France Steps Up Its Investments in Iran

[Mira~]

Originally posted by takeo
good, we are helping to make Iran more affluent and westernised and making bucks at the same time, we are also stepping up our investments in Cuba.

The US economic blackmail won't help to make Iran more moderate, rather on the contrary. This kind of policy encourages isolation, destitution, poverty and extremism, the European approach on the other hand encouurages countries to become more open, more wealthy and more business-minded, which in turn will influence political decisionmaking and general mentality as well.

You have a point about economic sanctions. The Iraqi experience as well as North Korea illustrate your point pretty well. But the international community still needs to have access to non-military means in which to discipline rouge regimes. You can't just treat a country like Iran in a business as usual manner. Look, you can complain all you want about how messed up US foreign policy is when it came to sanctions in Iraq, but at least our government didn't stoop to the level of France and derive an economic benefit from the oil for food program. France also provided the Khartoum regime with military intelligence and both France and Germany provided helicopters that were used by the regime for ethnic cleansing.

Dominique de Villepin (French Foreign Minister) demanded along with the United States that Iran sign the additional protocols of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003. Iran continues down the path towards nuclear proliferation. The EU was pressuring Iran to comply with the IAEA’s demands by linking the matter to EU’s trade relations with Iran, but France's policies are not in-line with the rest of the EU on that. So we see an inconsistent approach from Europre and an aggressive approach from the US, and Iran continues down the road towards nuclear capability and all the while they fund groups like Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad.

[Mediocrates]

Stay away from the Contrex. It's a diuretic.

-ja I went to the flea markets on the northside of Paris and sold my old NY State licence plates for a bunch of money. Odd people the French. They hate American popular culture but they're obsessed with it. Anything American - the kitchy-er the better, Velvet Elvis, the whole shebang.

[Mediocrates]

Takeoista policies only make sense if you don't want concrete things in exchange. As long as you accept the blackmail approach of the Mullahs while ignoring what they do regionally to foment violence and terrorism. You give them money open their markets regardless of what they do then there is zero incentive for them to change.

For example; why even worry about Iran's nuclear program and IRBM/ICBM programs. You could simply outfit them with a French nuclear aircraft carrier (they have 1, and the DeGaulle is plagued with design and operational problems including leathal radiation leakage). Otherwise whatever you sell or develop with them will simply result in then achieving their nuclear goals by other means.

Unless you actually engage in detente or something like it or at least acknowledge that potentially hostile enemies are not locked into your strategic goals then all you are doing is paying baksheesh.

[Mediocrates]

Of course they have to be able to deliver the goods too:

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/20...e/06_24_1.html

MOSCOW [MENL] -- Russia could lose lucrative nuclear contracts in wake of its failure to complete the Bushehr reactor project in Iran.

Russian analysts warned that Moscow's failure to meet its deadline for the completion of the Bushehr nuclear reactor pointed to the susceptibility of the government to U.S. pressure. They said that such a perception would scare off other countries from signing nuclear contracts with Russia.

Over the last few months, the analysts said, Russia failed to win a tender for the construction of two reactors in Finland. The analysts said the government in Helsinki concluded that Russia could not be counted on to keep any commitment to complete a nuclear project.

"The Iranian project is a good possibility for Russia to prove its capability in this field," Radzhab Safarov, director of the Center for Studying Modern Iran, said. "But it has been building one reactor for about nine years now which creates a certain image of the country. If the construction rates of the Bushehr nuclear power plant do not increase, Russia may lose other tenders as well."

[Semsem]

[The US economic blackmail won't help to make Iran more moderate, rather on the contrary. This kind of policy encourages isolation, destitution, poverty and extremism, <<

. France is helping a terrorist State that murdered 400 Jews in Argentina. Hope it won't bring France luck.

[Semsem]

I>> also wish to take the advantage to condemn the embargo against Cuba in the strongest possible terms. US is aiding and financing dictators all over the world but Cuba is harshly embargoed because... yes why exactly? perhaps their cigars are a danger to public health?<<

If yo were a Cuban forced to flee Cuba yuo would not make such insensitive statements. The majoruty of Cuban refugees in the US support the embargo.

[Semsem]

[ >>This way you are only boosting the imams.<<

No you French are boosting the Imams by supporting their economies.

>>I think you didn't learn anything from iraq. <<

I think you French learnt nothing since Petain. Stop your condescending arragant remarks.

[Semsem]

<<which is clearly unacceptable and condamned even by the closest ally GB.<<

So what? Screw GB. Screw France most of all.

[Semsem]

>>I don't hate the US, only the US-policy,>>

Bull. No difference.

<<. And I think many people around the world think likewise, they all like holywood and "friends" and they all hate Bush <<

Who the F cares what they think. Jerks. Anybody who HATES is a JERK.


<< it's a phenomenon around the world from cuba over Africa and Europe to Asia...<<

Yes the PRIMITIVES all HATE BUSH.

[Semsem]

guess an Israel boycott would be fully justified though, according to you?

Well said. Theses French who don't want to boycott Iran and Cuba would loooooove to boycott Israel.

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
I went to the flea markets on the northside of Paris and sold my old NY State licence plates for a bunch of money. Odd people the French. They hate American popular culture but they're obsessed with it. Anything American - the kitchy-er the better, Velvet Elvis, the whole shebang.

As a matter of fact, you could live the same kind of experience in the US.

Odd people the Americans.




About Cuba, I wish a more active anti-castro policy from Europe. Castro putting poets or writers in jail for years just because they oppose him. This is one of the things that are unacceptable. (Note I didn't yell 'Invade Cuba )

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Semsem
[ >>This way you are only boosting the imams.<<

No you French are boosting the Imams by supporting their economies.

>>I think you didn't learn anything from iraq. <<

I think you French learnt nothing since Petain. Stop your condescending arragant remarks.

Why did it take so long for someone to respond with this most elementary trhuthful reply?

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Olivier
As a matter of fact, you could live the same kind of experience in the US.

Odd people the Americans.




About Cuba, I wish a more active anti-castro policy from Europe. Castro putting poets or writers in jail for years just because they oppose him. This is one of the things that are unacceptable. (Note I didn't yell 'Invade Cuba )

No not really, I can't think of any pop cultural things that are French. The closest you come is Algerian Rap music. See we recognize that it's kitsch.


Oh it's more than poets and writers. It's many teachers, civil servants, media people, the gays and just about anyone else who expresses an opinion about something. According to your model for national behavior its some kind of massive warcrime but as we know Good Marxist Revolutions don't commit crimes, only fat dumb white people do.

[Olivier]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Oh it's more than poets and writers. It's many teachers, civil servants, media people, the gays and just about anyone else who expresses an opinion about something.

yeah

[Mediocrates]

What an odd sig. Iraqis prisoners are now Jesus. And the dogs I suspect are the Christ killing Jews.