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    Elisheba
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    Arab Guide to the 2004 US Election

    The Arab and Iranian press have increasingly discussed the upcoming American presidential election. Most journalists are pulling for a Kerry victory. Other commentators have said that the choice between the two is like "choosing between cholera and the plague."

    The Iranian press has been particularly active in monitoring the elections. The editor of the Egyptian Al-Gil newspaper, Nagi Al Shihabi, was interviewed by the Iranian Al-Alam TV on June 13, and said: "The U.S. wants to eradicate our religious and Islamic identity. Bush declared a Crusader war following the events of 9/11…The U.S. established its country over the body parts of 120 million Indians. We must first define the enemy. The no. 1 enemy of the Arab and Islamic peoples is the U.S. and not only Israel…Bush, Allah willing, will go to hell in this coming November."

    During his Friday sermon in the city of Qom, broadcast by Channel 2 of Iranian TV on June 19, preacher Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli called on Americans to vote against Mr. Bush: "We advise the people of America not to continue to tolerate this oppressing, ignorant, pillaging, criminal, and discriminating administration. In the future, do not vote for Bush and his ilk."

    Writing in the Tehran Times on June 17, Kian Nader Mokhtari praised Senator Kerry, and hoped that he would triumph over the "neo-Nazis" of the Bush administration: "It has long been a tradition in U.S. politics for irresponsible gun-toting Republican presidents to pass on unresolved dilemmas to their Democratic replacements, and Bush will be no exception…Kerry is exactly what the U.S. needs… Kerry's sensible and methodical approach will no doubt go some distance in solving the stinking heap of a mess left over by Bush and his neo-conservatives — for a minute there I was going to type neo-Nazis!...He [Kerry] may be remembered as the president whose decisions saved the U.S..."

    The Lebanese minister of information, Michael Samaha, also discussed the election on Syrian TV on March 30: "The most important thing that could happen in the coming American elections if Kerry wins is that the neo-conservatives leave. They have a complete ideology regarding their treatment of the world and specifically the Middle East and the Near East to which we belong. If they leave, the real American America will return."

    In an article in Al-Ahram weekly on April 18, an Arab-Israeli member of Knesset, Azmi Bishara, called on Arab-Americans to "rethink their alliance with Bush" and "shift their votes from Bush to Kerry."


    By Steven Stalinsky
    Isralert@aol.com source: http://www.jewishworldreview.com

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    It shows how stupid and pathetic the French/Arab political front is. They naturally assume that anyone who is not the person they hate the most is the person they love the most. Does any rational person actually believe that John Kerry is some kind of Manchurian Candidate who's going to get elected and then proclaim the US the People's Islamic Republic of Americastan?

    Look to American history, the biggest hawks on foreign policy have always been the Democrats.

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    Terrorists for Kerry

    No Republican has ever attacked anyone with a nuclear weapon though this is only due to the lack of opportunity. Maybe Iran and North Korea will help the Republican’s pull ahead.

    I wonder if the Kerry Campaign will list the Iranian endorsements on their web site.

    ”Terrorists for Kerry” we can’t survive four more years of Bush

    I can’t see how any American could bring themselves to vote for a candidate so popular with our enemies. It would be like Israeli voters following the suggestion of Arafat.

    My Motto is to do the exact opposite of what your enemies want you to do.

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    philingraham
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveMetch
    No Republican has ever attacked anyone with a nuclear weapon though this is only due to the lack of opportunity. Maybe Iran and North Korea will help the Republican’s pull ahead.

    I wonder if the Kerry Campaign will list the Iranian endorsements on their web site.

    ”Terrorists for Kerry” we can’t survive four more years of Bush

    I can’t see how any American could bring themselves to vote for a candidate so popular with our enemies. It would be like Israeli voters following the suggestion of Arafat.

    My Motto is to do the exact opposite of what your enemies want you to do.
    How do you know exactly what it is our enemies want us to do ?
    You could make a good case that invading Iraq was exactly what Osama wanted us to do.

    Kerry and Bush are flip sides of the same coin. The danger in a Kerry Administration is that it seems a new President always has to establish his bona fides by using the Military in yet another display of short sightedness. Bush, at least, is showing some signs of having learned from his mistakes. Is this a good enough reason to vote for Bush ? It would help if he actually developed his own Foreign Policy...

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    Elisheba
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    Quote Originally Posted by philingraham
    The danger in a Kerry Administration is that it seems a new President always has to establish his bona fides by using the Military in yet another display of short sightedness. Bush, at least, is showing some signs of having learned from his mistakes. Is this a good enough reason to vote for Bush ? It would help if he actually developed his own Foreign Policy...
    There's more danger in a possible Kerry Administration than your post indicates.

    Mrs. Kerry's support of The Tides Foundation is ominous indeed.

    Speakers at the Democratic Convention indicated great hostility toward the State of Israel. Democrats who are now winning primaries include such Jew-haters as Cynthia McKinney.

    For the first time, Jews might actually desert the Democratic Party ... that is, if they/we don't wish to be partners in our own destruction.

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    Angry A bit on Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)

    The Council on American – Islamic Relations (CAIR) issued a news release congratulating Cynthia McKinney on her win in Georgia’s 4th Congressional District primary.

    McKinney, who lost her seat in the last election, is strongly supported by CAIR, as indicated by the following statements from their news release:

    “We congratulate Cynthia McKinney on her strong showing in Tuesday's primary. Throughout her political career, she has been a consistent friend of the American Muslim community and a strong advocate for issues of concern to Muslims, particularly the promotion of social justice and the defense of civil liberties.”

    "Ms. McKinney's integrity has long been reflected in her commitment to the concerns of ordinary Americans and her promotion of balanced and forward-looking foreign policies."



    Anti-CAIR (ACAIR) is immediately suspect of anyone so strongly supported by CAIR. As for McKinney herself, we feel we are justified in saying those voters in her district who support her simply do not know what she is about.

    A little background: Two years ago, prior to the Iraq invasion, McKinney had this to say about the attacks of September 11, 2001:

    “We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th.... What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered?... What do they have to hide?”

    Who was giving McKinney direction to make this outrageous statement?

    "Radical Islamic groups are supporting the congressional candidacy of Cynthia McKinney, who seems a shoo-in over her GOP opponent as she seeks to regain the seat in Congress she lost in 2002. McKinney may be the "Manchurian Candidate" of Islamic terrorism.”

    The people of the 4th district in Georgia have made their choice and it appears not much stands in the way of McKinney’s election…except common sense. Maybe it will rain common sense on the 4th district prior to the election?

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    philingraham
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisheba
    The Council on American – Islamic Relations (CAIR) issued a news release congratulating Cynthia McKinney on her win in Georgia’s 4th Congressional District primary.

    McKinney, who lost her seat in the last election, is strongly supported by CAIR, as indicated by the following statements from their news release:

    “We congratulate Cynthia McKinney on her strong showing in Tuesday's primary. Throughout her political career, she has been a consistent friend of the American Muslim community and a strong advocate for issues of concern to Muslims, particularly the promotion of social justice and the defense of civil liberties.”

    "Ms. McKinney's integrity has long been reflected in her commitment to the concerns of ordinary Americans and her promotion of balanced and forward-looking foreign policies."



    Anti-CAIR (ACAIR) is immediately suspect of anyone so strongly supported by CAIR. As for McKinney herself, we feel we are justified in saying those voters in her district who support her simply do not know what she is about.

    A little background: Two years ago, prior to the Iraq invasion, McKinney had this to say about the attacks of September 11, 2001:

    “We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th.... What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered?... What do they have to hide?”

    Who was giving McKinney direction to make this outrageous statement?

    "Radical Islamic groups are supporting the congressional candidacy of Cynthia McKinney, who seems a shoo-in over her GOP opponent as she seeks to regain the seat in Congress she lost in 2002. McKinney may be the "Manchurian Candidate" of Islamic terrorism.”

    The people of the 4th district in Georgia have made their choice and it appears not much stands in the way of McKinney’s election…except common sense. Maybe it will rain common sense on the 4th district prior to the election?
    Suggesting that Kerry is in the pocket of Radical Islamic groups is absurd. It conributes only confusion to the debate. Regardless of what Cynthia McKinney has to say it will have NO influence on a Kerry Administration.

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    Elisheba
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    Quote Originally Posted by philingraham
    Suggesting that Kerry is in the pocket of Radical Islamic groups is absurd. It conributes only confusion to the debate. Regardless of what Cynthia McKinney has to say it will have NO influence on a Kerry Administration.

    Right.

    Just like Teresa's contributions to terrorist front organizations will have NO influence on a Kerry administration.

    Just like Kerry's announcing of recycled Israel-haters as those he would like to send as 'peacemakers' to Israel.

    Just like Kerry's faith in the UN and the IC(IN)J.

    Right.

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    philingraham
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisheba
    Right.

    Just like Teresa's contributions to terrorist front organizations will have NO influence on a Kerry administration.

    Just like Kerry's announcing of recycled Israel-haters as those he would like to send as 'peacemakers' to Israel.

    Just like Kerry's faith in the UN and the IC(IN)J.

    Right.
    Kerry's entire record in the US Senate supports Israel.

    Since when does Israel pay any attention to "US Peacekeepers" ?

    Teresa will go the way of Hillary, Laura, Barbara, Nancy etc etc...

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    Elisheba
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    Angry

    Quote Originally Posted by philingraham
    Kerry's entire record in the US Senate supports Israel.

    Since when does Israel pay any attention to "US Peacekeepers" ?

    Teresa will go the way of Hillary, Laura, Barbara, Nancy etc etc...
    Here's an example for you: FY2000 Foreign Aid Conference Report: Kerry opposed pro-Israel position (although it passed 51-49); however, I am more concerned about the paradigm shift between the 2 parties over Israel, i.e. the FUTURE.

    What are "US Peacekeepers"? Was that perhaps a Freudian slip and you meant "UN Peacekeepers"? Of course, Israel pays no attention to the UN, an organization which is blatantly anti-Israel! However, with a January 2005 US policy change which will include a pro-Eurabia POV, a sea change will occur. Again, I speak of the FUTURE.

    You really think Teresa will go the way of the other first ladies you listed? How adorably naive of you! She holds the purse strings for her husband and she strongly supports anti-Israel positions.
    Last edited by Elisheba; 08-03-2004 at 03:54 PM. Reason: misspelling (oops!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisheba
    We must first define the enemy. The no. 1 enemy of the Arab and Islamic peoples is the U.S. and not only IsraelAllah willing, will go to hell in this coming November."

    "We advise the people of America not to continue to tolerate this oppressing, ignorant, pillaging, criminal, and discriminating administration. In the future, do not vote for Bush and his ilk."

    This is shocking!!!!

    I never realized that Bush was so bad.

    I think I will join Medio and vote for the pro-Israeli Kerry. After all, Kerry, the French, the other Europeans and the UN have only the best interest of Israel in mind.

    And of course....Kerry is a real soldier's soldier. So, as a Vet I can relate to his macho possiblities in striking terror in the mind of Islamic untermenchen.



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    Elisheba
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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred
    This is shocking!!!!

    I never realized that Bush was so bad.

    I think I will join Medio and vote for the pro-Israeli Kerry. After all, Kerry, the French, the other Europeans and the UN have only the best interest of Israel in mind.

    And of course....Kerry is a real soldier's soldier. So, as a Vet I can relate to his macho possiblities in striking terror in the mind of Islamic untermenchen.




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    philingraham
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred
    This is shocking!!!!

    I never realized that Bush was so bad.

    I think I will join Medio and vote for the pro-Israeli Kerry. After all, Kerry, the French, the other Europeans and the UN have only the best interest of Israel in mind.

    And of course....Kerry is a real soldier's soldier. So, as a Vet I can relate to his macho possiblities in striking terror in the mind of Islamic untermenchen.


    As a Vietnam Vet I can relate to the fact that he VOLUNTEERED, served, came back and told the current Rumfelds that the war was fu*ked.

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    Elisheba
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    Quote Originally Posted by philingraham
    As a Vietnam Vet I can relate to the fact that he VOLUNTEERED, served, came back and told the current Rumfelds that the war was fu*ked.
    Thank you for your service.

    Kerry served 4 months and then threw other men's medals away; stating they were his own. Not cool ...

    I wish we didn't have to make this about Vietnam. I don't believe the present situation is the same at all.

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    philingraham
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisheba
    Thank you for your service.

    Kerry served 4 months and then threw other men's medals away; stating they were his own. Not cool ...

    I wish we didn't have to make this about Vietnam. I don't believe the present situation is the same at all.
    The current situation bears a relationship to Vietnam only in the sense that it is about Nationalism. Any occupying army could expect the same thing we are experiencing now. The Baathist, the Shias, the Kurds will sooner or later determine what the future face of Iraq will be. They will track down and kill al queda once we get the hell out of there.

    In the meantime they have justified suspicions about our real motivations and will try to act together. If our intent is to create a democracy, regardless of how absurd that may be, that is one thing. However, if our intent is to secure "The American Way of Life", for a few more years then we can expect more of the same...

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