investigatins the `no partner' for talks concept.

[Olivier]

two threads of mine have been edited of late, apparently by a moderator




the titles that have been altered are

"the real cause of the death of Arafat"

as been changed to
"Politicizing the Yasser Arafat's cause of death; or, what we don't know can hurt you.
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...1&postcount=70

I do not see what the added insinuation means... or what value added it brings

Bombing of French soldiers : Israelis involved

to

Bombing of French soldiers : Israelis involved, Satan unavailable for comment
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&postcount=126

I had not into of putting any satanic reference in the discussion

Overall, the objective of this person is harassment.
Arbitrary harassment because he does not share my opinions. Why leave intact threads which are either pure provocation of plain false and modify titles respecting forum rule? Why choose to distord the name of the threads I started?

let's see one example on naming a thread :

France: we will use the UN-mandate to continue the occupation of the Ivory Coast => this is plain lie, no french declaration was made about "occupating ivory coast".

and guess what, the guy who created the thread has been promoted moderator ! Now he can toy with what I say in total impunity...

Now If you want to see delirant threads titles just browse the forum..



Now what should I do ?
- I have first protested to the forum owner (newsguy), who answered that moderators are fully allowed change thread titles. This practice is discretionary and completely arbitrary. Any moderator can change a thread name to what he wants. Just because he feels like it.

Ok, now what do I do ? I can either
=========================
solution #1 - accept that the thread I start have a title perverting what the idea I defend.

solution #2 - stop posting and conceide victory to the harasser. This will also overjoy all here that do not share my opinions.


Now although it is certainly not good to give in to harassment, I have choose solution #2. As I wrote to the forum owner "you might as well have the guts to ask me to leave politely and I certainly would not insist".
But the idea that someone can pull strings and make me say what I do not want to say, just because he finds it fun is completely disgusting to me.

I do not know for you, maybe some of you find it fantastic to read a forum like this, but for me this is more than just hindering freedom of expression, this is plain pervert.

So bye all !


Overall I hope I have contributed adding value to the forum and interest to the reader.
I tried to start threads worthy of real debate and to documents my posts as well as I could! I tried not to answer provocation by avoiding the most aggressive of hateful posters.

On the statistic side, I started no less than 113 threads and wrote 1250 posts, which means I easily dedicated two hundred hours to the forum.

these are some of the threads I am the most proud of , Bush is elected, what can we expect in the next years?
• Good news for the Saudis and the iranians: Crude prices hit 21 year high
• Fight against Global warming : Kyoto Protocol becomes international treaty.
• teaching democracy (it's a picture !)
• If America were Iraq, What Would It be Like?
• Another legend down the drain : Iraq's Disappearing Elections (this one is likely to make a comeback)
• a no-win war against 1.3 billion Muslims
• Israel Has Long Spied on U.S alleges Counterpunch (I think this thread title has been manipulated as well)
• Moore's anti-Bush film wins top Cannes award
• Arab-Israeli Retaliation Tragic, Unhelpful
• Europe must not define itself against America
• about the dangers of blurring the lines between humanitarians workers and armies
• French troops deployed on Sudan border
• Military Draft in the US?
• Reaction in France on Sharon calling french jews to "leave immediately
• Torture by US forces is Iraq is not just isolated incidents (that thread is probably the one with the longuest debate : 481 posts)
• How can the damage of the torture photos be repaired? (with now a variant with the shooting of an unarmed wounded insurged in a mosque)
• Are we de-Baathifying or re-Baathifying this week? (that one was not a success, by it was fun)
• Rebirth at Ground Zero (don’t start optimistics threads here : no success)
• Real politics starting inside iraq? (ditto)
• U.S. Drops Effort to Gain Immunity for Its Troops
• 9/11 panel says there was ‘‘no credible evidence’’ that Saddam had ties with al-Qaida
• Big demonstration in Paris today against anti-Semitism
• europe grows : Israelis rush on europeans passport
• hostilities ending in Falluja? (lucky I put an interrogation mark on that one.. that was started in june)
• France to expel Muslim cleric over abuse

And it makes me extremely sad to realize all these titles can be perverted anytime…



…. So I have decided, that I prefer to remove some of my posts than to have what I mean manipulated against my will, it’s a bit sad, but it seems reasonable to withdraw from a debate when the debate turns out to be a fake. And of course I do not approve of the hatred shown by the people who manipulate this forum to their ends.

[Mediocrates]

Yet the article offers zero in the way of evidence or a suggestion that there was someone to negotiate with, or with whom. For the most part the article is a criticism of the Israeli security services, which the person in question was largely in a position to effect for better or worse.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Once again, Ollie Boy brings us the news that died soon after it started - a week late.

Notice how Ollie and company are nowhere to be seen on the threads that reveal their own country's ineptitudes, corruption and crookedness?

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Yet the article offers zero in the way of evidence

The article is about a hot debate taking place in israel now about this question. I think it is not self-sufficient and should be debated/complemented.

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Yet the article offers zero in the way of evidence

The article is about a hot debate in israel now. It does not encompass the whole debate and should be debated/complemented.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Olivier
The article is about a hot debate in israel now.

See above and wake me up when Ollie finds a new and fresh issue to discuss.

Ollie's ignore list just keep making him look dumber and dumber. Maybe somebody with is (still) not on his ignore list would like to make him aware of the fact.

[David_in_NYC]

How the hell would Olivier of France know what the hot debate is in Israel? Especially when he religiously blinds himself to any information that is not French-socialist propoganda?

Come on, we're talking a guy that needs to take off his shoes to count to 11.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by David_in_NYC
Come on, we're talking a guy that needs to take off his shoes to count to 11.

HE should be able to make it to 12 that way.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Olivier
The article is about a hot debate in israel now. It does not encompass the whole debate and should be debated/complemented.

Well not really, in so far as there is no debate. A debate would mean there is some group in a representative democracy that thinks it has something to gain by negotiating as it were. But there isn't - No one contests that Arafat imagines himself the one true leader of all Palestinians everywhere. No one really contests that you agree with him. No the issue is, to what plausible gain? Entertaining Arafat's cynical paranoid delusional hypocricy just because Europe is too lazy to think of anything else - including bolstering Queria, the one person, they themselves supported to take some power away from Arafat - doesn't in any way indicate there is any 'there', there. No I think several decades of lying, murdering, double dealing from Arafat is enough.

The fact is that Arafat is no different from any other tinpot tyrant who's eroding power base eventually is little more than the man himself screaming his importance. And events and reality overtake them.

All over the world Cannibal Kings, Bemedalled Generalissimos, Supreme Leaders, Most Blessed Beneficent Presidentos and Maximum People's Poltiburo Secretary of the Revolucion overstep their relevance and their place in history and get deposed, exiled, killed and washed out with the rest of the trash. Negotiating with a useless appendage such as Arafat is not only a waste of time, it is counterproductive in light of the real power base in Hamas & co.

[Oh Jerusalem]

There is no debate because the original story in Ha'aretz was false, plain and simple. So admitted Amos Malka himself, live on Israel public radio the day after the article was published. This is a non-issue.

Ollie might catch on, if someone not on his ignore list would quote me in full.

[David_in_NYC]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
There is no debate because the original story in Ha'aretz was false, plain and simple. So admitted Amos Malka himself, live on Israel public radio the day after the article was published. This is a non-issue.

Ollie might catch on, if someone not on his ignore list would quote me in full.

That makes him 2 for 2 in the past 24 hours... the "no Iraq/AQ ties" BS has been thoroughly repudiated by the 9/11 commissioners themselves. Funny, Olivier didn't post THAT report.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by David_in_NYC
the "no Iraq/AQ ties" BS has been thoroughly repudiated by the 9/11 commissioners themselves. Funny, Olivier didn't post THAT report.

That would require honesty, integrity and the ability to garner up to date news, which Ollie seems not to have access to.

Maybe his mouse has 2 LEFT buttons.

[Hierophant]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
...
Ollie might catch on, if someone not on his ignore list would quote me in full.

and destroy the humor? lol

[Oh Jerusalem]

Anyway, there is a partner. At least the Sharon aligned lackies thing so:

FM Shalom: We Must Negotiate with the PA
13:52 Jun 21, '04 / 2 Tammuz 5764

(IsraelNN.com) Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom was quoted by Ynet as saying there is no alternative but to negotiate with the PA regarding the Gaza separation plan.


Stupid Jews.

[KSO]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Anyway, there is a partner. At least the Sharon aligned lackies thing so:

FM Shalom: We Must Negotiate with the PA
13:52 Jun 21, '04 / 2 Tammuz 5764

(IsraelNN.com) Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom was quoted by Ynet as saying there is no alternative but to negotiate with the PA regarding the Gaza separation plan.


Stupid Jews.

Stupid Jews who finally make smart statements...