Antisemitic cartoon in Le Monde

[Semsem]

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/dessins_du...1-78583,0.html


This is a cartoon in the French newspaper Le Monde; a very respected paper. You see a Jewish family in Paris at the dinner table. One is wearing a Yamuka / cappele. The other man has a beard and looks to me as if he has a big nose.

Outside yuo can see the Eifel Tower with the French flag floating in all it's glory.

They are watching TV. On the TV you see an Israeli soldier with a Star of David on his helmet. He is shooting at an Arab with a grenade in his hand.

One of the Jews says: It's Sharon again proposing that we seek refuge in the Middle East.

To me it's somewhat antisemitic. Let us not forget that it was Chirac / France that proposed to Arafat not to sign the Peace Agreement and to hang on for more.

[Mediocrates]

That's his wife, you're looking at it backwards. And what's with the picture of a rat smoking a cigarette?

Anyway it's pretty clumsy since any Orthodox family would never eat while watching TV and talking on the phone.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Anyway it's pretty clumsy since any Orthodox family would never eat while watching TV and talking on the phone.

Once in a millenium we do.

[Gilgamesh]

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/dessins_du...1-78583,0.html


This is a cartoon in the French newspaper Le Monde; a very respected paper. You see a Jewish family in Paris at the dinner table. One is wearing a Yamuka / cappele. The other man has a beard and looks to me as if he has a big nose.

Forget the nose! I have a big streight Jewish nose and no nose is pretier then mine!!!

One of the Jews says: It's Sharon again proposing that we seek refuge in the Middle East.

To me it's somewhat antisemitic. Let us not forget that it was Chirac / France that proposed to Arafat not to sign the Peace Agreement and to hang on for more.

The Cartoon is anti semetic because is ignores the situation in France, which is similar to that of eve of a pogrom. While the security situationi in Israel dramaticly improved since Pass over 2002, operation defensive shield, and the situation is improving constantley.

The prodominate leftic thinking about the conflict, is of a cycle of violance, meaning that terrorism can not be beaten by military-police tactics. The reality is, ofcourse, different. Since the death of Yassin and Rantissi like the constraction of the fence, the level of terrorism droped sharply.

[Semsem]

>>The Cartoon is anti semetic because is ignores the situation in France, which is similar to that of eve of a pogrom.>

Exactly you have a very good point. It ignores the fact that these French Orthodox Jews who wear the kippot cannot walk safely in French streets. At least they can in Israel.

[Gilgamesh]

>>The Cartoon is anti semetic because is ignores the situation in France, which is similar to that of eve of a pogrom.>

Exactly you have a very good point. It ignores the fact that these French Orthodox Jews who wear the kippot cannot walk safely in French streets. At least they can in Israel.

Exactly! The words I was missing! Thanks Semsem!

[L@mplighterM]

What’s with the picture of the rat smoking?

[Mediocrates]

Yeah that's what I said. WTF is that?

[Gilgamesh]

What’s with the picture of the rat smoking?

You noticed that!
It's a trade mark of the cartoonist. Most cartoonists have "seacret" trade marks they bury and hide among the details of the picutre... for example, for Ra'anan Luria, it's a tiny sun.

But that French cartoonists... has SEVERAL trade marks of this kind... like the little french flag, usually on top of the hat of Chirack (in the cartoons), but the flag will apear in all the cartoons, with or without Chirack.

The star of David on a soldier's helmet, is typical for Arab cartoons... Which seems the cartoonist like to study... "get ideas"...

[frizzer1]

Anti-semitic? Get a grip.It aint even close to that.It's a political cartoon,nothing more and although you may disagree with the point the cartoonist makes,it is not racist in any sense.

[Olivier]

Thanks for posting this cartoon.

What’s with the picture of the rat smoking?

You can find this mouse somewhere in all cartoons by Plantu.

But now you ask this, I think you found something : it might be a reference to the Great Jewish-American Comic Maus. The mouse doesn't look like this usually.



Note this cartoon reflect what lots of people here in France think about sharon's call for the jews to flee : fleeing france on the ground they will be safe in israel is somewhat a paradox. Today there are much more at risk of being wounded or killed in israel.
And I'm not talking about a lower quality of life and joblesness. It's taboo in Israel, but more than 25% of french olim actually come back to France...


If there was a specific thread here each time a jew is killed there would be zero thread on france, some on the US (guns being quite common in the US and the level of violence not comparable to what we have in france) and threads about israel galore.

Don't think I take any pleasure at this situation. But asking jews to run for their life ... to israel is just a paradox.

[Gilgamesh]

Anti-semitic? Get a grip.It aint even close to that.It's a political cartoon,nothing more and although you may disagree with the point the cartoonist makes,it is not racist in any sense.

Al righty then. The political point of the cartoon is anti Zionist (Jews got no reason to go to Israel), false (there is violance in Israel in away that make life impossible) which add up to become an anti semetic point of view.

I does seem that we over use holocaust terminology and throw anti semetic alot. But then again, anti semetism has persice defenition and corollaries. Many of the statement, or political views do stand in our defenitions.

Anti Zionism is anti semetism.

Anti Zionist claim Jews are not a nations (ie. There is something called "French of Jewish faith", instead of Jews living as ethnic national minority). Anti Zionism means French Jews home is France, and Jews living France are either traitors or self decalring their are of other nation and disloyal.

[Gilgamesh]

Thanks for posting this cartoon.

You can find this mouse somewhere in all cartoons by Plantu.

But now you ask this, I think you found something : it might be a reference to the Great Jewish-American Comic Maus. The mouse doesn't look like this usually.

You may be right. Great book, "Mouse". Strongly recommand.

Note this cartoon reflect what lots of people here in France think about sharon's call for the jews to flee : fleeing france on the ground they will be safe in israel is somewhat a paradox. Today there are much more at risk of being wounded or killed in israel.

There is no paradox. Israel fights terrorism, and terrorism level went down dramaticly. Israel is safe, very safe.

And I'm not talking about a lower quality of life and joblesness. It's taboo in Israel, but more than 25% of french olim actually come back to France...

The world never been smaller. With globalizations, more and more Jews are able to live in one country and work in an other. Many businesses are spreaded world wide. For Jews, golbalization and business travel is very common. We Jews have "Global businesses" for over a thousand years. The "Olim" who go back to France, is misleading. He simpley saw no reason, yet, to close to business... and be sure the children and elderly are in Israel, safe and sound.

Living standards in Israel are on the rise all the time. Either way, in Israel a Jew is free to walk to a synagogue and were a Kippah (Yarmukle) when ever and how ever he wants too. No youth, no police officer would trouble him for his existance. In Israel the police is also Jews and the youth too, were Yarmukles.

Last I hear, joblessness in France, and in deed in Europe is fast on the rise.

If there was a specific thread here each time a jew is killed there would be zero thread on france, some on the US (guns being quite common in the US and the level of violence not comparable to what we have in france) and threads about israel galore.

Not all criminal violance is anti semetic or racist, and the American police fights crime. In france, too much crime has anti semetic nature. The problem is not only the physical casulties (which are still few), but anti semetism progress. We fear a pogrom, and French athorities turning a blind eye to riots against Jews. We do not fear the rain, we fear the storm. We do not fear graphity or stone throwing but fear the riots. hostilaty peaks - the near future pogroms and lynches.

Don't think I take any pleasure at this situation. But asking jews to run for their life ... to israel is just a paradox.

Israel is safer for Jews then any other place on earth. Because only in Israel, Jews are responsible for their own protection. Israel is not only practicle safety but peace of mind. No fear from authorities, police, drunkness, anti semetic crime... No old Jewish lady in Israel, will be stoned for being Jewish in main street. No neighbors you can not trust, no authorities or curts biased against one, who is Jewish. This peace of mind HAS no substitute

[Semsem]

Anti-semitic? Get a grip.It aint even close to that.It's a political cartoon,nothing more and although you may disagree with the point the cartoonist makes,it is not racist in any sense.

It is racist. The carriacature of the Jew with the beard and the big nose comes from der Stuermer. The Israeli soldier with the Star of David shooting at the Arab is from Arab cartoons similar to Der Stuermer, the Nazi paper.

[Mediocrates]

I really don't think Art Spiegelman (creator of Maus) would appreciate being compared that way.