How to Hate the French: A User's Guide

[goliath]

Here's the original link:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2250093

Thanks a lot ,I can't see any good news concerning poor France ,
our government is applying restriction on all the social sector which made the so good French social protection ,and it's just the beginning
.

We're unlikely to be leaving the EU any time soon.
Certainly not if Labour get a third term.

I fear for you that the third term in not for sure

[QUOTE]Which I based on several articles on the subject, none of which even came close to suggesting that France's economic situation was disastrous[/QUOTE

We are not talking about the same analyse , you can run a country with debt.

When Mitterand arrived the public debt was 21% of the GDP.

When he died the debt was 55 % of the GDP

And now it's 64% OF OUR GDP.

So, if France can find money and it able to pay the interest : b euro 64.
we can run inceasing our debt, but if we were not in the "euro" we should have three or for serious devaluation of our formal money FF.
We have the benefit of EU protection , in realty we are Argentina.

[Illuminatus]

[.. France can find money ..] ??

When they get their favorite mass-murderer, Saddam Hussein back in power

or

When they beg for more business investments from the USA.

[.. The French government is starting an ad campaign this week to
encourage American investors to do more business in France.

The challenges might seem daunting, particularly given the tensions
between the French and American governments over the war in Iraq...]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/...ess/franc.html

Ah yes, now call it the "New France" --> http://www.thenewfrance.com/

They're still part of Old Europe and what they do best is its historic
appeasement to dictators.

I've seen about 5 TV commercials from these losers in the past
month.

....."where the smart money goes" ....heh heh heh...

and who in his right mind wants to fed a begging weasel anyways?

[Xela]

Israel may survive, but its economic conditions and stability are not an example to France for sure...

You are perfectly right takeo. Israel is a very dynamic country and cannot be an example for France. But if you want to affect Israel's economy you can, for example, stop using computers. The Intel processors have Jewish brain inside! You can take a look at the biographies of the guys who develop the processors. They are Arab killers, bastards, dirty occupiers and danger to the world peace.

http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...15_authors.htm

[fcnico98]

but if we were not in the "euro" we should have three or for serious devaluation of our formal money FF. We have the benefit of EU protection , in realty we are Argentina.

Stop making me laugh.
Euro is the official money in France since 2001: so in 4 years, 3 or 4 serious devaluation of the Franc?!?!?!?!
Where are you finding all this stuff? It's too hilarious.

[fcnico98]

http://www.photius.com/rankings/
The U.S. are kicking in the Economy section.

But we are not as good in the "Population" and "Other ranks" sections.

To please Takeo, here are 2 interesting rankings:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
http://photius.com/rankings/press_freedom_index.html

To discontent Takeo:
I think your posts are too... extreme. Take it easy, man.

[Illuminatus]

[..Take it easy, man. ]

I think takeo is doing just fine......

Lord Wellington was once asked to discipline the 2nd Coldstream
Guards for "conduct unbecoming of proper Gentlemen" for provoking;
by insults the French Grande Armée at the Hougoumont farms -
seems like an enraged Marshal Ney would repeatedly charge up the hill
everytime the Coldstream hurled insults against "The Glory of France".

....thereby the improper "Gentlemen" would let go a well timed
volley (which later that afternoon included stragglers from
the 12th Light Dragoons).

An attentive Lord Wellington remarked - this Marshal Ney "is an
amusing chap is he not, I'll ....ahem, discuss the matter with
Coldstream myself " (he died in September 1852 - regimental
records has no recollection of any so-called "disciplined matter").

takeo ? "an amusing chap is he not"

Someone has to defend "The Glory of France" : )

[KettleWhistle]

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Bullogney. I don't know about France's healthcare system, but Italy, Canada, UK, Japan, and Norway have far inferior healthcare than we do in the U.S. And Cuba should've definitely ranked above the U.S.--many Cubans may not afford to wear shoes, but they finance their healthcare to the teeth, and it's very high quality, expert, and free for every citizen.

[Illuminatus]

[.. we should have three or for serious devaluation ..]

Let me count the ways

1) There would have been one when Le Pen got more votes than
the Socialists -- forcing everybody to to vote for....the
other guy (Chirac).

2) Then, there would have been another one when Europe for most
of 2001, suffered a dramatic downshift in economic growth.

The fake internet bubble courtesy of Billy-boy Klintoon: popped.

Real GDP growth dropped from 3.5% in 2000 to just 1.5% in
2001. The EU(12) went into a technical recession and the
slowdown was the worst since the European recession of 1993.

3) The third devaluation would have occured when Saddam Hussein
stopped sending food-for-oil cash payments to French and Swiss
banks at the time of Iraq's liberation last year.

Saddamites are still upset : )

4) The 4th? Any day now -- The euro will be making U.S.
manufacturers very happy campers when the dollar drops
to $1.55 this spring.

(naturally I blame the Bush tax cuts for Trichet's "stuck-like-a-pig"
squeal about the "brutal" fall of of the dollar)

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...how/965711.cms

[fcnico98]

Bullogney. I don't know about France's healthcare system, but Italy, Canada, UK, Japan, and Norway have far inferior healthcare than we do in the U.S. And Cuba should've definitely ranked above the U.S.--many Cubans may not afford to wear shoes, but they finance their healthcare to the teeth, and it's very high quality, expert, and free for every citizen.

We have here an expert on worldwide health care systems.
I surely trust more your opinion than the World Health Organization.
They don't know what they are talking about and apparently you do.

Lemme guess the WHO (not the band )is an anti-american organization financed by the French.

[KettleWhistle]

We have here an expert on worldwide health care systems.
I surely trust more your opinion than the World Health Organization.
They don't know what they are talking about and apparently you do.

You don't know me, my educational background, or what I do for living. Am I surprised at your lame assumptions? I'll let you guess the answer to that.

Regarding healthcare systems, I'll let our Canadian members fill you in on theirs. I could it myself as I both know how it works, and have Canadian relatives who are doctors, but why bother. The British and Norwegian utilitarian healthcare: "we'd rather provide aspirin to 100,000 children than pay for the second heart surgery for a 70-year-old." Our HMOs are true humanitarians in comparison. Japan--everyone pays 20% of the bill, so anyone who needs any serious procedure is in debt for 10s to 100s thousands of dollars, or suffering from substandand treatments because s/he can't afford any better, or just dies. Broke your leg? If you are Japanese, that's 20,000 yen (~$2,000)! Ayn't that wonderful? But then it's not like WHO cares. According to them these medical schools meet all the requirements of world-class educational facilities: http://www.aaimg.com/list/medical.html

[minusthejihad]

Bullogney. I don't know about France's healthcare system, but Italy, Canada, UK, Japan, and Norway have far inferior healthcare than we do in the U.S. And Cuba should've definitely ranked above the U.S.--many Cubans may not afford to wear shoes, but they finance their healthcare to the teeth, and it's very high quality, expert, and free for every citizen.

You'd rather have an operation in Cuba than the US?

[KettleWhistle]

From purely medical considerations, yes. Their hospitals, at least those in Havana, are equiped and stuffed far better than a typical U.S. hospital.

Realistically speaking... of course not. I got a very good insurance, and I live in L.A. We have some of the best hospitals in the country, and I could go to any one of them: UCLA, Cedars-Sinai, or St. John's.

[fcnico98]

You don't know me, my educational background, or what I do for living. Am I surprised at your lame assumptions? I'll let you guess the answer to that.

You are apparently much more competent that the WHO. You are so good, you know so much more than them. How can I dare trusting a speciliazed international organization and not you? I am so stupid.
Have you even taken care of opening the excel spreadsheet attached to the ranking? It details the ranking.

Regarding healthcare systems, I'll let our Canadian members fill you in on theirs. I could it myself as I both know how it works, and have Canadian relatives who are doctors, but why bother.

Well, that's the first time I hear that. I have always heard exactly the opposite. I guess it's another myth.

The British and Norwegian utilitarian healthcare: "we'd rather provide aspirin to 100,000 children than pay for the second heart surgery for a 70-year-old."
Our HMOs are true humanitarians in comparison.

If you say so. I trust your words.

Japan--everyone pays 20% of the bill, so anyone who needs any serious procedure is in debt for 10s to 100s thousands of dollars, or suffering from substandand treatments because s/he can't afford any better, or just dies. Broke your leg? If you are Japanese, that's 20,000 yen (~$2,000)! Ayn't that wonderful? But then it's not like WHO cares.

Well, if I broke my leg in the US, it will cost me $2,000 with my PPO plan because of the deductibles.
My company used to offer an HMO plan and it was great.
For my first child birth, we paid something like $200-$300 for EVERYTHING.
Unfortunaly, my company switched plan to a PPO plan and my second child birth will cost us $2,000 because of the deductibles.
You probably have a very good healthcare plan but that's not the case for most of americans when they have one.

[Luke90]

I don't know about France's healthcare system, but Italy, Canada, UK, Japan, and Norway have far inferior healthcare than we do in the U.S.

The UK healthcare system isn't exactly a world leader in medical terms but at-least it's free to everyone, regardless of whether they can afford medical insurance.

Kettlewhistle - I also have no idea of your education, which is precisely why I would trust the WHO over your opinion.

Cuba - although they put a lot of effort into their healthcare system with some impressive results they still have a lot of trouble getting all the drugs and equipment they need, which is probably part of the reason for their lower ranking.

[goliath]

QUOTE=Illuminatus] we should have three or for serious devaluation ..]

Let me count the ways

1) There would have been one when Le Pen got more votes than
the Socialists -- forcing everybody to to vote for....the
other guy (Chirac).

Most exact

2) Then, there would have been another one when Europe for most
of 2001, suffered a dramatic downshift in economic growth

.
Yes that was a very hard peiod.

The fake internet bubble courtesy of Billy-boy Klintoon: popped.

This was a huge big lose of money concerning all class of French , their saving was in SICAV ( bond with link on capital variation ) quite a crack.

Real GDP growth dropped from 3.5% in 2000 to just 1.5% in
2001. The EU(12) went into a technical recession and the
slowdown was the worst since the European recession of 1993

.
Yes ,it was a Socialist period leading , bad weather.!

3) The third devaluation would have occured when Saddam Hussein
stopped sending food-for-oil cash payments to French and Swiss
banks at the time of Iraq's liberation last year.
Saddamites are still upset : )

With the Chirac shamelessly trick ,France lose about b Euros 67 , we still hope the money back from S.husseinni
4

) The 4th? Any day now -- The euro will be making U.S.
manufacturers very happy campers when the dollar drops
to $1.55 this spring.
(naturally I blame the Bush tax cuts for Trichet's "stuck-like-a-pig"
squeal about the "brutal" fall of of the dollar)

But is a good economical strategy ,but that make a bit suffer the US consumers in short term.