United Nations Is Guilty Of Crimes Against Humanity

[cunard]

Originally posted by Mira
I disagree with you, and trust me, I would like to not disagree with you. I would like to resolve this so that both Israelis and Palestinians could move on and maybe one day even benefit from good relations with each other. Contrary to what you always hear , the two sides never even got to the point of drawing up proposed maps. Those maps that are plastered all over various websites are bogus. The two sides only disucssed the division in abstract terms. They couldn't even agree on some of the most basic points of contention. Look, when it comes down to it, Arafat was not willing and probably not able to sign an agreement, especially one that involved forgoing a right of return for Palestinians to Israel. He would have been shot.

To bad he hasnt been shot so they could move on, but it has to be a PL bullet to kill him or the situation would become even worse. I think if the Israeli had sat down with the PL the Pl would have been caught off gaurd, and coming so close to waht they wanted they would have had to continue negotiations cuase if they walked out the PL people would have there heads.


Also the word thousands was used for the current conflict since 2000. three thousand palestinians dead would be thousands sooo... if you are even saying that those number do not even exsit i would like to see your numbers for the current conflict sicne it is the conflcit today that is holding the cards, the conflcits of the past are now done and over with, them have folded.

BBC show "the accord"
In the evening of September 16th 1982, a group of the Lebanese christian militia of the Falange, entered the Palestinain refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila (near Beirout). During the following 36 hours, they murdered between 800 (official Israeli figures) and 3.500 (according to the investigations of the Israeli journalist Kapeliouk) people, including women and children. On the previous day, the sraeli army had entered this part of the city during its campaign in Lebanon. It sealed the camps from the outside world and stood by to observe the events of 16, 17 and 18 September.



Even if your figures of everyone else being terrorists, by just looking at the picutres u can see they werent, no weapons are lying aginst bodies of man, old and young. the shooting was indiscriminate.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by cunard
To bad he hasnt been shot so they could move on, but it has to be a PL bullet to kill him or the situation would become even worse. I think if the Israeli had sat down with the PL the Pl would have been caught off gaurd, and coming so close to waht they wanted they would have had to continue negotiations cuase if they walked out the PL people would have there heads.


Also the word thousands was used for the current conflict since 2000. three thousand palestinians dead would be thousands sooo... if you are even saying that those number do not even exsit i would like to see your numbers for the current conflict sicne it is the conflcit today that is holding the cards, the conflcits of the past are now done and over with, them have folded.

You edited your post. Originally, you wrote that Sharon killed thousands in Lebanon. Now that I know what I am dealing with, I will remember to quote everything you say directly.

People throw out a lot of different numbers in this war. I've seen many different breakdowns, and I've been told that PA estimates include terrorist who have died as a result of work accidents, as well as Palestinians killed by other Palestinians for allegedly being collaborators, blah, blah, blah.... So it's hard to comment on them in precise detail. I don't think it's necessary though. Israel could level Gaza and the West Bank, but they don't. The numbers seem high, although not terribly high for a war that has been going on for over three years. What is far worse is the psychological toll for both sides, the increased fanatacism, and the damage to the economies, especially the Palestinian economy. The numbers will be much higher if a realistic solution isn't found.

[cunard]

Originally posted by Mira
You edited your post. Originally, you wrote that Sharon killed thousands in Lebanon. Now that I know what I am dealing with, I will remember to quote everything you say directly.

People throw out a lot of different numbers in this war. I've seen many different breakdowns, and I've been told that PA estimates include terrorist who have died as a result of work accidents, as well as Palestinians killed by other Palestinians for allegedly being collaborators, blah, blah, blah.... So it's hard to comment on them in precise detail. I don't think it's necessary though. Israel could level Gaza and the West Bank, but they don't. The numbers seem high, although not terribly high for a war that has been going on for over three years. What is far worse is the psychological toll for both sides, the increased fanatacism, and the damage to the economies, especially the Palestinian economy. The numbers will be much higher if a realistic solution isn't found.

I think your right about the Sharon edit, i have gone back and edited a few post cause of mistakes, i did actually mean the current conflict since 2000. But for your last post I pertty much agree with you, finnaly some common ground

[cunard]

Originally posted by cunard
I think your right about the Sharon edit, i have gone back and edited a few post cause of mistakes, i did actually mean the current conflict since 2000. But for your last post I pertty much agree with you, finnaly some common ground

[Mil]

Posted by cunrad:


Also, like I said France lost the first 85% of the war with Germany,


You bold theories of winning wars by percentiles should turn military science up-side-down. May be you should write a book. In the real world wars are either won, lost, or stalemated to be later resolved by a political process. In the real world France lost the war to Germany all 100% of it.


but in the end who won?


The allies and the Red Army.



it was France, what u said was pertty much just like if the Chicago Blackhawks (France) are down 2 goals in a hockey gave with the Maple Leafs(Germany) and then in third peirod, Blackhawks shoot 3 goals and win the game. So really won(the victor)?? I would say The Blackhawks(France)


The problem was that France was not just down two goals - it's entire military, over 1.5 million soldiers, was destroyed for all intensive purposes, the country was occupied, it's military leaders were either captured, killed, or exiled.


I hope that clear enough cuase thats the second or third time i've had to explain that France was a vicotor of WW2.


Apparently your knowledge of WWII and of military science and history is next to zero. Lets leave it at that.


Second of all, what hasnt Sharon done, the man is a Pinochett of the Holy Land, he has killed so many people in Lebannon refugge camps, killed thousands of Palestinian people. Destoyed farming land, violated Lebanese air space hundreds of times, holding onto the Syrian and. I doubt Syrian tanks from ancient soviet times are coming towards Israel anythime soon and plus Syria is a secular state which is slowly turning to radical islamist cause of the dragging of the Israeli-Pl conflict. Jordan and Egypt were once hardcore anti-israeli now there somewhat freinds
Only real Israeli threat is Iran which wont do anything since Iranians are looking to make there wallets fatter with economic success rather strting a new war no matter what some relgious extreamist in Iran say.


Your knowledge of the Middle East and its history is simply pathetic mostly driven from specials you probably watch on CBC or the BBC. You probably did not read a single book or are even aware of a single source for things you try to explain to the local audience. I recommend you read up on UN first and then I can recommend a bunch of literature for you to read later - serious literature with serious and confirmed sources.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Mil
Posted by cunrad:


it was France, what u said was pertty much just like if the Chicago Blackhawks (France) are down 2 goals in a hockey gave with the Maple Leafs(Germany) and then in third peirod, Blackhawks shoot 3 goals and win the game. So really won(the victor)?? I would say The Blackhawks(France)


The problem was that France was not just down two goals - it's entire military, over 1.5 million soldiers, was destroyed for all intensive purposes, the country was occupied, it's military leaders were either captured, killed, or exiled.

Responding to Cunard's halucinations is even easier than waltzing over the Maginot Line.

[Mil]

Posted by Jerusalem:


Responding to Cunard's halucinations is even easier than waltzing over the Maginot Line.


Actually the Germans did not breach the Maginot line. Out of the entire pre-war planning it was the only plan or the only defensive measure that actually worked as intended!!!! The reason for the catastrophic French collapse was the utter failure of the political and the military establishment to properly mobilize. The smaller German army basically destroyed the entire French army piecemeal as these unorganized pieces moved up to the front.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mil
Posted by Jerusalem:


Responding to Cunard's halucinations is even easier than waltzing over the Maginot Line.


Actually the Germans did not breach the Maginot line. Out of the entire pre-war planning it was the only plan or the only defensive measure that actually worked as intended!!!! The reason for the catastrophic French collapse was the utter failure of the political and the military establishment to properly mobilize. The smaller German army basically destroyed the entire French army piecemeal as these unorganized pieces moved up to the front.

And the Soviet Union (who wanted Frances fall) employed many secret agents who worked from within france to weaken the French army...

[Mil]

Posted by KSO:


And the Soviet Union (who wanted Frances fall) employed many secret agents who worked from within france to weaken the French army...


Reading too much Suvorov, are we? The Soviets were not any smarter or learned much from the same spies - in 1941 the Wermacht and allies numbering 4.2 million destroyed a smaller Soviet force of 3.5 millon in the same exact way; piecemeal.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Mil
Posted by KSO:


And the Soviet Union (who wanted Frances fall) employed many secret agents who worked from within france to weaken the French army...


Reading too much Suvorov, are we? The Soviets were not any smarter or learned much from the same spies - in 1941 the Wermacht and allies numbering 4.2 million destroyed a smaller Soviet force of 3.5 millon in the same exact way; piecemeal.

Yes there was many traitors in the USSR, If someone can remind me the name of the Leader of the Russian brigade that worked under the nazis and made out of POWs and collaborators.

[Mil]

Vlasov.

[TDidier]

Originally posted by Mil
[B]Posted by cunrad:



but in the end who won?


The allies and the Red Army.

But France was a part of the allies with independant commandment...

As KSO said the soviet threat was important in France after WW2, if G.DeGaule had not unified the country, WW3 would certainly rise in France during a communist coup...

At the end of the war, France found back an army and materials, for aircraft it was not easy to repair the hundreds saboted messerchmits, but for the tank (less complexe), French built Panzer VI Panther entred "en masse" in sevice.

An administration area in Germany was certainly an ask from Churchild who thought that britain would not be able to support the charge for a long time...
For the administration aera in Austria, it was perfectly fair because it was french army who was the first on the head of allied offensive and invade Austria...

The hunt to Hittler conduced sovietics to Berlin and frenchs to the "eagle nest" (band of brothers) in Austria when US where forced to send their best light troop (101 airborn) to try to capture him befor the heavy armoured french army fighting aigainst the last defensors...

[cunard]

finanly somone agreed with me, i was beginning to think that maybe my history classes in university were wrong


i still think and believe France was a victor at the end of the war.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by cunard
i still think and believe France was a victor at the end of the war.

Yes. They definitely were instrumental in defeating the Vichy regime.

[Oh Jerusalem]

To make it more blatantly obvious, the UN would have to hang a big "NO JEWS ALLOWED" sign outside their door:

David Bedein update from Geneva: UN honored my press credentials. Report Available

Wed, 9 Jun 2004
David Bedein
Bureau Chief
Israel Resource News Agency
media@actcom.co.il
¨
Geneva,

The UN had not invited Israel to attend the UN conference which concludes
today
in Geneva on the subject of the future of Palestinian Arab refugees.

Despite the fact that the UN spokesman had said that the UN would not honor
Israeli press credentials at this UN conference, the UN press desk did
recognize the Israel press credentials which I presented at the desk.

(A US State Dep't rep who was present at the meeting confirmed that the US
had
affirmed the decision to exclude Israel from this conference.)

A young Egyptian clerk looked up at me and said, simply, that "we are at
peace
with you", and processed the press pass.

The UNRWA spokesman was livid at his decision, yet could do nothing about
it.

The conclusion of the conference was to help Arab refugees plan for yet
another undetermined amount of time as "temporary" residents of Arab refugee
camps, where they have lingered since 1948.

Israel was not given any opportunity to answer charges that UNRWA leveled
against the Jewish State.

The PLO was given a table at the conference, where they promoted the concept
that Arab refugees could take back the land that they left in 1948, despite
the fact that these lands have been replaced by Israeli villages, collective
farms and woodlands.