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What is a third generation Palestinian with no unique, religion, language, culture, race, history or nation?
From the article:
"It doesn't matter who dies," says the boy himself, "just as long as they're Israeli." The boy's mother blames Israel for turning her son into a hatemonger. "They've made him violent and hate them," she says of her American-born son...
These sentiments are shocking coming from American citizens. They go way beyond expressing support for a Palestinian state or even antagonism toward the policies of Israel -- or the United States, for that matter -- both of which are acceptable political viewpoints. These Palestinian Americans are expressing views one doesn't expect to find outside the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade or among its sympathizers. They express a contempt for the rule of law and an allegiance to an extremist, foreign ideology that is antithetical to American values.
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I guess that says it all...
It might say it all, but it sure gets me wondering what the future will bring.
On the flip side of this, I haven’t seen that many Jews in the US publicly support Israel as much as I thought they would. There are the radio talk show types who do and people like Alan Derchowitz, but the Hollywood crowd has mostly been silent. I hear more public support to Israel coming from religious conservatives people than from Jews themselves.
A victim. Period.Originally posted by Mediocrates
What is a third generation Palestinian with no unique, religion, language, culture, race, history or nation?
Why not just go along with his normal life? The trouble is he doesn't want to be anything else.
Originally posted by Gatorade
On the flip side of this, I haven’t seen that many Jews in the US publicly support Israel as much as I thought they would. There are the radio talk show types who do and people like Alan Derchowitz, but the Hollywood crowd has mostly been silent. I hear more public support to Israel coming from religious conservatives people than from Jews themselves.
I think there’s a lot of support from the Jewish Community in the United States and elsewhere for Israel.
I don’t really see the article as one where up to third generation Palestinians living in the US support a negotiated settlement in the ME. My understanding is that Arabs have been steadfast in negotiated settlements. I see the article as young misguided individuals supporting terrorism against innocent unarmed civilians. All people should be against terrorism no matter where they live.
The same mentality can be found among third generation Muslims residing throughout the west. One would think that they would have become westernized to the point where strong condemnation against suicide attacks would be coming from them.
Evidently that isn’t the case throughout the world. I would certainly think that these same individuals would support bin Laden and the likes. So in effect what were left with is individual’s throughout the world that supports the destruction of western civilization.
I for one cannot differentiate between any of the Islamic Fundamentalist organizations whatever their name they are one of the same.
Just for the sake of precision: a supporter of "suicide attacks" (or any other attacks on Israelis) is not necessarily an islamic fundamentalist. The Fatah itself doesn't fall in this category.Originally posted by L@mplighterM
The same mentality can be found among third generation Muslims residing throughout the west. One would think that they would have become westernized to the point where strong condemnation against suicide attacks would be coming from them.
Evidently that isn’t the case throughout the world. I would certainly think that these same individuals would support bin Laden and the likes. So in effect what were left with is individual’s throughout the world that supports the destruction of western civilization.
I for one cannot differentiate between any of the Islamic Fundamentalist organizations whatever their name they are one of the same.
Originally posted by Vic
Just for the sake of precision: a supporter of "suicide attacks" (or any other attacks on Israelis) is not necessarily an islamic fundamentalist. The Fatah itself doesn't fall in this category.
Right or wrong I see the Fatah as a branch of Islamic Fundamentalist groups. It may be that it’s generally not viewed as such but I don’t care to see it that way.
Arafat is in my books an Islamic Fundamentalist in the closet and he set it up. I’d settle for calling the Fatah a quasi-military Islamic Fundamentalist force that keeps the balance between the Islamic Fundamentalist groups.
An American of Palestinian decent, third generation in the US, what is he a victim of? Here is a subculture that continues to build an image of hatred in its children around the world. These children will be the ones to go on funding this lunacy for decades. Who knows which of them will "take it to the Americans." And to think, we have to support their right to be bigots and pay to have them voice it on NPR!Originally posted by Vic A victim. Period.
I'm sorry if my somewhat rhetorical question was unclear. What I meant was, what affinity does one attach to someone who is a US citizen, third generation from a background that has no nation, no language, no culture, no religion, no history that one could reasonably call one's own or unique or nameable in any distinct way. All over the world diaspora groups from Jews to Armenians to Tamils who claim some distinct affinity have at least something to back that up. Or barring that they have some bizarre melange of left wing politics and history like the Peruvian Shining Path, or they're simply criminals like the Columbian narco terrorists and make no other claim.
The question you have to ask yourself is, what is the basis of Palestinian action. I submit that things here, like most things in life are simpler than they look and Palestinian claims and action are firmly grounded in nothing more sophisticated than power and control. Palestinians all over the mid east are held in untermenchen status by their own Arab brethren yet they don't rebel? Why is that. Because they know from experience that the response would be and has been utter violent fury. The only party who's not willing to extinguish them completely is the Jewish state. So to war they go with the Jews in the faint hope that fighting someone who seeks only parity will lend to the PLO cause some legitimacy. This is an of itself is the agenda that keeps the PLO at its work.
Personally, this is no different to me than what the Black community (I think that is the current classification) has brought to America, only with a lot less violence. My heritage is Irish/Jewish/English/?????. I am an American, born and raised. Though I appreciate my heritage, I cannot make demands of the Government based on that heritage.Originally posted by Mediocrates what affinity does one attach to someone who is a US citizen, third generation from a background that has no nation, no language, no culture, no religion, no history that one could reasonably call one's own or unique or nameable in any distinct way. ...
The question you have to ask yourself is, what is the basis of Palestinian action. ...
The "Native American" has a much great, more legitimate claim to reparations and restitution, but little is heard from that community. Perhaps the answer to the Palestinian problem is to put them on"reservations" and let them be isolated into oblivian.
He obviously wants to perceive himself as one. Maybe it's a sort of adolescent thing about being someone special, quite out of the ordinary?Originally posted by JustPat
An American of Palestinian decent, third generation in the US, what is he a victim of?
Could be, my 16 year old daughter has the same delusions.Originally posted by Vic
He obviously wants to perceive himself as one. Maybe it's a sort of adolescent thing about being someone special, quite out of the ordinary?
And now imagine her being fed the kind of propaganda the Palestinian kids are subjected to. What would be the result?Originally posted by JustPat
Could be, my 16 year old daughter has the same delusions.
I wonder why no one mentions child abuse in this context.
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