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    French Bias Anyone?

    The Man Who Exposed French Media's Anti-U.S. Bigotry on Iraq
    Jeremy Bradshaw

    LONDON – The French media were guilty of gross distortion in their coverage of the war in Iraq, and of systematically misleading the French public, says a journalist who has been sacked for exposing France’s anti-American, anti-war bias.
    Alain Hertoghe, 44, a writer with French national daily La Croix, was so incensed by the collective misreporting of the French media that he decided to publish a paper highlighting the way the French press misled the French public in their reporting of the Iraqi war and the events that led up to it.

    Hertoghe claims that the press repeatedly provided coverage and reports that were “systematically contradicted by the facts.”

    The media in Paris were driven by anti-American, anti-British feelings and a shared hope that the Iraq war would end in defeat for President Bush and his allies.

    In pursuing such an agenda the media were dancing to the tune set by President Jacques Chirac, who unashamedly launched repeated tirades against “the Anglo-Saxon” policy against appeasement.

    The French leader claimed at the time to enjoy the unquestioning support of the French public. Now Hertoghe’s analysis indicates that the French people were duped by an irresponsible French media that deliberately provided misleading reports and accounts.

    His book, "La Guerre a Outrances: comment la presse nous a desinformes sur L’Irak" (The War of Outrages: how the press misled us on Iraq), published in October, has caused such an upset his bosses have dismissed him from his post as deputy editor of their paper’s Internet site.

    La Croix claims that by publishing the book, the journalist damaged the interests of the newspaper, and so breached his terms of employment.

    Hertoghe, a former foreign correspondent, says his analysis was an objective look at an important event that divulged nothing confidential about his paper.

    His book points out that a look at the five leading dailies in France – Liberation, La Croix, Le Figaro, Ouest-France and Le Monde – shows that during the critical three weeks of the war these papers carried 135 anti-U.S./U.K. headlines and only 29 headlines hostile to dictator Saddam Hussein.

    As the first whistle-blower, Hertoghe has ruffled many feathers in the French elite. France's media have ostracized the publishers of his book, Calmann-Levy.

    One 'Blind' Paper Sees the Light

    In a bizarre twist, one of the papers much criticised by the journalist, left-leaning La Liberation, has now rallied to Hertoghe’s support.

    In a recent editorial, Daniel Schneiderman wrote in La Liberation: “This pamphlet will remind journalists cruelly how we can be blind in the heat of the moment.”

    Schneiderman himself was sacked from Le Monde last October, after apparently raising questions about Le Monde’s coverage of the war.

    The French elite are only slowly adjusting to the reality that 25 million Iraqis were liberated by the U.S.-led war and that Saddam Hussein is behind bars.


    Intolerance of American- and British-Style Dissent


    Outsiders suggest the time is ripe for the French media to re-examine how they behaved during the Iraq war and the period leading up to it. Many foreign commentators noted during the conflict just how little time or space was made available to alternative or dissenting views in the French media, in contrast to the British media and the American media.

    Hertoghe says that as a Belgian who came to France in 1988 he felt the pre-war debate was not conducted as openly or fairly as it should have been.

    Double Dose of Extreme Arrogance


    In part this was a result of an unholy mixture of French arrogance and journalist arrogance, which at the time created a frenzy of patriotic fervor in France, where nearly everyone seemed drawn into the anti-war campaign.

    Now it seems that the French people were force-fed a limited diet of information that cynically produced a synthetic consensus for the tough anti-American line of Chirac.


    Hertoghe says the media “recounted nonsense but have never explained to the readers why we recounted nonsense.”


    Ties to Chirac and Thus to His Ally Saddam


    Also, unnoted in Hertoghe’s report but undeniable, approximately 80 percent of French media is owned by the country’s two large military contractors, who obviously have close ties to the government. So much for an independent press in the land of liberty, fraternity and equality.


    Another news story about it:


    French Paper Fires Reporter for Exposing Anti-U.S. Bias


    There are media even more biased than ABC's Peter Jennings: A French newspaper has fired a journalist who revealed the quisling French media's Saddamite bigotry against the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

    Alain Hertoghe’s "La Guerre a Outrances" (The War of Outrages) slaps the French media for continually and falsely predicting the war would end badly for the coalition that cowardly France refused to support.

    "Readers can't understand why the Americans won the war," Hertoghe told the Associated Press. "The French press wasn't neutral."

    The book notes that French "reporters" were more jingoistic than journalistic in writing their lies.

    Hertoghe, a Belgian, examined daily coverage by five major dailies: Le Monde, Le Figaro, Liberation, Ouest-France and his employer, La Croix. Over three weeks, the rags printed only 29 headlines condemning the genocidal dictatorship of French ally Saddam Hussein but 135 attacking President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair.


    "As soon as there were a couple of wounded, of dead, they were talking about Vietnam, Stalingrad," Hertoghe said, whereas journalists who actually did their jobs and traveled with the troops to report reality observed that "the war was advancing well."

    France's poor excuse for journalists, he notes in his book, "dreamed of an American defeat."

    La Croix fired Hertoghe on Dec. 15 after the embarrassing book was published, AP reported today.

    The five rags, taking a cue from the New York Times, have refused to mention the book exposing them.

    "The silence is deafening" in France, though there have been rave reviews in Belgium, said Ronald Blunden, editorial director of Hertoghe’s publisher, Calmann-Levy.
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    Luke90
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    I'm not going to try and defend the French Press because I'm not familiar with them.
    However, it is hardly an outright victory in Iraq yet as the article seems to suggest.
    "Readers can't understand why the Americans won the war,"
    Since the war was declared won, hundreds more american troops have been killed.

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    Illuminatus
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    I'm sorry Like90

    But where does the article imply or suggest that someone (or something)
    declared -- " an outright victory in Iraq " ?

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    Luke90
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    To me it seemed to imply that the declared end to war proved the doubters wrong.

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    Illuminatus
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    Well Luke90, - that's a somewhat different implication.

    First of all no one has "declared end to war".

    "Mission Accomplished" yes - but the global war on Islamo-Fascism
    & terror will go on for another two generations.

    Second, no one has been " proved the doubters wrong."

    Jeremy Bradshaw simply wrote that:
    [..The French elite are only slowly adjusting to the reality that 25 million
    Iraqis were liberated by the U.S.-led war and that Saddam Hussein is
    behind bars. ..]

    There are still 83 year old Hitler worshipers in Germany and elsewhere,
    why should the "French elite", who did all they could in their power to
    keep Saddam Hussein in power -- be any different?

    It may take decades to prove to the "French elite" that the Liberation
    of the Iraqi people (and the region) from a mass-murderer was a good
    thing.

    Ever so slowly - they (and maybe yourself) will get use to the idea
    that there are no longer mass-graves --> http://massgraves.info/
    and genocide, invasions of neighbors and a general sense of fear
    in the Persion Gulf region.

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    TDidier
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    Sorry, one thing to say:

    of course that SHussein behind bars is an excellent thing, but about mass murder actualy, US achieve in 18month what SH did in 8years, what a toll...
    100.000 direct death caused by invasion, according to "the Lancet" (study published in).




    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminatus
    Well Luke90, - that's a somewhat different implication.

    First of all no one has "declared end to war".

    "Mission Accomplished" yes - but the global war on Islamo-Fascism
    & terror will go on for another two generations.

    Second, no one has been " proved the doubters wrong."

    Jeremy Bradshaw simply wrote that:
    [..The French elite are only slowly adjusting to the reality that 25 million
    Iraqis were liberated by the U.S.-led war and that Saddam Hussein is
    behind bars. ..]

    There are still 83 year old Hitler worshipers in Germany and elsewhere,
    why should the "French elite", who did all they could in their power to
    keep Saddam Hussein in power -- be any different?

    It may take decades to prove to the "French elite" that the Liberation
    of the Iraqi people (and the region) from a mass-murderer was a good
    thing.

    Ever so slowly - they (and maybe yourself) will get use to the idea
    that there are no longer mass-graves --> http://massgraves.info/
    and genocide, invasions of neighbors and a general sense of fear
    in the Persion Gulf region.

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    Luke90
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    I know many people here dislike TDidier but he does make a good point about civilian casualties.

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    danholo
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    Not only is the civilian death toll appalling infilcted by both the US Armed Forces and Iraqi insurgents but I find it amusing when an American patriot who is against Israel tries to mock Israel by using the casualties it has inflicted as a weapon.

    On another board a member sticks to how immoral the IDF is because it causes so much civilian casualties and even has the nerve to accuse Israel of not indicting its soldiers who are guilty of murder. What hypocrisy. Not only do American soldiers murder they usually act like normal people in a war field like any other people in Europe for 2000 years. "Rape, pillage, burn!"

    Fortunately there haven't been any accusations of rape against American soldiers. At least this is one thing I know Israelis are totally innocent in.

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    TDidier
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    Force a prisonnier to put a chimic lamp in his a*s isn't a sort of rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by danholo
    Not only is the civilian death toll appalling infilcted by both the US Armed Forces and Iraqi insurgents but I find it amusing when an American patriot who is against Israel tries to mock Israel by using the casualties it has inflicted as a weapon.

    On another board a member sticks to how immoral the IDF is because it causes so much civilian casualties and even has the nerve to accuse Israel of not indicting its soldiers who are guilty of murder. What hypocrisy. Not only do American soldiers murder they usually act like normal people in a war field like any other people in Europe for 2000 years. "Rape, pillage, burn!"

    Fortunately there haven't been any accusations of rape against American soldiers. At least this is one thing I know Israelis are totally innocent in.

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    goliath
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    T.did.

    Quote Originally Posted by TDidier
    Force a prisonnier to put a chimic lamp in his a*s isn't a sort of rape?

    Where are you excavating to find that kind of details , if you think that your , muslim did better , no ; extreme atrocities are in your side ,ever , you can give us lesson on that field ,unfortunately.

    You're a real Start Up ,in detesting Americans and Jews , but never be consolidated.
    Last edited by goliath; 12-17-2004 at 07:19 AM.

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    Illuminatus
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    Where do you pro-Saddamite people get your numbers?

    The "100,000 dead" casualty figure used in a report cited by
    the Guardian is full of holes.

    Even IBC (Iraq Body Count) wrote this word of caution:

    [..The Lancet study's headline figure of "100,000" excess deaths is a
    probabilistic projection from a small number of reported deaths ..]

    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/

    Better yet - Slate has a problem with it too and asks:
    " 100,000 Dead—or 8,000 "

    [..This isn't an estimate. It's a dart board. ..]

    Honestly, you Saddamites whining about the "100,000 Iraqi dead" really
    should review the actual facts - not an "estimate" and try to stop
    listening to old recordings of Saddam Hussein speeches.

    (you might even consider putting aways his posters and the portrait
    you have hanging over the fireplace.....ok ok maybe that's too much,
    how about after the holidays? : )

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    TDidier
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    Quote Originally Posted by goliath
    Where are you excavating to find that kind of details , if you think that your , muslim did better , no ; extreme atrocities are in your side ,ever , you can give us lesson on that field ,unfortunately.

    You're a real Start Up ,in detesting Americans and Jews , but never be consolidated.
    This was one of the Abu Garib practice

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    TDidier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminatus
    The "100,000 dead" casualty figure used in a report cited by
    the Guardian is full of holes.

    Even IBC (Iraq Body Count) wrote this word of caution:

    [..The Lancet study's headline figure of "100,000" excess deaths is a
    probabilistic projection from a small number of reported deaths ..]

    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/

    Better yet - Slate has a problem with it too and asks:
    " 100,000 Dead—or 8,000 "

    [..This isn't an estimate. It's a dart board. ..]

    Honestly, you Saddamites whining about the "100,000 Iraqi dead" really
    should review the actual facts - not an "estimate" and try to stop
    listening to old recordings of Saddam Hussein speeches.

    (you might even consider putting aways his posters and the portrait
    you have hanging over the fireplace.....ok ok maybe that's too much,
    how about after the holidays? : )

    The Lancet is the most respected medical publication in the world, and those sort of statistical projection are perfectly valid used worldwide disease survey technic.

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    KettleWhistle
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDidier
    100.000 direct death caused by invasion, according to "the Lancet" (study published in).
    Read it again. It was the top ceiling of a theoretical projection. The real number is around 20,000, and many of these are victims of "insurgents," not of the U.S. Stop lying to us.

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    minusthejihad
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    It makes me sick that the more Iraqis that die, help justify people like TDiaper's point. Its as if they secretly cheer at the deaths, "well, at least it makes the US look bad!"

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