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    UN Urged to Protect Muslims Who Change Religion

    UN Urged to Protect Muslims Who Change Religion
    By Patrick Goodenough
    CNSNews.com Pacific Rim Bureau Chief
    August 02, 2004

    Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) - Campaigners for religious freedom have urged the United Nations to act to protect "Muslims who choose to convert to another faith."

    A petition signed by almost 90,000 people in 32 countries was presented last week to U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour, the organization spearheading the campaign said Monday.

    The Barnabas Fund, a UK-based charity working among Christians in Islamic societies, said Muslims who change religions, often called "apostates," should be "free to do so without having to face a lifetime of fear as a result."

    The organization's advocacy manager, Paul Cook, said the petition was launched a year ago on behalf of apostates who face persecution and prejudice in many countries.

    Under Islamic (shari'a) law, Muslim men who decide to adopt another belief and refuse to return to Islam -- usually within a limited period of time -- may be put to death.

    It remains a contentious point in Islam, but countries where people have been accused or convicted of apostasy include Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Mauritania.

    In 2002, a shari'a-based penal code was introduced in a Malaysian state controlled by an Islamist party. It said any Muslim who converted to another faith had three days to repent, failing which he faced having his property forfeited and being sentenced to death.

    The criminal code of Mauritania similarly provides for a three day period of reflection and repentance for any Muslim guilty of apostasy "whether by word or action." "If he does not repent within this time limit, he is to be condemned to death as an apostate and his property will be confiscated by the Treasury."

    Although the Koran says "there is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256), the Islamic canonical tradition called the Hadith contains references to execution for apostasy, including one in which Mohammed commands, "Any [Muslim] person who has changed his religion, kill him."

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    According to the Barnabas Fund, even in countries where converting to another religion is not punished by law, apostates often face hostility from their families and communities.

    The organization said supporters of the campaign had over the past year written to Muslim political and religious leaders around the world, "urging them to speak out on this crucial issue."

    In Britain, it said, not only has there been no reply from the Muslim Council, the main umbrella body, but also "virtually no response" from leaders of major Christian denominations who had been contacted.

    "It is a tragic day when so few politician or religious leaders can be found who are prepared to stick their necks out by simply publicly affirming the most basic of human rights to change one's religion," said Barnabas Fund international director Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo.

    He noted that the right to change religion had been enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for more than 50 years.

    Sookhdeo said he hoped and prayed that campaign would "help to end the turning of a blind eye to the suffering of converts from Islam, and instead put their desperate needs firmly on to the international human rights agenda where they very much belong."

    Last April, four experts held a panel discussion on apostasy in Geneva where the U.N. Commission on Human Rights was holding its 60th annual session.

    One of them was Dr. Younas Sheikh, an intellectual who was freed in November 2003 after spending three years in prison in Pakistan accused of "blasphemy," most of that time on death row.

    The Arabic word kafir has been used to describe both an "apostate" and a "blasphemer."

    The Barnabas Fund says many people accused of "apostasy" are not converts at all, but rather Muslims who have questioned fundamentalist interpretations of Islam and called for a more tolerant approach.

    They include Sudanese Islamic scholar Mahmoud Mohamed Taha, who was executed for apostasy in 1985, after publishing a leaflet calling for the reform of Islamic law to make it more just and humane.

    In 2002, Iranian history professor Hashem Aghajari was sentenced to hang for blasphemy, after saying in a speech that Muslims were not "monkeys" and "should not blindly follow" clerics.

    The death sentence was later reviewed after widespread student protests, and a retrial saw him jailed for five years instead. Last week, Aghajari was freed on bail.

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    Justcurious
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    An outsider like myself can't help feeling the changing of religion is always voluntary and should be totally free. It's your choice what you believe in, it is nobody else's concern!
    Last edited by andak01; 08-10-2004 at 03:55 AM.

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    Roland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    An outsider like myself
    Outsider? WTF?? Outside of what exactly are you?
    Outside of any religion or culture or politics? Or of any society?
    What ever happens in the world does not concern you and it's not you fault, therefore you aren't oblieged to do anything or participate in anything, not your business to make the world a better place? Anyway, there are only trees around you, right?
    Your're right about your feelings about freedom of choosing your religion, at least, I say. But even you will be concerned if all your neighbours (those funny little guys that show up in your forests from time to time) choose islam and you're known as the infidel from the forest

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    Justcurious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland
    Outsider? WTF?? Outside of what exactly are you?
    Outside of any religion or culture or politics? Or of any society?
    Outside of any religions.

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    Roland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    Outside of any religions.
    Nope. You want to say, that you are an atheist. That's is just another religion.

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    Justcurious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland
    Nope. You want to say, that you are an atheist. That's is just another religion.

    This has been discussed before, but you may not have noticed it. I am not an atheist, but an agnostic. Ever heard that word?

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    andak01
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    An outsider like myself can't help feeling the changing of religion is always voluntary and should be totally free. It's your choice what you believe in, it is nobody else's concern!
    The Quran states as much. I don't know how things are done elsewhere, but here in America, where I witness apostates everyday, they are left to go about their business. Apostates TO Islam have a little harder row to hoe! I have witnessed several become homeless and lose their jobs and families. I was pretty lucky that way myself, my family was fairly accepting and I have kept in touch with most of my friends from before.

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    Roland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    This has been discussed before, but you may not have noticed it. I am not an atheist, but an agnostic. Ever heard that word?
    (Nah, can't read all these threads here, I have a life, a family and a job - and I could not care less about your personal preferences.)
    The difference is philosophical.
    Atheists don't believe there is some kind of god. Agnostics aren't so sure.
    You know, you don't know, you know?
    The rest is depending on how much socratic details you'd want to chew on.
    But it is religion, nonetheless.

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    Justcurious
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    Quote Originally Posted by andak01
    The Quran states as much. I don't know how things are done elsewhere, but here in America, where I witness apostates everyday, they are left to go about their business. Apostates TO Islam have a little harder row to hoe! I have witnessed several become homeless and lose their jobs and families. I was pretty lucky that way myself, my family was fairly accepting and I have kept in touch with most of my friends from before.
    This is all too familiar among Jehovah's witnesses! Especially family ties are often completely cut.

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    Justcurious
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    I wonder what happens if a Jew prefers some other religion? Should happen nothing, but this is just a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    I wonder what happens if a Jew prefers some other religion? Should happen nothing, but this is just a question.
    I'm willing to bet that they aren't kidnapped, held against their will, and beaten repeatedly in attempts to get them to recant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    I wonder what happens if a Jew prefers some other religion? Should happen nothing, but this is just a question.

    We kill a puppy. Now get in line.

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    David_in_NYC
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    Actually, there's the formality of the ritual beheading and the sucking of the life's blood as it spurts with great force from the severed aorta. Oh, and your mother will make you feel really, really guilty.

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    Donna
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    Quote Originally Posted by David_in_NYC
    ...Oh, and your mother will make you feel really, really guilty.
    Well, gee, any mother worth her salt can do that. It's some kind of symbiotic relationship that develops during pregnancy or something.


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    Elisheba
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    An outsider like myself can't help feeling the changing of religion is always voluntary and should be totally free. It's your choice what you believe in, it is nobody else's concern!
    You apparently missed the point of the original post.

    'Resigning' from Islam is apparently a (near-death or ... ) death experience and people are upset about it.

    In my opinion, no civilized person can be an 'outsider' on something like this.


    Oh, yes, as to what we do if another Jew tries to leave: David_in_NYC explained it to you.

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