Who here supports Sharon's Gaza pullout plan?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Mira
Now this is coming way too soon!

As wise King Solomon said "there is nothing new under the sun."

There is no difference between Olmert and Sharon and Barak Peres and Rabin, except in irrelevant nuances.

How dumb are we to forget the "Gaza and Jericho First" excitement of the Oslo Accords. Such short memory spans.
There was an amazing length report on Israel Radio this morning by reporter Avi Sacharov, who accompanied a top military commander into the Philadelphia Corridor.

The sites that he saw and the first hand information that he received have removed the big doubts that he previously had about the dangers that remain in Gaza.

He saw Rafiach residents tearing down their own houses, which later the PA blames on Israel destruction. The residents rip appart their roofs, walls, windows and doors, to claim compensation from the PA. Then they resell the salvagable building materials to refinance their new homes elsewhere.

He saw how children are used to cover terrorist's open movements. It works because for the most part, Israel's rules of engagement say not to open fire under these circumstances unless the cover is used for shooting against Israelis.

He got reports on the kind of weapons that have made it into Gaza. Forget about Kassams. We're talking about longer range Katyushas, Sagers, and a slew of anti-armor and anti-aircraft should launched missiles. For something a little bit bigger, read from here and down a few posts.

This is all happening with Israel in Gaza and the Egyptians on their side of the border. What do you suppose will happen if Israel withdraws completely from Gaza, with or without staying in the Philly corridor?

Stupid Jews!

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Mira
Jun. 9, 2004 0:21 | Updated Jun. 9, 2004 0:59
Olmert: Cede Arab areas in capital to PA

Finally, Olmert is about to be arrested, I'm sure!

Arrested for “No Arabs – No Attacks” Tee-shirt
21:48 Jun 08, '04 / 19 Sivan 5764

(IsraelNN.com) A man wearing a “No Arabs – No Attacks” tee-shirt was arrested by police in the area of Jerusalem’s Old City. Police are indicating the wearing the shirt constitutes incitement and is therefore against the law.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
He got reports on the kind of weapons that have made it into Gaza. Forget about Kassams. We're talking about longer range Katyushas, Sagers, and a slew of anti-armor and anti-aircraft should launched missiles.

A small reference to this, as reported in Ha'aretz:

IDF brass said expecting rise in terror in Gaza
By Haaretz Service

Senior IDF officers expect an escalation in terrorism in the Gaza Strip in the near term, Israel Radio reported Wednesday, without elaboration.

In a separate report, a senior IDF commander in the Gaza Strip was quoted as saying that Israel must hold the Philadelphi Route border strip even after a future withdrawal from the Strip, to prevent Palestinians from acquiring anti-aircraft missiles and katyusha rockets.

The radio quoted IDF Southern Gaza Brigade commander Colonel Pinkie Suarez as saying that the weapons were part of a very large quantity of arms that smugglers in the Sinai Desert are currently holding for eventual introduction into the Strip.

The IDF's Philadelphi security road divides between the Egyptian and Palestinian halves of the southern Gaza border town of Rafah, adjacent to the Sinai. The route was a focus of the recent major IDF operation in Rafah. Military officials have said that IDF forces have uncovered 15 arms-smuggling tunnels built under the route since the beginning of the year.

Stupid Jews!

I stand by my original statement.

[Isiah 2:4]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Via you mother's mother or your mother's father?

Both actually. My Nana is descended from Dutch Sephardim. My Papa from Ukrainian Ashekenazi. I get the best of both world's

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Isiah 2:4
Both actually. My Nana is descended from Dutch Sephardim. My Papa from Ukrainian Ashekenazi. I get the best of both world's

So then what is the question of your Jewishness?!

I ask this not as an Islamofascist.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
He saw Rafiach residents tearing down their own houses, which later the PA blames on Israel destruction. The residents rip appart their roofs, walls, windows and doors, to claim compensation from the PA.

Silly me and stupid Jews!

Gaza Arabs Destroying Their Own Homes
13:15 Jun 09, '04 / 20 Sivan 5764

(IsraelNN.com) Two weeks after the announcement by the IDF Chief of Staff that Israel will consider compensation claims by Rafiach Arabs arising from the military's operations in the city, some residents are damaging their own homes. The fraudulent claimants are hoping to take advantage of the Israeli generosity by claiming the damage was a result of IDF activities.

During Operation Rainbow in Rafiach, IDF troops had the mission of searching out and destroying tunnels used for smuggling weapons and the like from Egypt into Rafiach.

[Isiah 2:4]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
So then what is the question of your Jewishness?!

You asked, so i told!

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
I thought you weren't Jewish.

[Mira~]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
A small reference to this, as reported in Ha'aretz:

IDF brass said expecting rise in terror in Gaza
By Haaretz Service

Senior IDF officers expect an escalation in terrorism in the Gaza Strip in the near term, Israel Radio reported Wednesday, without elaboration.

In a separate report, a senior IDF commander in the Gaza Strip was quoted as saying that Israel must hold the Philadelphi Route border strip even after a future withdrawal from the Strip, to prevent Palestinians from acquiring anti-aircraft missiles and katyusha rockets.

The radio quoted IDF Southern Gaza Brigade commander Colonel Pinkie Suarez as saying that the weapons were part of a very large quantity of arms that smugglers in the Sinai Desert are currently holding for eventual introduction into the Strip.

The IDF's Philadelphi security road divides between the Egyptian and Palestinian halves of the southern Gaza border town of Rafah, adjacent to the Sinai. The route was a focus of the recent major IDF operation in Rafah. Military officials have said that IDF forces have uncovered 15 arms-smuggling tunnels built under the route since the beginning of the year.


I stand by my original statement.

Maybe they should build a water channel there. Sure, the Palestinians will complain that they are being penned in, but Israel legally controls the Philadelphi route.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Mira
Maybe they should build a water channel there. Sure, the Palestinians will complain that they are being penned in, but Israel legally controls the Philadelphi route.

Nice try but we'll have to fill it in with tens of 1000's of pirhannas just to be certain.

[Mediocrates]

I like the idea of once again simply making it Egypt in lieu of any PA legitimacy or Hamas control, which is what an Israeli evacuation and 'shared' administration between Egypt and Israel amounts to. Egypt is a big country, the most populous in Africa. I'm sure they could manage a tiny strip of land with a million people in it. It gives the arabs a carrot in 'returning' it to arab control and it denies the Palestinians a toe-hold in forming their own terrorist state. Better terrorism come, if no one can stop it, from Egypt, a state that is actually engaged in the world and needs to appear to be rational as opposed to Palistan-the world's first fully functional legitimate terrorist nation against which no one is allowed to complain or act. Now if Israel engineers a similar gerrymandering of logical control over Judea and Samaria with Jordan we'll be very close to the endgame with the Palestinians.

The day is coming soon when Palestinian passports are as quaint as Confederate money, and as valuable.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
I like the idea of once again simply making it Egypt in lieu of any PA legitimacy or Hamas control, which is what an Israeli evacuation and 'shared' administration between Egypt and Israel amounts to. Egypt is a big country, the most populous in Africa. I'm sure they could manage a tiny strip of land with a million people in it. It gives the arabs a carrot in 'returning' it to arab control and it denies the Palestinians a toe-hold in forming their own terrorist state. Better terrorism come, if no one can stop it, from Egypt, a state that is actually engaged in the world and needs to appear to be rational as opposed to Palistan-the world's first fully functional legitimate terrorist nation against which no one is allowed to complain or act. Now if Israel engineers a similar gerrymandering of logical control over Judea and Samaria with Jordan we'll be very close to the endgame with the Palestinians.

1. Egypt's not interested in annexing Gaza to Egypt and naturalizing its Pal residents.

2. The Pals aren't interested in the Egyptians running their show.

3. The Egyptians are interested in continuing to use the Pals in the war against us. By taking over, they would lose their cover. They're not stupid.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
1. Egypt's not interested in annexing Gaza to Egypt and naturalizing its Pal residents.

The never naturalized them before 67 - in fact giving away Gaza was merely Egypt's way of dealing with an underclass they didn't want. Interestingly though, this is not 67. This is the so called post modern age where countries like Egypt are supposed to make painless yet loud concessions to muliculturalism in order to gain access to western money and markets.

. The Pals aren't interested in the Egyptians running their show.

The Pals are rapidly losing any say in the matter.

3. The Egyptians are interested in continuing to use the Pals in the war against us. By taking over, they would lose their cover. They're not stupid.

Oh they can still cover themselves, to the other arabs at any rate which is the only cover they really care about. All they have to claim is the same thing Arafat claims "[palms up] what do you expect ME to do about it???" In the meantime the level of support the Mubarek dynasty gets from the west can be dialed into that relationship with the Israel. I'd have to say the Egyptians think they are a lot smarter than they think we think they are. Round up a few Palestinians, disappear some people, keep terrrorism down to a manageable level and avoid being a pariah state. In exchange they'd get some support in persecuting their own fundamentalists who want the the Mubarek clan splayed out and vulture food.

[mikuldj]

I fully support Sharon. Unfortunatly for me as a middle-rightist.. Likud is full of taxidrivers with much anger with arabs (justified) but less brains..

Lets do whats good for Israel!

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by mikuldj
Likud is full of taxidrivers with much anger with arabs (justified) but less brains..

For example?

Lets do whats good for Israel!

Other than cheerleading, what else do you have in mind?

[mikuldj]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
For example?

Well, I was thinking of average hardcore Likudnik.. bearing in mind that I support Likud. But rattionality isnt the average voters strenght, but Sharons.

Other than cheerleading, what else do you have in mind?

Ypu know the anser.. but what is you solution for the 3.5 million palestinians soon to be a majority? You cant get rid of them and they will make israel arab if we dont cut away. right?