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    Thumbs up US Congress approves resolutions in support of Israel

    Congress approves resolutions expressing support of Israel and its military campaign
    By DAVID ESPO
    The Associated Press
    5/2/02 5:25 PM


    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress clasped Israel in a warm embrace on Thursday, passing resolutions of support for the Jewish state and blessing its recent military campaign as an attempt at "dismantling the terrorist infrastructure" in Palestinian territory.

    "Let every terrorist know, the American people will never abandon freedom, democracy or Israel," said Texas Rep Tom DeLay, shortly before the House voted overwhelmingly in favor of nonbinding legislation. Recent attacks directed against Israelis, the House GOP whip added, "are attacks against liberty, and all free people must recognize that Israel's fight is our fight."

    "Israel has been under siege ... from a systematic and deliberate campaign of suicide and homicide attacks by terrorists," said Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., the leading sponsor of the measure that cleared the Senate. "Their essence is identical to the attacks on our country of Sept. 11," he said.

    Both measures said the United States and Israel are "now engaged in a common struggle against terrorism."


    But the bill that DeLay, a conservative who has been outspoken in his support of Israel in recent months, and Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., sent to the House floor was the more sharply worded of the two. It mentioned Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat by name and accused him of an "ongoing support of terror" in the wave of bombings against Israelis this spring.

    The House acted on a stand-alone resolution, passing it by 352-21. Twenty-nine lawmakers voted present, several of them saying they had wanted more balanced legislation. Lieberman and Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., offered their proposal as an amendment to trade legislation. The vote was 96-2.

    Lawmakers, eager to show solidarity with Israel, have long chafed at the silence the Bush administration asked of Congress at a time when American diplomats worked to stave off a wider outbreak of violence in the Middle East.

    With Israeli troops ending their military operation on Wednesday, lifting a siege of Arafat's headquarters, the White House gave its grudging assent to the inevitable.

    "The president understands Congress will speak its mind in a nonbinding fashion and the president will respect that," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters.

    Referring to the 535 members of Congress, he added: "The president also understands no foreign policy can have 535 secretary of states" -- words that seemed to say the administration was not endorsing the measures in all their particulars.

    Earlier, officials had urged Lieberman, DeLay and other key lawmakers to soften some of the language, and to insert phrases to express support for Palestinians.

    Many of those requests were rejected -- including a call to strip out references to "dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas." Both measures contained the phrase.

    The House bill stated that Israel's recent military operations were "an effort to defend itself against the unspeakable horrors of ongoing terrorism and were aimed only at dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas, an obligation Arafat himself undertook but failed to carry out."

    The House acceded to two or three requests from the White House, adding a provision that calls on the international community to "take action to alleviate the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people."

    A few lawmakers expressed concern with the legislation. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said he would have preferred to see Arafat identified by name in the Senate measure.

    Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., dismissed what he said was a "simplistic, one-sided" proposal that was political in nature and not in Israel's best interests. He and Sen. Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., were the two senators to oppose the measure.

    In the House, some lawmakers said a more balanced approach would have been preferable.

    "Resolutions like this can very well backfire and actually hurt Israel more so than it will help," said Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas.

    A steady stream of lawmakers spoke in favor of the bills in debates that unfolded simultaneously in the chambers at opposite end of the Capitol.

    The resolution calls upon all parties to work toward peace, said Smith. "But it does say it without equivocation, we stand with Israel on the front line in the war against terrorism," he said.

    "Israel has not asked for this war any more than we asked for ours against al-Qaida and the Taliban," Lantos told the House. "But when democracies come under terrorist attack, it is morally incumbent upon us, as the world's leading democracy, to express our solidarity. That is what this resolution does."

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    BIG day for Israel and for the US!


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    On the same subject:

    In the House, in a sign of growing tensions between President Bush and his conservative base, House Republican leaders and conservatives showed little patience for any calls for middle ground in the Middle East. The House majority leader even advocated a position supported by only the far right in Israel.

    "I'm content to have Israel grab the entire West Bank," said Representative Dick Armey, the majority leader from Texas in an appearance on MSNBC's "Hardball" on the eve of the vote. He added flatly under questioning, "I happen to believe that the Palestinians should leave."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/02/po...3CND-CONG.html

    Who is the guy? Did he actually ask the Israelis?

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    Its about time. This is the best day for Israel in a while.

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    A long overdue resolution and it shows a united front by Republicans and Democrats alike.

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    Originally posted by L@mplighterM
    A long overdue resolution and it shows a united front by Republicans and Democrats alike.
    94-2 That vote count says everything.

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    it for sure says a lot about the american two-party-regime, not so much about what the average Americans think...
    but even if it clearly are very biased resolutions, that will further undermine the credibility of the US in the world when it is bombing yet another population to ground-zero for some obscure reasons, nowhere i did see that Arafat was called a terrorist, as someone said to me in another tread?

    about Tom DeLay: http://majoritywhip.gov/news.asp?FormMode=SingleSpeech
    nice guy...

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    Recent polls made by CNN showed that the average American Joe wants their gov't to stay neutral in this conflict. I think 52 % wanted to stay neutral, 27 % support Israel and 2 % the PA's.

    But who cares about the people's voice anyway, huh? The Congress? House of representatives? Maybe the white house, after all, Bush was elected by a wide margin, wasn't he?

    But I do think Bush did some good proposels, (or Powel), and staying neutral in this conflict should have been the first step towards a good adminitstration. The Muslims will feel left alone another time by the US, and a new wave of terrorism will spread around American cities. US should stay neutral.

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    typical bullshit european response. you laugh that we don't know anything of the world and then make the dumbest childlike uninformed blathering retarded statements about us.

    do you think we ALL wear cowboy hats too?

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    Originally posted by Belgium@EU
    Recent polls made by CNN showed that the average American Joe wants their gov't to stay neutral in this conflict. I think 52 % wanted to stay neutral, 27 % support Israel and 2 % the PA's.

    But who cares about the people's voice anyway, huh? The Congress? House of representatives? Maybe the white house, after all, Bush was elected by a wide margin, wasn't he?

    But I do think Bush did some good proposels, (or Powel), and staying neutral in this conflict should have been the first step towards a good adminitstration. The Muslims will feel left alone another time by the US, and a new wave of terrorism will spread around American cities. US should stay neutral.

    Well I’m afraid that the US has chosen not to stay neutral. Actually I wouldn’t pay too much attention to a CNN poll because many Islamic Fundamentalist in the world most likely took part in the poll.

    Even though the administration in the US has wavered the recent votes by the elected officials show the true feelings of Americans.

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    Do you really think the US is going to support the following?


    "The Palestinians have redefined the conflict from one over borders, in which compromise may be a solution, into a religious war for Allah in which compromise is heretical," Marcus explains. Religious leaders in the Palestinian Authority who lead Friday services in mosques continuously emphasize the following eight points:

    * Jews are the enemy of Allah

    * The killing of a Jew is a religious obligation

    * All agreements with Israel are temporary in nature

    * Islam is fighting a religious war against the Jews

    * Palestinians are the vanguard in this war against the Jews, but all of Islam is obligated to assist them

    * All the of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is Islamic trust and any Muslim who relinquishes his land is damned to hell

    * Allah will replace Muslims who shirk their duty to fight Israel

    * The ultimate destruction of Israel is a certainty


    It appears that there's posters from the EU that supports it. It might as well read the killing of anyone that isn't a Muslim is an obligation.

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    Tom Delay Thursday, May 2, 2002 in the US House of Representatives

    It is time for every country in the Middle East to pass a fundamental test of the civilized world by unequivocally rejecting terrorism and acknowledging that bombings and other acts of terror render any underlying cause or grievance inherently illegitimate. It`s the test President Bush laid down in this chamber when he said: "You are with us or with the terrorists."

    The men and women of Israel must to know that we recognize the broader significance of their struggle. The attacks directed against them are attacks against liberty and all free people must recognize that Israel`s fight is our fight.

    Let every terrorist know, the American people will never abandon freedom, democracy, or Israel. America will never permit the Jewish State to fall to aggression.
    I think every country in the world should renounce terrorism (attacks against non-combatants) and recognize the right to life held by one another.
    Originally posted by takeo
    it for sure says a lot about the american two-party-regime, not so much about what the average Americans think...
    but even if it clearly are very biased resolutions, that will further undermine the credibility of the US in the world when it is bombing yet another population to ground-zero for some obscure reasons, nowhere i did see that Arafat was called a terrorist, as someone said to me in another tread?

    about Tom DeLay: http://majoritywhip.gov/news.asp?FormMode=SingleSpeech
    nice guy...
    Rather it says alot about the support the US has for Israel. Mr. Delay is speaking in the House of Representatives. A place that has elections every two years (we are in an election year) and if he or any other memer says anything their constituents don't like then they loose their jobs.

    If the Average American dislikes what he says or the Resolution that he helped get passed, then they need to get out a vote in the next election.

    I don't think the US is woried about its credibility any more than Israel is because we know that the rest of the world dislikes us anyway.

    I don't know if Mr. Delay is a nice guy, but does it matter. He dislikes terrorists just like the rest of the US and he would like to see it end everywhere.

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    CNN is using what is called "Cooked Polls". The People of the US have never voted for representatives that approved of ANY PALISTINIAN STATE WHAT SO EVER!!! The vote in Congress just reflected this reality.

    Notice tho..that the Bush ADMINISTRATION tried to stop this and then tried to "soften" the Resolution.

    ITS ABOUT TIME. They waited too long and let the "Good Cop-Bad Cop" routine go on forever.

    Its still going on. What is this I hear about yet ANOTHER conference? Meaningless cr-p.

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    I like people who want to stop terrorism in all the world, yet i think Tommy Delay only want to stop anti-american or anti-israeli terrorism, NOT terrorism against Cuba for example... (or wasn't he one of the defenders of a nicaraguan terrorist group called "contra's")?
    By the way he never condamned anti-abortus terrorists too.
    i provided the wrong link (altough of course his uncontional support for Israel is meaningfull too), the link i wanted to show you was to a speech he made for the christian coalition in which he condamned the liberal society and said that "judeo-christian principles" should lead the society, not liberalism. As the Judeo-christian values are contrary to modern democratic values he is an anti-democrat. He also comes from a family which engaged in the 60's against equal rights for black people.

    Lomplighters sees fundamentalists everywhere, even in CNN polls... fundamentalistomani? does it exist?

    Yes, it could be true the congess never affirmed the right of the palestinians to have an own state (yet the government signed the un-resolutions...) influenced (in what way...) by the zionist lobby, yet does it matter? Is the US a world governing body? is the US-congress the representation of the people's of the world? (i wonder if it is even the representation of the american people, instead of the representation of industry- and lobbygroups...)
    I have been to the US and most people (not wearing cowboyheats, except in oklahoma) i spoke with would rather agree with the last possibility...

    "I think every country in the world should renounce terrorism (attacks against non-combatants) and recognize the right to life held by one another. "

    agree 100% but of course including israel and the US... (i don't think undiscriminate attacks on Vietnamese villages recognise the right to life held by one another... nor do the calls for etnic cleansing of the palestinians or the war-crimes in Jenin...)

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    Originally posted by takeo
    As the Judeo-christian values are contrary to modern democratic values he is an anti-democrat.
    LOL!

    Is that part of the Communist manifesto these days?


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