Fascination with Rabin

[Oh Jerusalem]

Exactly. That's why most criticism of Israeli politics is not anti-semitism but rather fair and worthy criticism. Palestinians simply don't deserve to suffer because of the suffering of others.

Their suffering is Arab and self-inflicted.

Certainly, Jews should not suffer either and that's why a wall along the green line makes a lot of sense. Don't negotiate, just build the necessary wall to protect the troops behind it.

Sorry, we suffered enough from them here for the last 80 or so years. Before we get pushed into the sea, it's time to push them into Jordan.

[Sheherazade]

Exactly. That's why most criticism of Israeli politics is not anti-semitism but rather fair and worthy criticism. Palestinians simply don't deserve to suffer because of the suffering of others.

Certainly, Jews should not suffer either and that's why a wall along the green line makes a lot of sense. Don't negotiate, just build the necessary wall to protect the troops behind it.

You have to understand that there is Palestinian resistance to the wall, and I have a feeling that they would resist it no matter where is was situated. On the other hand though, in order for a concept like this to work, there needs to be defined Palestinian territory that is contiguous, not scattered pieces. That would involved movement of populations both Israeli and Palestinian to which there will most definately be great protest from both sides. In a perfect world.......................... well, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.

[Independent]

You have to understand that there is Palestinian resistance to the wall, and I have a feeling that they would resist it no matter where is was situated.

True. That is why UN troops are needed to seperate Israel from Palestine until things settle down. UN troops must come with a two-state solution not only to protect Palestinians from radical Jews, but also to protect Jews from radical Palestinians.

On the other hand though, in order for a concept like this to work, there needs to be defined Palestinian territory that is contiguous, not scattered pieces. That would involved movement of populations both Israeli and Palestinian to which there will most definately be great protest from both sides. In a perfect world.......................... well, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.

I guess that I'm alone in this area with my belief that people should become citizens of the country that they live in. If people don't want to be citizens of the countries that they live in, then they should move. Of course, I don't know how the Palestinian government could provide all of the people who live in Palestine with proper protection and offer them equal rights. But, I also don't understand why settlers would want to move to Palestine and lose their Israeli citizenship.

From my observations, the fear of something that has never been tried before is the greatest obsticle to peace, causing the violence that one is accustomed to, to continue. Nevertheless, it is a fact that in order to change the status quo, one must try something different that has never been tried before.

[TheMagus]

Independant -

You are not alone in thinking that people who choose to live in a country should be willing to become its citizens. I concur.

In fact, I think one reason for Jewish cultural schizophrenia is that they are always "conflicted out" if they live in any country other than Israel. Even in the USA.

[Mediocrates]

From my observations, the fear of something that has never been tried before ....

Fear of extermination. Unlike the Israeli Arabs, Yesha Jews would be subject to actual real life non abstract death. That sits just fine with you because you use the threat of murdering someone as an excuse to get that person to move. I submit this is the Arab way: to pogrom whomever they wish and then throw up their hands and say "no one is forcing you to live where you are unsafe."

I imagine we could apply the same pretext to Palestinians living in Kuwait or Syria or as has been in press recently; Iraq, where Palestinians are being hounded and harassed. I mean if they aren't safe there they should just move. Wouldn't you agree? Anywhere your neighbors don't want you, that should be reason enough for you to flee and never complain about because that what's fair, yes? I fully agree. Almost everywhere the middle east Palestinians are unwanted second class citizens or non citizens - what's good for the goose....?

[Mediocrates]

You have to understand that there is Palestinian resistance to the wall, and I have a feeling that they would resist it no matter where is was situated.

Of course but that's not the point. Mestizo Indians in central America I'm sure resent their padrons, Iraqi Sunnis resent Iraqi Shiites. For over 80 years the imaginary culture called Palestinian has been given opportunity after opportunity to come to terms with that and every single time they chosen murder and squalor to every other option. Some societies just make catastrophically bad decisions - I suspect the Palestinians is just one more to that list.

[rextilleon]

Never thought I would see the day where my fellow Jews take pleasure in the assassination of a duly elected Prime Minister. I guess we are becoming the dehumanized animals that many Arabs have become. Its shame. I thought we were better then that.