Anti-semitism

[Belgium@EU]

Every time I make a comment on Israel, and critizise Sharon, I'm accused of anti-semitism. When somebody makes comments on France, Belgium or the EU he gets the full support. Ofcourse critizing France is legal, it's a democracy, but when it comes to Israel, they always get behind the same old argument of anti-semitism. That's just stupid, and using this kinds of arguments will only put Israel in an even weaker position. The holocaust was a terrible thing to happen, but why does Israel always justify what they are doing now, while I see a clear parallel between what Germany did in the early 30's (before the camps and the Gas chambers) in what Israel is doing right now. Is saying the truth anti-semitism? Anti-semitism is a form of racism, just like zionism. It's so easy to condemn somebody of being anti-semite: France, the EU, while these people have nothing against Jews in particular but against the killing of civilians.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Anti-semitism is a form of racism, just like zionism.

Are you saying Zionism is racism?

[Belgium@EU]

Yes zionism is a form of racism. But zionism is not the same as semitism. Semitism is ok for me, but zionism is extreme.

[thrud]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
When somebody makes comments on France, Belgium or the EU he gets the full support.

I don't know if the always get full support. I am fairly anti-Europe and I do think that the official policies of Europe have been anti-Semitic in the past and that some of them still are.

I do not think Zionism is racism. As a Later-day Saint, I am a Zionist of sorts. Most of us think that going to the Salt Lake Valley was to establish a land where we could worship freely and escape from religeous persecution in the East, in Illinios,and Missouri. This is Zionism, not racism. We didn't kill any of the natives, the US Army did when they came to tell us that we could not worship as freely as we wanted to.

I think the Zionist movement is only intended to establish a land for the Jews to live and worship in as they wanted.

[Mediocrates]

Belgian, you get today's Utter Load Of **** Award - -

You defend racism by claiming antiracism. You call other people racists and piss and whine that other people call you racist. You are not a hypocrite; you are their God!!

[Vic]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Yes zionism is a form of racism. But zionism is not the same as semitism. Semitism is ok for me, but zionism is extreme.

Semitism?. Never heard the expression. What does it mean?

[Moon]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
France, the EU, while these people have nothing against Jews in particular but against the killing of civilians.

That's ********!! They are against the killing of palestinian civilians. I never saw any European "peace activist" urging Arafat to condemn suicide attacks against Israelis.

That typical comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany is really awsome. Can you please explain that "clear parallel" instead of simply saying that A equals B and waiting for us to simply accept that? I guess it's too dificult for you to explain is it?

[Belgium@EU]

Well, first of all, Israel expanded its territory with 50 % in the 1967 war, compare this to the "lebensraum" of Germany (Czech rep, Austria ...).

Germans were also performing raids on villages.

And the resistance who fought against the Germans got all support from the west, but some of them you can also define as "terrorists". Blowing up trains with civilians ... you get my point?

It's not to difficult to explain. I also said Germany in the early 30's, before the 1938 revolution.

[Moon]

I see your point.

I hope you don't mind but I've put you in my Ignore list.

[Mediocrates]

when putsch comes to shove.....

[Belgium@EU]

Originally posted by Moon
I see your point.

I hope you don't mind but I've put you in my Ignore list.

I really don't care

[Metal_Girl]

I do not like to see two of you not talk with each other like that. Belgium and Moon. COme on. But I must say, that of course racism is bad, always, we must not discriminate, against jews, or palestiniians, or blacks, or like that. We are all humans no?

-Leila

[Gatorade]

Originally posted by Belgium@EU
Well, first of all, Israel expanded its territory with 50 % in the 1967 war, compare this to the "lebensraum" of Germany (Czech rep, Austria ...).

Israel could have had a lot more terrority (don't know the actual percentage but Isreal could be something like 80% bigger) if it kept the Sinai. And the Sinai has oil.

Israel was willing to give back the West Bank in 1967. It made a proposal that would lead to a Palestinian state in 2000 and before that set up the PA to goven Palestinians living on the West Bank. It doesn't want the West Bank. It wants peace.

And Israel didn't attack Jordan to gain the land. It acted in its own defense. It could be argued if Israel attacked Egypt or if Egypt closing the Straits of Tiran was a declaration of war. But Israel didn't attack Jordan. Jordan attacked Jerusalem after they thought that Egypt was winning a battle with Israel.

Poor analogy.

[Evolution]

In defence to the EU, it is an incredibly tolerant place. Very few people across the union have a problem with any one. I myself have never experienced trouble anywhere in the EU.

[Belgium@EU]

Originally posted by Evolution
In defence to the EU, it is an incredibly tolerant place. Very few people across the union have a problem with any one. I myself have never experienced trouble anywhere in the EU.

I'm glad somebody has spoken up. It's wrong to judge the EU of being intollerant if you don't know anything about it or its politics.