United Nations Is Guilty Of Crimes Against Humanity

[Batman]

Originally posted by KSO
The Intifada wasn't a terror attack but it was an act of rebellion.


After your friend and mine Baruch Goldstein commited the first suicide terror attack in Israel.

That is such bull . You are not going to tell me that Baruch Goldstein is responsible for the massive suicide bombing children camps and education which has been recruiting children since 1977 but was only activated after OSLO.

OSLO IS THE MAGIC WORD HERE AND THE MOTIVATION FOR THE ARABS WHO THINK ISRAEL IS GETTING WEAKER AND LOSING ITS RESOLVE TO FIGHT.
How convenient. One poor Jewish Doctor who lost his mind from his suffering vs. the calculated ARABNAZI PLANNED GENOCIDE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

You gotta do more than just throw the propaganda around, KSO

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by cunard
Hamases only rallying cry is the settlements and israeli checkpoints. Before Rantisi was killed in the air strike, he appeared on NBC Nightly News via Video phone before that Hamas spirtual figure was killed. He said that Hamas would except the 67 green line. Even though this man probably did order attacks, he was a moderate palestinian who was not really relgious, a doctor so he was well educated

I don't have time now to comment on all of the falacies you posted but the above one just goes to show your overall level of ignorance as to what's going on in real life.

I suggest you do your homework. Note the dates - before Yassin's demise:

1. Rasha el-Rantissi, wife of Abed el-Aziz el-Rantissi, told the Arab media that she is educating her children to resistance and jihad. She added, "I hope that my husband, my children and I will receive the shahada so that we may prove that we are the first to sacrifice our children for Allah;" "Allah is generous with us, because our children die as fighters, and we wait with them for death for Allah's sake any minute" (el-Bian, 16 June 2003).



2. Hamas Offers Ten-Year Truce in Exchange For Israeli
Withdrawal to 1967 Borders
[Official PA website]

GAZA, January 26, 2004 (IPC + Agencies) - - The Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) said that it could declare a 10-year truce (ceasefire) with Israel
in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza Strip and
the establishment of a Palestinian state on the lands Israel occupied in
1967.

Hamas spokesman and co-founder Abd al-Aziz al-Rantissi told journalists on
Sunday that the movement had come to the conclusion it was "difficult to
liberate all our land at this stage, so we accept a phased liberation."

"We accept a state in the West Bank, including Jerusalem, and the Gaza
Strip. We propose a 10-year truce in return for [Israel's] withdrawal and
the establishment of a state," Reuters news agency quoted al-Rantissi as
saying.

He added that the proposal did not mean that Hams has to recognize Israel or
spell the belief in the end of the conflict to be true.

Tel Aviv dismisses any talk of Hamas moderation as a smokescreen for
military preparations by a group at the forefront of attacks on Israel,
particularly after the bombing that killed four Israeli soldiers at a border
crossing north of Gaza on January 14.

The spiritual leader of Hamas, Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, recently said the
resistance could accept a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
but had not previously given any indication how long a truce might last.

al-Rantissi added he did not expect Israel to respond favorably to the new
suggestion "when it has rejected the Palestinian Authority's offer for less
land than what we are proposing."

Earlier, Hamas asserted Sunday that it had demanded for international and
regional immediate move to rein in the Israeli threats to assassinate Sheikh
Yassin.

Israeli officials indeed say it would be impossible to return to pre-1967
borders, emphasizing that Palestinians could not expect control over East
Jerusalem and major settlements deemed vital for security.



3. Key Hamas official Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi interview with NEWSWEEK's Dan
Ephron
July 24 2002

Q: What do you mean? How does Hamas define civilians?

A: An Israeli civilian is someone who never took part in the fighting. If he
participated in the fighting in the past, years ago, he is not a civilian.
That's why Israelis are still pursuing the Germans who took part in the
Holocaust, though some of these people are in their 80s. They are still
considered soldiers.

Q: So you consider all Israeli men combatants because they at one time or
another served in the army and do reserve duty?

A: Yes.

Q: What about Israeli women?

A: Most Israeli women served in the army.

Q: According to these criteria, what percentage of the Israeli population do
you consider combatants?

A: The majority. We choose military targets. If civilians are liable to die,
that isn't a reason to stop the attack. But we don't set out to kill
civilians.




4. Quotes by Hamas Leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi
Associated Press ^ | Sat Apr 17, 4:02 PM ET | Associated Press


Posted on 04/17/2004 11:58:58 PM PDT by dila813


Quotes by Hamas Leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi Sat Apr 17, 4:02 PM ET

By The Associated Press

Recent quotes from Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi, who was assassinated Saturday by Israel.

AFP Slideshow: Mideast Conflict

"We knew that Bush is the enemy of God, the enemy of Islam and Muslims. America declared war against God. Sharon declared war against God and God declared war against America, Bush and Sharon. ... The war of God continues against them, and I can see the victory coming up from the land of Palestine by the hand of Hamas." — Last month, after the United States vetoed an United Nations (news - web sites) Security Council resoultion condemning Israel for assassinating Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.

"We will be unified in the trenches of resistance. We will not surrender, we will never surrender to Israeli terror." — Last month, after being selected Hamas leader in Gaza after Yassin was killed.

"Yassin is a man in a nation, and a nation in a man. And the retaliation of this nation will be of the size of this man. ... You will see deeds not words." — Last month, after Yassin's assassination.

"We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache." — Last month, after Yassin's assassination

_ "This operation, whoever is behind it, is a natural reaction for the bloody aggression against our people." — Last September, after deadly suicide bombings at a bus stop crowded with Israeli soldiers near Rishon Letzion and five hours later at a Jerusalem nightspot.

"They think that targeting leaders will stop Jihad (holy war). They are mistaken. ... All of us in Hamas from top to bottom are looking to become like Abu Shanab." — Last August, after Israel killed Yassin aide Ismail Abu Shanab.

"The word cease-fire is not in our dictionary. ... Resistance will continue until we uproot them from our homeland." — Last June, as Egypt tried to work out a truce.

"The Zionists will pay an expensive price for all of their crimes." — Last June, from his hospital bed after a deadly bus bombing in Jerusalem that followed Israel's attempt to kill him.



5. Have you ever bothered to read the Hamas Charter? Get back to use after reading the first 20 or so items.



The factual mistakes you are making over and over again are a perfect example of what Israel has to go through from the nations of the World, USA included.

You seem sincere. Why don't you sit back and think over whether you've been suckered by the free-world press you've been so trusting of all these years, at least when it comes to Israel (though it doesn't stop there).

[KSO]

Originally posted by Batman
That is such bull . You are not going to tell me that Baruch Goldstein is responsible for the massive suicide bombing children camps and education which has been recruiting children since 1977 but was only activated after OSLO.

OSLO IS THE MAGIC WORD HERE AND THE MOTIVATION FOR THE ARABS WHO THINK ISRAEL IS GETTING WEAKER AND LOSING ITS RESOLVE TO FIGHT.
How convenient. One poor Jewish Doctor who lost his mind from his suffering vs. the calculated ARABNAZI PLANNED GENOCIDE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

You gotta do more than just throw the propaganda around, KSO

Yes educating for hate is wrong

and shouldn't be done by anyone

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by KSO
After your friend and mine Baruch Goldstein commited the first suicide terror attack in Israel.

Quick, KSO! You know so much!

How many Israelis were killed and wounded by Pals and how many failed attempts were recorded from the time the Oslo Agreements were signed up until Goldstein's murder spree?

Go on. State the facts. Let us know. You don't want to conceal anything from us, do you?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by KSO
Yes educating for hate is wrong

Anyone here have kids who ever read this stuff?

Our kids go to the library, borrow books from friends and we let them choose books at the annual book week fair.

None of these ring a bell.

None of these are promoted in any school programs, either, from what I can see in the article.

Nothing to do but dig up irrelevant dirt, KSO? As usual.

and shouldn't be done by anyone [/B]

This article's even a bigger joke.

"Textbooks currently being used in the Israeli school system, says Bar-Tal, contain less direct denigration of Arabs but continue to stereotype them negatively when referring to them".

Not a single quote or title reference given in the article.

"Our books basically tell us that everything the Jews do is fine and legitimate and Arabs are wrong and violent and are trying to exterminate us,” said Daniel Banvolegyi, a 17-year-old high school student in Jerusalem.
Sounds like you, KSO. Does it get any more in-depth?

No. The articles are as shallow as your logic.

[Mil]

Posted by cunrad:


What I ment by UN troops deplyments is why arent there troops posted to seperate both sides so that UN troops can take place of the IDF,


You mean UN troops guarding Israeli territory? There isn't a place in the world where such is the case and Israel is no exception.



also there are no UN troops there epecially between Gaza rafah and Egypt Rafah,


There are no UN troops between Kashmir and Pakistan and India.


there are UN observers in the Sinai as they are there as observers in the Golan and other place there. There only a few dozen troops who act as observers, not as a buffer.

No. These are not a few dozen troops these are a few THOUSAND troops. Look it up at www.UN.org


And like i said before the only reason that China, USSR and the rest who are in the security council are cause they were the victors of the war.


No. These countries were selected for the security council because they were recognized and still are recognized as SUPERPOWERS. I recommend you read up on the history of LON and the UN.


Tougest in the region is the same thing. the loser wouldnt be the victor or the toughest in the region,


No. France clearly lost WWII - for example - but still was included on the Security Council. In 1945 France, Britain, USSR and the United States were clearly recognized superpowers - there weren't any others. Later China was added in. I personally believe that one more country should become the permanent member ..... India. India is a large political, economic and military regional superpower.


Mil, your just playing word games now.

Nope - world is not run by emotions.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Separate thread started on this topic:

UN Troops are raping women in the Congo

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Yes educating for hate is wrong

and shouldn't be done by anyone

I seriously question anything written by Israel Shahak. The guy told some of the most disgusting lies about Judaism, they could have been written by Nazis. I've researched many of his assertions, all of them were so blatantly false that his errors could only be intentional. I know his background and it made him a great target for promoting anti-semitic and anti-Israeli propaganda. Anyone who would quote him tells me instantly where they get their information from- propaganda sites, perhaps the same one where you got that bogus Ariel Sharon quote from when you first came on here? The saddest thing is how you went on and on about how you have read all the Zionist literature and so you were establishing your authority, but I had the Amos Oz book that the quote came from and I knew right away that your post was a lie. Weren't you embarrassed by that? Shahak was being paid heavily by various European oganizations and international organizations like the Ford Foundation, which was caught and had to publicly admit to sponsoring anti-semitic materials, and this was going on in the past five years, not the 1940s!!!!http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.a...ntcategoryid=3

I also find very suspect the fact that they translated and reprinted it from Haaretz rather than posting the original article. Can someone find that article? This issue has come up in the local Jewish community where I am from and there is an Israeli guy who has challenged anyone who can find these children's textbooks and he is offering a very large cash reward. So if anyone can come up with real proof, then I will direct you to him.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
I seriously question anything written by Israel Shahak. The guy told some of the most disgusting lies about Judaism, they could have been written by Nazis. I've researched many of his assertions, all of them were so blatantly false that his errors could only be intentional. I know his background and it made him a great target for promoting anti-semitic and anti-Israeli propaganda. Anyone who would quote him tells me instantly where they get their information from- propaganda sites, perhaps the same one where you got that bogus Ariel Sharon quote from when you first came on here? The saddest thing is how you went on and on about how you have read all the Zionist literature and so you were establishing your authority, but I had the Amos Oz book that the quote came from and I knew right away that your post was a lie. Weren't you embarrassed by that? Shahak was being paid by various European oganizations and international organizations like the Ford Foundation, which was caught and had to publicly admit to sponsoring anti-semitic materials, and this was going on in the past five years, not the 1940s!!!! I also find very suspect the fact that they translated and reprinted it from Haaretz rather than posting the original article. Can someone find that article? This issue has come up in the local Jewish community where I am from and there is an Israeli guy who has challenged anyone who can find these children's textbooks and he is offering a very large cash reward. So if anyone can come up with real proof, then I will direct you to him.

I think you confuse Israel Shahak with Israel Shamir, Israel Shamir is a very problematic figure even palestinians accuse him of antisemitism
http://www.nigelparry.com/issues/sha...nalletter.html

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
I think you confuse Israel Shahak with Israel Shamir, Israel Shamir is a very problematic figure even palestinians accuse him of antisemitism
http://www.nigelparry.com/issues/sha...nalletter.html

NO! I have read Israel Shahak and when I say Israel Shahak I mean Israel Shahak. Shamir was at first heavily backed by Palestinians until, as your letter showed (and I had read that letter before) his anti-semitic rants became so far fetched and filled with lunacy that even the Jew haters had to distance themselves from him. I spent a long time researching the assertions that Shahak makes in one of his books on modern Israel and the Jewish people and it is filled with so many lies, so many obvious distortions (taking quotes out of their proper context and then twisting their meaning) and they are so hateful.

I mean look, do I believe that there is racism in Israel? Yes, most definetly. But why not address it in a constructive manner instead of promoting the work of authors who demonize Israel and whoose work borders on blood libels against not just Israel but the Jewish people and religion?

[cunard]

Originally posted by KSO
The Intifada wasn't a terror attack but it was an act of rebellion.


After your friend and mine Baruch Goldstein commited the first suicide terror attack in Israel.

Hezboulla carried out many suicde attacks in the 1980s!!, second of all I have never called the Intifada as a terrorist thing, certain elements of the uprising are though. Attacking buses and cafes is terrorist activity though!! I have also said that the military targets are legit though. Also Israel on its part has done violations of Intl Law too so don't say that im picking sides causemy not! I have also said that the military targets are legit though.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mira
NO! I have read Israel Shahak and when I say Israel Shahak I mean Israel Shahak. Shamir was at first heavily backed by Palestinians until, as your letter showed (and I had read that letter before) his anti-semitic rants became so far fetched and filled with lunacy that even the Jew haters had to distance themselves from him. I spent a long time researching the assertions that Shahak makes in one of his books on modern Israel and the Jewish people and it is filled with so many lies, so many obvious distortions (taking quotes out of their proper context and then twisting their meaning) and they are so hateful.

I mean look, do I believe that there is racism in Israel? Yes, most definetly. But why not address it in a constructive manner instead of promoting the work of authors who demonize Israel and whoose work borders on blood libels against not just Israel but the Jewish people and religion?

Shouldn't our first priority be to try and minimize Rasicm in Israel as much as possible, starting with our school system! (maybe our neighbours will take an example) I had my share of rasict teachers, with My arabic teacher (how ironic) wished death to all arabs, and my history teacher in high school in general (just to crazy to recall)

[cunard]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
[B]I don't have time now to comment on all of the falacies you posted but the above one just goes to show your overall level of ignorance as to what's going on in real life.

I suggest you do your homework. Note the dates - before Yassin's demise:

1. Rasha el-Rantissi, wife of Abed el-Aziz el-Rantissi, told the Arab media that she is educating her children to resistance and jihad. She added, "I hope that my husband, my children and I will receive the shahada so that we may prove that we are the first to sacrifice our children for Allah;" "Allah is generous with us, because our children die as fighters, and we wait with them for death for Allah's sake any minute" (el-Bian, 16 June 2003).



2. Hamas Offers Ten-Year Truce in Exchange For Israeli
Withdrawal to 1967 Borders
[Official PA website]

GAZA, January 26, 2004 (IPC + Agencies) - - The Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) said that it could declare a 10-year truce (ceasefire) with Israel
in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza Strip and
the establishment of a Palestinian state on the lands Israel occupied in
1967.

Hamas spokesman and co-founder Abd al-Aziz al-Rantissi told journalists on
Sunday that the movement had come to the conclusion it was "difficult to
liberate all our land at this stage, so we accept a phased liberation."

"We accept a state in the West Bank, including Jerusalem, and the Gaza
Strip. We propose a 10-year truce in return for [Israel's] withdrawal and
the establishment of a state," Reuters news agency quoted al-Rantissi as
saying.

He added that the proposal did not mean that Hams has to recognize Israel or
spell the belief in the end of the conflict to be true.

Tel Aviv dismisses any talk of Hamas moderation as a smokescreen for
military preparations by a group at the forefront of attacks on Israel,
particularly after the bombing that killed four Israeli soldiers at a border
crossing north of Gaza on January 14.

The spiritual leader of Hamas, Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, recently said the
resistance could accept a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
but had not previously given any indication how long a truce might last.

al-Rantissi added he did not expect Israel to respond favorably to the new
suggestion "when it has rejected the Palestinian Authority's offer for less
land than what we are proposing."

Earlier, Hamas asserted Sunday that it had demanded for international and
regional immediate move to rein in the Israeli threats to assassinate Sheikh
Yassin.

Israeli officials indeed say it would be impossible to return to pre-1967
borders, emphasizing that Palestinians could not expect control over East
Jerusalem and major settlements deemed vital for security.


Ok so you yourself have proved that my point was correct!! the most recent statement made by Rantisi and and his clan were ready to let Israel be as long as there was a palestinian state, even though they said they would not officaly except israel, 10 years of peace and quite would have been a long time for them to think that over as lived in in peace and quite and there economy and the lives of the palestinian people improved.

[cunard]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Quick, KSO! You know so much!

How many Israelis were killed and wounded by Pals and how many failed attempts were recorded from the time the Oslo Agreements were signed up until Goldstein's murder spree?

Go on. State the facts. Let us know. You don't want to conceal anything from us, do you?

Oh Jerusalem, How many palestinians killed and wounded and made homelss by Israelis, how many violations of Lebannese air space? State the facts since I never do right?

[Mira~]

Originally posted by KSO
Shouldn't our first priority be to try and minimize Rasicm in Israel as much as possible, starting with our school system! (maybe our neighbours will take an example) I had my share of rasict teachers, with My arabic teacher (how ironic) wished death to all arabs, and my history teacher in high school in general (just to crazy to recall)

Our first priority should be to get the facts rather than promote hate-inspired lies, KSO. Are there or are there not Israeli government backed textbooks that promote racism against Arabs in the Israeli primary schools? Do Jews receive different textbooks than the 20% of the population that is not Jewish? There are no Jews in the schools operated by Hamas, the PA and Islamic Jihad. There are, however, Arabs living in Israel. I know that Arabs are required to learn about the Holocaust. So do they also receive the same textbooks? Your personal experiences aside, KSO, I want to know whether there is a systemic, institutionalized program for promoting racisim in Israeli schools the way that there was in the territories when the Arabs used Jordanian textbooks.