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Good job Steve, keep up the great work !!
Love the website -
Nice site, but check your links -- not all work. (facts4peace takes you elsewhere.)
Hi there,
Thanks for letting me know - I'll change it tonight. See, the problem is, when you're keeping up a site by yourself, some stuff slips through the cracks. Were there any other links that didn't work?
Steve
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How interesting, this site has several moving pictures of Israeli children crying and a baby being buried. Any pictures shown about the Palestinians consists of guns. Did you know that there are pictures of crying Palestinians which are equally moving, and pictures of Israelis bearing not only guns but tanks, combat helicopters, missile launchers, and other such war parphernalia that are equally, if not more frightening? This site seems one sided to me.
However, I will not disagree with many of the things said about Arafat. I don't like him, I have lost what little faith I had in him. Cosidering the leadership of both sides, the situation is not, and will not be conducive to any notion of peace.
It seems that many discussion forums, as well as the media, are engaged in a never-ending, cat-chasing-it's tail, game.
Yes, read your history carefully, not just the past 50 or so years, but thousands. You will find out who the true "refugees" are here.
But, this is actually irrelevant. Let's stop spinning endlessly. In real life, "peace" in this region will only take place when the real issues are faced. Let's talk about those:
1. Isreal is a country - - a sovereign, a nation. Try as they and the U.N. and EU may, Israel ain't going away. As a sovereign, they have the same right to defend themselves and declare war as the United States, Britain, ect . . .
2. Remember #1 - - and pointing to 1948 or 1967 gets you and us nowhere. Mexico and the American Indians would probably like the land back that the U.S. murdered and stole from them,
and most countries in the world exist as the result of brutal expansionism and/or war. Are you willing to give your country's land (including your own home) to the people who had it before ?
How far back in time would you have to go ?
Back to the bottom line - - the Arabs have tried to destroy Israel several times and lost. They are not getting it back.
3. No country in this world of ours would have been as patient regarding incessant terrorist attacks on its citizens like Israel has. Look at the U.S. response to 9/11 - - we bombed many innocent civilians, and the majority of Americans didn't care - - they wanted Bin Laden. Period. How would Britain respond ?
Russia ? China ? Or, how about those peace-loving "moderate" Arab countries such as Saudi-Arabia (by the way "moderate" Arab countries apparently means that they really would like to exterminate the Jews, but know they can't because Isreal is too strong) . . .
Can you imagine if ongoing terrorist-murderers took place in in Moscow ? Shanghei ? Mecca ? Jordan ? How would these countries react ? Kremelin ? If the U.S. gets to drop daisy-cutter bombs on Afghanistan, and if every other country gets to use its military might to protect itself, so does Isreal - - the fact that Isreal is a largely Jewish state doesn't mean they have less rights. And, they will continue to enforce such rights.
4. Because of it's right to defend itself, Isreal cannot allow the formation of a Palestinian state at this time. Reason: the Palestinian majority is not ready for statehood. The leadership is corrupt, and headed by a two-faced, lying, serial-killer of Jewish citizens. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ect . . . will not stop, period. They hate Jewish people, they hate Israel, they hate the West, and they will not stand for one grain of sand to be owned by a Jew in the area. By the way, Arafat, the age-old murderous terrorist and his PLO have the same long term plan - - read the PLO charter. To allow a Palestinian state at this time would be inviting suicide. Once a state, the Palestinian goverment would start purchasing heavy artillary to use to attack Isreal. How about a Palestinian airport with a special runway to use for planes filled with suicide bomber-pilots to fly into Isreali neighborhoods, shopping centers, and hi-rises ???? Think about that one. There is no way that any sane Israeli official could
permit a Palestinian state until Arafat and the other terrorists are wiped out, an honest regime is installed with democratic elections, and large amounts of money are carefully used to create an honest Palestinian society with some values other than how many Jews have you killed today . . . If you have any questions about this, look at what is happening in Lebanon in the North- the Syrian-backed Hizbollah takes target practice at Israeli towns routinely. So, let me get this straight . . . for "peace", Isreal is supposed to permit an armed West Bank full of terrorists to exist, in addition to the attacks from the North.
5. Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia are financial backers and trainers and organizers of the terrorist-murders in the West Bank and Gaza. They will have to be dealt with too, before the Palestinians can be trusted to go to a Pizza Parlor and actually order a Pizza . . .
6. The innocent Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza have been ripped off by Arafat and his henchmen. Where have the billions of dollars in aid gone - to build respectable universities, and quality hospitals, and employment opportunities and hope ?
Or to purchase more C-4 and 6' nails ?????
7. So, you want peace ??? If you are a Palestinian (i.e. West Bank or Gaza Strip Arab) supporter, then you are going to have to get off your you-know-what, and help reform the terrorities.
Don't blame the U.S., and don't expect Israel to do your dirty work for you. Sure, you can blame Israel all you want. Keep talking about "occupation" while Arafat et.al. continues to rip off the innocent Arabs and cause a situation that will only bring more grief. Yes, keep blaming Israel. The American Indians learned long ago what talk means. By the way, in all sincerity, try pointing a finger or two at the the Arab countries who don't want anything to do with the "refugees" but use them in an admittedly highly-successful machiavellian manner, as puppets to deflect their own murderous-corrupt and oppressive regimes, and to cause as much grief as possible to Israel - - hoping for it's ultimate demise.
By the way, he is the fool that thinks that Israel will stand by forever while her citizens are murdered and maimed. Like any other country, Isreal will eventually say to itself that trying to appease the largely anti-semitic world gets them nowhere.
They will say, "We have to look-out for ourselves, period. And then, my friends, the West Bank and Gaza Arab terrorist will be saying to themselves, "Gee, occupation was so bad after all."
8. Final point. Suicide bombers are not martyrs. They are not militants. They are murderers, no matter who does it. When an Isreali settler lost his mind and machine-gunned down people praying in a mosk, he was not a "militant". He was a cold-blooded murderer. The American's who massacred the Vietnamese in Mai Lai were not "fighting" - - they were murdering.
While the American colonialist revolutionaries were sometimes caught up in the killing of Tories, they did not have a systematic, state sponsered policy of murdering woman and children and non-combatant males. Only the Arabs do this. Not only is it murder,
it is cowardice. Don't give me this b.s. that they don't have the arms to go against the militarily superior Israel, therefore they have to massacre women and children. It's sick, it's perverse,
and it just underscores how far that society has to go to develop before it can ever be trusted to be a responsible soveriegn.
One common misconception of the current conflict is that Israel has a big brutal army and is bent on killing all Palestinians - well, that is the picture that the Palestinians and the media are trying to make. The pictures on my site are meant to convey that the Palestinians, in fact, do have guns (which according to a documentary I saw, cost them about 5000 British pounds each) and other weapons and that Israel doesn't just fire indiscriminately - there are people shooting back, with big scopes on their guns for added accuracy.Originally posted by Engima
How interesting, this site has several moving pictures of Israeli children crying and a baby being buried. Any pictures shown about the Palestinians consists of guns. Did you know that there are pictures of crying Palestinians which are equally moving, and pictures of Israelis bearing not only guns but tanks, combat helicopters, missile launchers, and other such war parphernalia that are equally, if not more frightening? This site seems one sided to me.
Yes, Israel has an army, perhaps the most responsible army in the world. We saw the results of their responsibility in Jenin - instead of killing every person in sight, they went in on foot and lost 23 men for it.
Of course, the Palestinians and media fail to show that there is sorrow on the Israeli side as well. Israelis aren't monsters - they are people that are losing their friends and family, just normal, everyday people. Many pictures of Palestinians crying are laughable - I've read journalists reports that they saw Palestinians start to cry just as they approached, because that is what they are trained to do. Come on, if you thought your brother that just got killed was a martyr, would you be happy or sad? We're not talking a Western way of life here - we're talking about Islam, that celebrates death.
As for the site seeming one-sided, your only "proof" is the pictures. You're type is stuck in a trap - you believe what Palestinians say as "truth". Again, we learned from Jenin a terrible lesson - in an attempt to discredit Israel internationally, they labelled the army incursion as "a massacre". It was eventually shown that it wasn't, and while Israel blocked the UN from going, the UN withdrew because they knew they weren't going to find anything to incriminate Israel. Imagine the UN proving Israel right? Bottom line, Palestinians lie. I don't trust anything they say, unless it's in their own press. They have a well-constructed propaganda campaign filled with lies and half-truths. That's why Palestinian "truths" don't make it to my website.
Blue Moon,
I like what you have to say. Why don't you build a webpage (or help me with mine?)
Steve
Go to this article on the history news network.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/articl...le.html?id=728
Be warned, the article has a point of view - many of you will not agree with it and dispute the facts. Oh well such is the transition from the murky cave of craven ignorance to the bright shing light of knowledge.
There is also a posted at the bottom of the article which is also interesting about the Egyptian blockade of the Gulf of Aqaba which precipitated the 6 Day War. I know some of you amoral equivalators like to crow that is was the Israelis who (seemingly unprevoked) went on a murderous war of imperialism against the poor helpless peaceful peaceloving peoples of peace. But there seems to be an actual prevoking event on the part of the Egyptians. I know I know - it's all lies and distortions and zionist racist claptrap.... but hey, give it read, you might learn something.
And if you can read it then you're further ahead than 80% of all the Arabs in the world. Spread the word.
Mediocrates : as astonishing as it may sound, but the truth isn`t really what`s on the mind of the people you referred to... Those people still think that Egypt has won the 1973 war (ugh, I see a discussion coming up on that one).
That's true. It's quite pathetic. I want to suggest to everybody to find a video called "The 50 years war: Israel and the Arabs" (you can find it on my website), which shows the reaction of Egyptians after the 1973 war (or was it the 6 day war?). They were cheering in the streets because they thought they won! The truth is I feel badly for them - they trust their governments...Originally posted by Iori Yagami
Mediocrates : as astonishing as it may sound, but the truth isn`t really what`s on the mind of the people you referred to... Those people still think that Egypt has won the 1973 war (ugh, I see a discussion coming up on that one).
Anyway, what can you do? Try to preach the truth and try to get them to see what the truth is...
Good luck to us all!
Come on guys,Originally posted by Iori Yagami
Mediocrates : as astonishing as it may sound, but the truth isn`t really what`s on the mind of the people you referred to... Those people still think that Egypt has won the 1973 war (ugh, I see a discussion coming up on that one).
It is called saving people's pride. Will you want to make them a loser? And start another war?
See the problem is, that they think they won, but they want to win again. Maybe if they knew they lost, they'd know that they're going to lose again. It could change alot of people's mentalities to "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". But then again, I think I'm being WAY too optimistic. You're probably right - if they knew they lost to the Jews, they'd want revenge that much worse...Originally posted by christian
Come on guys,
It is called saving people's pride. Will you want to make them a loser? And start another war?
Steve
Interesting reatcion! Tells alot about "personality"!Originally posted by takeo
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