Home | But i really bored,you think so or you hope so,good luck with your disrespectfulness!Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Good luck with your optimism and Turkey's future. You'll need it.
This is very good response to my love towards jews i guess,whereas jews are the last nation on the earth that i wanted to insult,what i said this much bad i don't know!
First of all Ahava with all the respect to you but i give up,i didn't said anything bad,i always love jews,i don't have jewish relatives,jewish backround but i love them,no matter if they decide to hate my country because of my prime minister's own peculiar remarks.Anyway i said 100 times i don't agree with my prime minister but i can't make him stop talking,but i still believe Sharon is not good leader for Israel itself.Originally posted by Ahava
You are just guessing that I'm wrong. I don't know, but I don't see Turkey becoming a fundamentalist state. Turks are way too moderate for that (indicative of this is the way Turks are in Holland). Plus they want to benefit from the Western wealth.
Shalom from Arabsterdam.
For Turkey's membership to EU,you know what Giscard,Le Pen,Edmund Stoiber and Christian Democrats in general think about Turkey's membership,i am not sure i want to be part of this racist block,for me most important thing is economic development,if our economic rehabilitation can be without EU i prefer to be out of the EU. Erdogan come to power because of 2 terrible ecomomic crises in Turkey,he came to power because of our ex-useless politicians,unfortunately.
For the 8th time, can you explain to us why?Originally posted by Elin
but i still believe Sharon is not good leader for Israel itself.
<<For the 8th time, can you explain to us why?>>
Funny! Well said.
Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
For the 8th time, can you explain to us why?
For the 9th time, canyou tell us why?
Because it is fashionable to criticize him in Eurabia and in turkey
Posted elsewhere but it really needs to be added here.
As usual, a whimpy too-little-too-late Israeli response:
Israel-bashing threatens ties, Shalom warns Turkey
By NINA GILBERT
Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom warned Turkey on Monday that Israel would not be able to "restrain itself" for long in the face of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's outspoken criticism of its policies.
He warned that the remarks are liable to harm the "fabric" of the Israel-Turkey relationship, but that he would do everything possible to preserve ties.
Shalom said Israel did not consider recalling its ambassador after Turkey recently summoned its own ambassador for consultations for a few days.
However, he said Israel would not be able to "restrain itself" over a long period of time in light of the recent developments in relations. Shalom was briefing members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
After Israel's assassination of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in March, Erdogan called its actions in Gaza "state terrorism." The ambassador was recalled as part of a protest by the Turkish government over Israel's recent military operation in Rafah.
Shalom said Israel "would do everything possible" to preserve ties, and will hold a dialogue with Turkey.
>>As usual, a whimpy too-little-too-late Israeli response:<<
I disagree that it's a wimpy response. You must think with your head rather than with your heart. We thought that the jerk would only say it once. When we saw it was "twice" then we had to put our foot down. Plus we also benefit from the relationship. We also don't have many friends. Lastly because of the historic relationship which is positive we had to keep our cool.
Now "enough is enough." I think Israel responded very well.
Turkey's future looks pretty good, OJ.Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Good luck with your optimism and Turkey's future. You'll need it.
Whatever you say.Originally posted by Mira
Turkey's future looks pretty good, OJ.
Mira the Kurds will rebell. I think that the Kurds in Iraq will be liberated. It will impact the Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iran.
In Syria they represent 10% of the population and are not granted Syrian citizenship.
YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. PROBLEM IS KURDS WERE NEVER ABLE TO UNITE BECAUSE OF INTERNAL CLANISH CONFLICTS ( FOR INSTANCE 2 KURDISH PARTIES IN NORTHERN IRAK WHERE THEY FOUGHT EACH OTHERS)Originally posted by Semsem
Mira the Kurds will rebell. I think that the Kurds in Iraq will be liberated. It will impact the Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iran.
In Syria they represent 10% of the population and are not granted Syrian citizenship.
FURTHERMORE, SOME ARE SUNNIS, OTHERS ARE ALEVIS AND THEY DO NOT SHARE A COMMON LANGUAGE
<<<<Originally posted by golani
YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. PROBLEM IS KURDS WERE NEVER ABLE TO UNITE BECAUSE OF INTERNAL CLANISH CONFLICTS ( FOR INSTANCE 2 KURDISH PARTIES IN NORTHERN IRAK WHERE THEY FOUGHT EACH OTHERS)
FURTHERMORE, SOME ARE SUNNIS, OTHERS ARE ALEVIS AND THEY DO NOT SHARE A COMMON LANGUAGE
True but they did a very good job in the internationally controlled Kurdish territory. Democratic and prosperous.
Problems with EL AL may be caused by NATO meeting in Istanbul so we will see.
Someone got a little touchy at the recent NATO summit in Turkey.
I'd like to take the red colored quote and shove it down Chirac's big mouth the next time he meddles into our affairs. Actually I'd like to shove it somewhere else but the forum obscenity filter won't let me.
Chirac tells Bush to keep his nose out
(Filed: 29/06/2004)
US president is accused of meddling in European affairs by backing Turkey's cause for EU membership, reports Anton La Guardia
President Jacques Chirac shattered the carefully contrived show of transatlantic amity at the Nato summit yesterday when he made an unprecedented attack on President George W Bush for meddling in the European Union's business by supporting Turkey's membership.
President Bush listens to President Chirac at the Nato summit yesterday
Mr Chirac is known for his sharp tongue but, even during the most bitter disputes last year over his opposition to war in Iraq, he never hurled personal abuse at Mr Bush.
However, yesterday the French president lost any such reserve when he told Mr Bush that EU affairs were none of his business.
Stung by Mr Bush's call for the EU to give Turkey a firm date for accession, Mr Chirac responded: "He not only went too far but he has gone into a domain which is not his own.
"He has nothing to say on this subject. It is as if I were to tell the United States how it should conduct its relations with Mexico."
Mr Chirac was irritated by Mr Bush's comments a day earlier during a meeting with Turkish leaders.
Hailing Turkey as an example of "how to be a Muslim country and at the same time a country which embraces democracy and rule of law and freedom", Mr Bush said: "I believe you ought to be given a date by the EU for your eventual acceptance into the EU." EU leaders are due to decide at the end of the year whether to open formal accession talks with Ankara, after assessing its progress in human rights and other fields.
France is one of the countries most resistant to Turkish entry, while Britain strongly supports its admission.
Mr Chirac's outburst reflects the unresolved tensions over Iraq and France's declining influence in the EU and Nato. M Chirac, for instance, was at pains to throw cold water on Nato's decision to help train Iraqi security forces. He said this was a job for individual members rather than for Nato as whole.
The comments will rank alongside his other recent broadsides: his rebuke to Tony Blair in October 2002, when he called the Prime Minister "very rude", and his patronising response in February 2003 to eastern European candidate countries that supported America's policy in Iraq, telling them they had "missed a good chance to keep quiet".
Mr Chirac's personal attack on Mr Bush came just as the US president was trying to project an image of transatlantic unity in supporting stability and democracy in Iraq as the new government took up full sovereign powers from the coalition.
Appearing alongside Tony Blair, Mr Bush was asked whether the long-running feud over Iraq had been finally resolved by Nato's compromise deal to help train Iraqi forces.
"I sensed around the table that there was hope that we would succeed," replied Mr Bush. "They understand the stakes; the stakes are high."
A summit communique declared that in response to the Iraqi interim government's appeal for help, "we have decided today to offer Nato's assistance to the government of Iraq with the training of its security forces".
Nato officials said they could not say what numbers would be involved but, while US officials evoked "a huge undertaking", French officials insisted there would be "no Nato flag" in Iraq.
Both France and Germany said they would not send their personnel but would be ready to train Iraqis abroad.
Declaring that peace and stability in Afghanistan was Nato's "key priority", the alliance pledged to boost its forces in Afghanistan to help stabilise the country ahead of next September's planned elections. The 6,500-strong International Security Assistance Force would be increased by about 3,500 troops, both in the country and as a back-up force ready to be deployed at short notice.
I don't know what you understand about democracy?Originally Posted by Semsem
Kurds will never have democracy,reason:Woman =animal for kurds!
As i said i'm half kurdish,although i consider myself 100% turkish but my mother kurdish caming from Southeast of Turkey. Do you know kurdish woman situation there,for example if you sex with your boyfriend your brother/father or your cousin kills you because of save their honour! What kind of honour is it;the honour of maidenhead! Democracy without woman,democracy for man,but eh ok maybe good for America cause US needs man fighters not woman i guess...
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