused to prove disarmament,
and as a state sponsor of Islamo-Terrorism after Sept.11th - it was
given one chance. Iraq refused to prove disarmament once again
and today Saddam Hussein sits in a prison awaiting trial for geneocide.

France and Saddamites did all it could to keep Saddam Hussein in power
longer. Thus permanently damaging the United Nations credibility for
a generation -- much like the League of Nations in 1934.

For a nation pretty much defeated in WWI, conquered in WWII,
surrendering at Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam, defeated in Algeria, chased out
of most of Africa and currently having half its Ivory Coast in rebel hands:
France and takeo sure seems to enjoy lecturing the USA about "I told you
so" in Iraq.

The day France has a victory at anything, that'll be the day the rest
of the world will listen to its whine about Iraq.

France inherently supported Saddam Hussien. He and France are the historic
and isolated losers.

--[..our european system is superior..]

Everybody believes their own system is superior, Mexico, Ireland etc -
whatever is it, nothing new here - just don't forget that whatever system
exists, "Europe is superior" because you are under adult supervision the US
military.