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    David_in_NYC
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    Jews attacked in French anti-war protests

    (Just a reminder as to the agenda of the French we hear too much from here - is it any wonder that the anti-war crowd is hateful towards Jews? btw - takeo there's a message for you in the Lounge)

    Jews attacked in French anti-war protests

    Street protests against American and British military action in Iraq have escalated into attacks by Muslim youths on Jewish demonstrators, sparking fears of a new wave of anti-Semitism across France.



    The French government was forced to appeal for calm after protesters, some of them carrying pictures of Saddam Hussein, burnt the Israeli flag and turned on Jewish students, attacking one of them with an iron bar, during a series of anti-war rallies.

    Officials fear that anti-war sentiment, supported by President Jacques Chirac, may be running out of control and could ignite widespread violence. Banners at recent demonstrations have shown the Star of David intertwined with a Nazi swastika, while protesters shouted "Vive Chirac! Stop the Jews".

    In response, French police have announced the formation of a new unit to investigate "racist and anti-Semitic crimes", and stepped-up protection for synagogues and Jewish schools.

    Jean-Paul Proust, the head of the Paris Prefecture of Police, promised the new unit would "systematically follow up all complaints".

    President Chirac, whose bitter opposition to the United States-led military offensive in Iraq has won him almost universal support in France, has remained silent on the attacks, but his prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, sought to rein in public sentiment, saying that people should "not choose the wrong enemy".

    Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister, also warned demonstrators not to use the war in Iraq as an excuse for violence. "Whether it is a case of French Muslims or French Jews, each has the right to pray, believe and live his faith as he sees fit," he said.

    Public passions have been fuelled by anti-war rhetoric in the French media, which has concentrated on civilian casualties and highlighted setbacks suffered by the coalition forces.

    An opinion poll in the newspaper Le Monde found that almost a third of French people wanted Saddam to win the war. Only 53 per cent wanted the Anglo-American forces to triumph.

    The fears of increased anti-Semitism come only a month after the French foreign minister Dominique de Villepin allegedly told a group of centre-Right MPs that "the hawks in the US administration are in the hands of [Ariel] Sharon".

    At a private meeting, Mr Villepin referred scathingly to the "pro-Zionist" lobby, including Paul Wolfowitz, America's deputy defence secretary, Richard Perle, who recently resigned as chairman of President Bush's defence policy review board, and Elliot Abrams, the head of the National Security Council, according to the weekly satirical magazine Le Canard Enchaine.

    In his attempt to redress the balance, Mr Raffarin said last week: "We believe that this war was a bad choice - but the Americans are not our enemies. Being against the war does not mean that we want dictatorship to triumph over democracy. Our camp is the camp of democracy."

    A government official admitted to concern about increasing tensions, particularly in the banlieus, the sprawling suburbs of France's main cities. In these areas of high immigration, police report a growing amount of anti-US, anti-British and anti-Jewish graffiti.

    The official said: "It would only take a spark for this hostility to feed into uncontrolled forms of violence." Last week vandals defaced a memorial at a British First World War cemetery in northern France, daubing a demand that Britain "dig up its rubbish which is contaminating our soil" alongside a swastika.

    Meanwhile, staff at the British Embassy in Paris have been advised to "play down our Britishness" after several reported being harassed.

    At a security briefing they were told to avoid speaking English in sensitive situations, to avoid directing taxis to the embassy building in the rue Faubourg St Honore and to change their diplomatic car plates. The ambassador, Sir John Holmes, has been given extra French police protection.

    Noam Levy, a 24-year-old French Jew, was beaten with an iron bar as he took part in a Paris protest and needed several stitches to his head. "As a Jew, I now know that I do not have a place in the anti-war protests," he said. "I was shocked by the comparison of the state of Israel to the Nazis and by anti-Zionist slogans."

    The National Consultative Committee on Human Rights said that acts of violence against Jews and Jewish property in France had increased six times in 2002.

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    I very much appreciate Takeo's and Olivier's presence on this forum. Both are Jewish representatives of an opposite political camp and it is very interesting, if not fun, debating them. However, for some French and other Europeans the current political conflict is not really about Bush vs. Chiraq (US/Iraq/foreign policy) but about nationalistic if not ideological strugle which is beyond of what Takeo or Olivier represent.

    As history has shown no matter what side a Jew is on, no matter how genuinly he/she believes in the cause - at the end he/she is still a Jew and the world does not care to differentiate either. The world still hates you for just being a Jew. It is a sad - sad - sad world.

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    David_in_NYC
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    Originally posted by Mil

    As history has shown no matter what side a Jew is on, no matter how genuinly he/she believes in the cause - at the end he/she is still a Jew and the world does not care to differentiate either. The world still hates you for just being a Jew. It is a sad - sad - sad world.
    I'm afraid that I can't find a basis for distinguishing them from other Jew-hating socialists. I can't find one pro-Jewish statement from any of them, for example. Their rhetoric is identical. Their arguments are identical. Their methods are identical.

    I have known many hardcore left-wing Jews who would basically spout the entire socialist line, up to the point where it came to Israel (most of my extended family, for instance). At that point they would at least concede that Jews too have the right to self-determination, even if they naively thought it possible that Muslim Arabs would peacefully co-exist with Jews who are not their slaves. But with the French here, I don't see even that much.

    I also wonder if they think that transnational socialism will be any more friendly to them than national socialism was.

    Regardless, all I see from them is a propoganda campaign - they refuse to deal in facts, construct fantasies to promote their ideologies, and lie deliberately and constantly. I think it should be met with the full measure of derision it deserves.

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    As the Muslim population increases throughout the west so will incidents of this nature or worse. Reducing and/or deporting all Muslims is the only true solution, anything less than that won’t work.

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    Canaries in a coalmine. First the Jews then everyone else. At least the Jews can make aliyah (not so stupid now, is it?) For the rest of you, sorry. You bring the lawnchairs I'll bring the smores, we'll watch it burn together.

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    TDidier
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    Originally posted by David_in_NYC
    I'm afraid that I can't find a basis for distinguishing them from other Jew-hating socialists. I can't find one pro-Jewish statement from any of them, ...
    Maybe is that because you are unable to understand them.

    Your only response when some one disagree you is: anti-semite !
    even if your counterpart is jew!!

    How not to laugth ?

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    Gilgamesh
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    Originally posted by Mil
    I very much appreciate Takeo's and Olivier's presence on this forum. Both are Jewish representatives of an opposite political camp and it is very interesting, if not fun, debating them. However, for some French and other Europeans the current political conflict is not really about Bush vs. Chiraq (US/Iraq/foreign policy) but about nationalistic if not ideological strugle which is beyond of what Takeo or Olivier represent.

    As history has shown no matter what side a Jew is on, no matter how genuinly he/she believes in the cause - at the end he/she is still a Jew and the world does not care to differentiate either. The world still hates you for just being a Jew. It is a sad - sad - sad world.
    Oliver is not Jewish, AFAIK. Infact, he might get VERY MUCH offended had you called him a jew, is his face. Oliver is not one of us, and that for certian.

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