Finally! US Congress approves resolutions in support of Israel

[NewsGuy]

I think that some of the Europeans and Arabs have a tough time understanding that the entire US Congress and Senate, which represent all of the people of the United States, firmly back Israel and think that Arafat is a two-bit terrorist and his Palestinian terror machine is the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

[L@mplighterM]

Bold posted by takeo:

Lomplighters sees fundamentalists everywhere, even in CNN polls... fundamentalistomani? does it exist?


Do you really have to ask if Islamic Fundamentalism exists? Do you really thing I’m the only one that sees Islamic Fundamentalism?

I’ll give you some facts! Once one side agrees to negotiate a peaceful solution to any conflicts and it’s accepted by the two parties everything prior to that point becomes moot.

Sharon had his hand outstretched in peace when a horrible attack occurred over the Passover Holidays. That makes the Palestinians the violators and should be held responsible for any actions that Israel takes to end the attacks.

Read Sharon’s speech to the Knesset April 08, 2002 and come back and tell me that this individual is a warmonger.

[takeo]

as you said before... words and deeds are two very different things...

And when Arafat stretched out his hand in december 2001 Sharon answered by more destructions and war against the palestinians...

Of course fundamentalists exist, no doubt, but I'm sure they are NOT the most people who participated to the CNN-poll and i'm also sure CNN and chirac are NO Islamic fundamentalists, as well as every Muslim in the world isn't necessarily a fundamentalist... and it's not because you resist the illegal occupation of territories that you are necessarily a fundamentalist...

yes judeo-Christian values are in contradiction to democratic values... just read the Bible and the Torah (and the Qoran for that matter...).
Democracy is about a free choice and a personal freedom to decide for yourself what's good for you, in Christian and Jewish religious tradition that's out of the question...
also "give to the King what belongs to the king"... the religious books are full of such connotations... not exactly democracy...

[L@mplighterM]

Bold posted by takeo:

And when Arafat stretched out his hand in december 2001 Sharon answered by more destructions and war against the palestinians...


Here we go again back into history. Oldest trick in the book answer a question with a question thus changing the subject. It might work with some but not with me.
Actually by changing the subject you admitted that I was right. Arafat was/is a terrorist.

[takeo]

of course...

don't charge me for something you are doing constantly...

Sharon's deeds never showed any outstretched hand but instead outstretched guns...

[takeo]

in any case he was never ready to stretch his hand out to the elected leader of the palestinian people.

arafat is a terrorist because lomplighter says so!!!

[gregg]

What do you call Arafats response to Barak, another outstreched hand?

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by takeo
of course...

don't charge me for something you are doing constantly...

Sharon's deeds never showed any outstretched hand but instead outstretched guns...

Well you know you're mistaken Sharon has tried to make peace with Arafat from day one. The man has shown remarkable restraint even today. The Palestinian people should be happy that he’s been so tolerant. No other leader in the world would have put up with a terrorist like that.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by takeo
in any case he was never ready to stretch his hand out to the elected leader of the palestinian people.

arafat is a terrorist because lomplighter says so!!!

I’m just stating facts takeo if they hurt your feelings it’s to bad.

[takeo]

Why are they facts?
because lomplighter and Sharon say so (and of course the mossad too, that well known lie-factory annex terror-highschool)

"The Palestinian people should be happy that he’s been so tolerant."

They are so happy with Sharon, really a kind person who cares for the Palestinians...

"The man has shown remarkable restraint even today"

of course, especially in Jenin, instead of bulldozering the whole place he only bulldozered the centre! Yes, this is a man of peace and negociations...
Really, he always tried to make peace with Arafat, from day one he did send some peace-letters to Arafat in rockets he fired on palestinian buildings, but the palestinians never found them...

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by takeo
Why are they facts?
because lomplighter and Sharon say so (and of course the mossad too, that well known lie-factory annex terror-highschool)

"The Palestinian people should be happy that he?s been so tolerant."

They are so happy with Sharon, really a kind person who cares for the Palestinians...

"The man has shown remarkable restraint even today"

of course, especially in Jenin, instead of bulldozering the whole place he only bulldozered the centre! Yes, this is a man of peace and negociations...
Really, he always tried to make peace with Arafat, from day one he did send some peace-letters to Arafat in rockets he fired on palestinian buildings, but the palestinians never found them...

Read Sharon?s speech to the Knesset dated April 08, 2002 and you?ll see that he?s truly a man of peace. He care?s very much for the Palestinians and that is very evident in his speeches. His tolerance towards Arafat and his thugs has been tremendous. I?m certain that his great restraint is equal to none in the world and it comes partly from his great compassion for human life. He has held back because he desperately did not want to destroy property and injure innocent individuals.

[takeo]

"Read Sharon?s speech to the Knesset dated April 08, 2002 and you?ll see that he?s truly a man of peace. He care?s very much for the Palestinians and that is very evident in his speeches. His tolerance towards Arafat and his thugs has been tremendous. I?m certain that his great restraint is equal to none in the world and it comes partly from his great compassion for human life. He has held back because he desperately did not want to destroy property and injure innocent individuals.Read Sharon?s speech to the Knesset dated April 08, 2002 and you?ll see that he?s truly a man of peace. He care?s very much for the Palestinians and that is very evident in his speeches. His tolerance towards Arafat and his thugs has been tremendous. I?m certain that his great restraint is equal to none in the world and it comes partly from his great compassion for human life. He has held back because he desperately did not want to destroy property and injure innocent individuals."

Where can i find that speech?
I'm in for a good laugh...
what pleases me the most is the serious undercooled humor of all this... as if you really mean it...

"I?m certain that his great restraint is equal to none in the world and it comes partly from his great compassion for human life. "

tell that to amnesty international and human rights watch... they seem to be biased against Sharon for some obscure reasons...

"His tolerance towards Arafat and his thugs has been tremendous. "

his rockets, bulldozers and tanks too


. "I?m certain that his great restraint is equal to none in the world and it comes partly from his great compassion for human life. "

wow, why didn't he got the nobel-price for peace yet? maybe because all those swedish are anti-semites...

"He has held back because he desperately did not want to destroy property and injure innocent individuals"

they seem to think diferent in Ramallah, Jenin, Bethlehem, Sabra, Shatila, the rest of Libanon, the rest of the occupied territories, the rest of the world, also the manipulated television images seem to think different. But of course all these people are biased and didn't met the real Sharon yet...

[L@mplighterM]

Look let’s not beat around the bush you’re a hardcore something or other and I’m not. I’m telling you straight here and now that Sharon is a man of peace and Arafat is not. Do you think I’m joking? I’m dead serious!!!!!!

In the coming days, weeks or months you’ll see Arafat disappear from the political arena. He will not be able to weather the 91 page book named “The involvement of Arafat, Palestinian Authority Senior Officials and Apparatuses in Terrorism against Israel, Corruption and Crime" it will become his death sentence. So I guess you’ll have to look elsewhere for a paycheck.

Anyways against my better judgment here’s the speech.





http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0lhp0

[thrud]

Originally posted by takeo
I like people who want to stop terrorism in all the world, yet i think Tommy Delay only want to stop anti-american or anti-israeli terrorism, NOT terrorism against Cuba for example... (or wasn't he one of the defenders of a nicaraguan terrorist group called "contra's")?

I do not know if Mr. Delay has anything to do with any terrorist organization. I do not know if he was involved with the Contras or if the Contras were anything other than revolutionaries who targeted the Marxist regimes in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

I am not aware of any terrorist (acts against non-cambatants) or even accidental civilian deaths (I am sure there were some though; there are always some in war) by the Contras. Regarding the anti-abortion freaks; they are terrorists who deserve the electric chair. I personnally hate abortion, but I know that laws in the US can not be changed by violence and I oppose anyone that wants to kill to scare another into change.

Originally posted by takeo
Yes, it could be true the congess never affirmed the right of the palestinians to have an own state (yet the government signed the un-resolutions...) influenced (in what way...) by the zionist lobby, yet does it matter? Is the US a world governing body? is the US-congress the representation of the people's of the world? (i wonder if it is even the representation of the american people, instead of the representation of industry- and lobbygroups...)

The US is not a world governing body and does not want to be. Americans do not want to tell people how to act any more than they want to be told what to do.

The US government is a representation of the people who vote. If the people who bitched about special interests actually voted, then there might be some real change, unfortunately most Americans are rather apathetic when it comes to politics except in time of war, or when the nations starts leaning too far to the left.

Originally posted by takeo
"I think every country in the world should renounce terrorism (attacks against non-combatants) and recognize the right to life held by one another. [takeo is quoting one of my earlier posts here]"

agree 100% but of course including israel and the US... (i don't think undiscriminate attacks on Vietnamese villages recognise the right to life held by one another... nor do the calls for etnic cleansing of the palestinians or the war-crimes in Jenin...)

My dad served three tours in Vietnam, my uncle two. My dad was a enlisted marine volunteer and the next two times were as a US Army officer. He was a Ranger the last two times. He says a lot of what the US did at that time was shameful, but it was very hard to tell who non-combatants were a lot of the time. He said also a lot of evil was done there by the US.

I think he was right, would I have been any better? I hope so, but right now I can fight the evil that is in my world and on the only battlefield available to me -- the internet. I can not strap on a gun and fight for Israel, I do not have that kind of freedom. I have a family to support.

You are French. Was France so innocent in Algeria? I dislike your selfrighteous condemnation when your own people have dirty hands. America is not perfect, but right now we are supporting the innocent women and children of a country that has never wanted war, but who it has always had it foisted on.

I want peace in the ME. I do not believe it will happen for a long time, but I think the Palestinians can stop acting like animals and attack real soldiers and not non-combatants having their Seder dinner or who are out shopping.

I dislike all murderers, their media and diplomatic apologists and their internet supporters.

[gregg]

Originally posted by takeo
As the Judeo-christian values are contrary to modern democratic values he is an anti-democrat. He also comes from a family which engaged in the 60's against equal rights for black people.

LoL remind me how many Muslim countries are democtratic, and how many Jewish countries are democratic.