WORMS ALERT! European hypocrisy: EU to Build Wall After Blasting Israel's

[Ray]

It is splendidly delightful to find ultra nationalists rave and rant and are abusive of US posters like Rhodesscholar on whose money the Cause is dependant to a great extent.

These ultra nationalists must understand how grateful they should be to the US and the Jews of the US and that Israel is still in existance and has been able to weather the various international pressures that has been brought to bear on Israel through its recent history.

If the Diaspora was not there, the ultra would be chanting the holy text of the Koran or would have been operating in a clandestine manner in Iraq against Freedom and Democracy (to put the word "terrorist" it politely)!

But then ungratefulness is the badge of the ultras' tribe!

[SteveK]

It is splendidly delightful to find ultra nationalists rave and rant and are abusive of US posters like Rhodesscholar on whose money the Cause is dependant to a great extent.

These ultra nationalists must understand how grateful they should be to the US and the Jews of the US and that Israel is still in existance and has been able to weather the various international pressures that has been brought to bear on Israel through its recent history.

If the Diaspora was not there, the ultra would be chanting the holy text of the Koran or would have been operating in a clandestine manner in Iraq against Freedom and Democracy (to put the word "terrorist" it politely)!

But then ungratefulness is the badge of the ultras' tribe!

And, I can tell you for a fact that the cows of Texas and Argentina should be very grateful for their homeland in India, where they can always return to avoid slaughter.

[redcake]

Untrue redcake ..... I have already proven that to you .
rhodescholar is 100% correct.
You never did disprove my historical timeline

Ophra, all you were trying to prove is that the religious community waited until 1967 to immigrate... you didn't discredit the great precedence that Religous Jews had towards influencing the the principles of a Zionist movement. Furthermore, you never provided a historical timeline of your own contradicting the information I provided.

The fact is, the Israel/Jewishi history books have embraced the Secular Ashkenazic version of things, but that history does not negate a different one where (predominantly Sephardic) Rabbis invented Israel both in early theory and experimentation. To be blunt, anything a secular Jew, or Israeli pioneer went on to popularize, there was likely a Rabbi who proposed it or actually did it first. Any claims that "the Secular Jews" were solely responsible for Israel should be corrected.

[SteveK]

Ophra, [...] Any claims that "the Secular Jews" were solely responsible for Israel should be corrected.

redcake,

Should be corrected???? Ophra's and her atheist brazen dog's discrediting of the Torah observant communities must be corrected and by the national Torah leadership by them here in Israel for the very future of the Jewish Homeland, The State of Israel.

Otherwise, the Israeli Nation will continue to fall victims to the international image of the Israelis "taking the land with the sword and holding it with the sword,... and without a God in Heaven". Thereby, further confirming in the international community that the Israelis are the occupiers, murderers who inherited, and war criminals .... Jewish imposters and invaders who stole Arab land.

Real Torah Jewish leadership for Israel will clean up the tragic state of affairs in which Ophra and her gang of atheist brazen dogs in the Israeli government,
have put the Jewish Homeland into. WE must have here NOW OUR collective Jewish mind, heart, and soul of a truly Jewish Nation for claim and defense to all of our God given Land of Israel.

[redcake]

Thereby, further confirming in the international community that the Israelis are the occupiers, murderers who inherited, and war criminals .... Jewish imposters and invaders who stole Arab land.

That one sentence is VERY true.

I don't think those of us who understand this have managed to articulate just how or why they are adding fuel to the fire.

[ignition00]

It seems that Egypt is also building a anti-terrorist fence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4354666.stm

Funny that this is described as a "security fence" and not an "arparthide wall"

[MGB8]

That IS funny, and pathetic of the MSM. After all, they could protest that the problem of the fence is the route, but, the route is what makes it arguable a "land grab", but has no impact on whether or not it is an "appartheid wall."

[Cato]

redcake,

Should be corrected???? Ophra's and her atheist brazen dog's discrediting of the Torah observant communities must be corrected and by the national Torah leadership by them here in Israel for the very future of the Jewish Homeland, The State of Israel.

Otherwise, the Israeli Nation will continue to fall victims to the international image of the Israelis "taking the land with the sword and holding it with the sword,... and without a God in Heaven". Thereby, further confirming in the international community that the Israelis are the occupiers, murderers who inherited, and war criminals .... Jewish imposters and invaders who stole Arab land.

Real Torah Jewish leadership for Israel will clean up the tragic state of affairs in which Ophra and her gang of atheist brazen dogs in the Israeli government,
have put the Jewish Homeland into. WE must have here NOW OUR collective Jewish mind, heart, and soul of a truly Jewish Nation for claim and defense to all of our God given Land of Israel.

The second the Torah becomes law 99.9% of all Israelis are going to leave Israel, and it will get conquered.

[SteveK]

The second the Torah becomes law 99.9% of all Israelis are going to leave Israel, and it will get conquered.

Cato,

Where can I find your prophetic Book of Cato?

I will put my trust in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and His
Prophets from my Jewish heritage of 3,500+ years.

The Jewish sages of today say that the Messianic era will be ushered in within our lifetime.

Obviously, the modern State of Israel is a realized prophecy as a decisive pre-requisite to this Torah Nation (and later full Jewish Kingdom).

It's not in any of the prophecies for the Israeli Nation, the JEWISH HOMELAND, to ever be conquered again.

Do you plan to stay in Greece mis-representing your Jewish heritage of 3,500+ years, and teaching from your own prophetic Book of Cato?

[Cato]

"Where can I find your prophetic Book of Cato?"

Read Israel's Declaration of Independence, or you can read On the State by Cicero a brilliant Ancient Roman Republican (One of the last defenders of the Republic to fall infact), perhaps Cicero will be able to teach you something about democracy, unfortunately I think you are such a dim witted fanatic that not even he can convince you of anything.

"I will put my trust in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and His
Prophets from my Jewish heritage of 3,500+ years."

Fanatics like you did a wonderful job getting Israel and Judea destroyed the first time, perhaps that means God frowns on fanatics, the way he is frowning on the Persian Fanatics who are persecuting the mostly secular Persian people.

"The Jewish sages of today say that the Messianic era will be ushered in within our lifetime."

Somebody should drag you into a mental institution.

"Obviously, the modern State of Israel is a realized prophecy as a decisive pre-requisite to this Torah Nation (and later full Jewish Kingdom)."

The modern state of Israel is the result of 650,000 Jews exercising their right to selfe determination and declaring independence from both Britain and Syria, then creating a secular democratic state that recognized Judaism as the State Religion (The way Britain recognizes Christianity as it's state religion), inviting the persecuted jews of the world in, and getting a flood of jewish refugees from the Muslim World and Immigrants from the Europe, not the will of God.

"It's not in any of the prophecies for the Israeli Nation, the JEWISH HOMELAND, to ever be conquered again."

Well considering those same prophecies advised the jews to side with Pompey over Caeser they are not worth very much now are they?

"Do you plan to stay in Greece mis-representing your Jewish heritage of 3,500+ years, and teaching from your own prophetic Book of Cato?"

Well the Greeks have learned not to base their lives on literal interpretation of the bible, which is more then I can say about you.

The Bible is a set of stories and ethical guide lines to live by nothing more, it has been tampered with many times since Moses recieved it.

If you want to see the person who misrepresents jews take a good look in the mirror.

God does not interfere in the affairs of Mortals.

Get it through your head GOD WANTS US TO USE FREE WILL AND FREE THOUGHT, that is why he gave it to us.

I am embaraced about needing to give the exact same arguments Voltaire gave to French Catholic Fanatics in the 18th century to an Israeli in the 21st.

[SteveK]

SteveK to Cato:

"I will put my trust in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and His
Prophets from my Jewish heritage of 3,500+ years."

Cato to SteveK:

Fanatics like you did a wonderful job getting Israel and Judea destroyed the first time, perhaps that means God frowns on fanatics, the way he is frowning on the Persian Fanatics who are persecuting the mostly secular Persian people.

You don't believe in God. Your whole frustrated life and idiotic teachings are rooted in your atheism. If you would take time out from your gross mis-representation of your own ancient Jewish heritage, and actually read it, then you would know that the root cause for all turmoil, destruction, and exiles experienced by the Jewish People was lack of NATIONAL faith in, and service to The Living God of Israel. That's what your style of fanatic leftist atheist leadership has been bringing on the Jewish People, in my Jewish Homeland,--- turmoil, and destruction.

But, guess what?!? The "End of Days" Biblical prophecies are to the complete contrary about any more exiles of the Jewish People from their sovereign JEWISH Homeland. But, there are plenty of indications of turmoil and destruction in some of these prophecies. Negative prophecies can be prevented or mitigated,--- if the Jewish People will eliminate you atheist from leadership of the Israeli Nation, through a NATIONAL TORAH LEADERSHIP.

Or, you can all fly away to Egypt, Greece and Rome, and be free as birds as you wish, and where you can poopoo and peepee on the all the Egyptian, Greek and Roman statues of the great and monumental stone gods which brought the great ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans and their empires to their final ANCIENT chapters of destruction and death.

But, look at my post trailer, dingbat, from the Prophet Malchi: "I, God, have not changed, and you, the Sons of Jacob, have not been destroyed." . Try reading about your own heritage

SteveK to Cato:

"Do you plan to stay in Greece mis-representing your Jewish heritage of 3,500+ years, and teaching from your own prophetic Book of Cato?"

Cato to SteveK:

Well the Greeks have learned not to base their lives on literal interpretation of the bible, which is more then I can say about you.

The Bible is a set of stories and ethical guide lines to live by nothing more, it has been tampered with many times since Moses recieved it.

If you want to see the person who misrepresents jews take a good look in the mirror.

God does not interfere in the affairs of Mortals.

Get it through your head GOD WANTS US TO USE FREE WILL AND FREE THOUGHT, that is why he gave it to us.

I am embaraced about needing to give the exact same arguments Voltaire gave to French Catholic Fanatics in the 18th century to an Israeli in the 20th.

Look up the word "embaraced", you spelled it wrong. I would spell it for you, but the only way that you will learn is to look up the word for yourself in the dictionary.

Voltaire is dead. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is alive. His Torah and His Chosen People are real and LIVING.
You don't believe in God, so don't make Him into your sock puppet. The Living God of Israel wants us to use our free will in faith and service to Him.
When the Jewish People don't do that, then they can expect turmoil, destruction, and exiles. But, again, thanks to God's grace, and certainly not because of our merit, there won't be any more exiles according to the prophecies. Only further turmoil and destruction will come on the Israel Nation until the Jewish People get their free will in sync with faith and service to Him.

Only a NATIONAL TORAH LEADERSHIP for Israel will extricate the Israeli Nation from their turmoil and destruction, and bring to the world the honored image of the Jewish People. You atheist brazen dingbats have only brought turmoil and destruction on the Israeli Nation, and the depraved image of occupiers of Arab lands, murderers who inherited, and war criminals.

You atheist brazen dingbats are the reason that the Israeli Nation hasn't stopped, or really had anyother FREE WILL CHOICE, but to keep appeasing and surrendering to Arab terrorism and gentile anti-semitism.

[Cato]

You don't believe in God. Your whole frustrated life and idiotic teachings are rooted in your atheism. If you would take time out from your gross mis-representation of your own ancient Jewish heritage, and actually read it, then you would know that the root cause for all turmoil, destruction, and exiles experienced by the Jewish People was lack of NATIONAL faith in, and service to The Living God of Israel. That's what your style of fanatic leftist atheist leadership has been bringing on the Jewish People, in my Jewish Homeland,--- turmoil, and destruction.

But, guess what?!? The "End of Days" Biblical prophecies are to the complete contrary about any more exiles of the Jewish People from their sovereign JEWISH Homeland. But, there are plenty of indications of turmoil and destruction in some of these prophecies. Negative prophecies can be prevented or mitigated,--- if the Jewish People will eliminate you atheist from leadership of the Israeli Nation, through a NATIONAL TORAH LEADERSHIP.

Or, you can all fly away to Egypt, Greece and Rome, and be free as birds as you wish, and where you can poopoo and peepee on the all the Egyptian, Greek and Roman statues of the great and monumental stone gods which brought the great ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans and their empires to their final ANCIENT chapters of destruction and death.

But, look at my post trailer, dingbat, from the Prophet Malchi: "I, God, have not changed, and you, the Sons of Jacob, have not been destroyed." . Try reading about your own heritage







Look up the word "embaraced", you spelled it wrong. I would spell it for you, but the only way that you will learn is to look up the word for yourself in the dictionary.

Voltaire is dead. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is alive. His Torah and His Chosen People are real and LIVING.
You don't believe in God, so don't make Him into your sock puppet. The Living God of Israel wants us to use our free will in faith and service to Him.
When the Jewish People don't do that, then they can expect turmoil, destruction, and exiles. But, again, thanks to God's grace, and certainly not because of our merit, there won't be any more exiles according to the prophecies. Only further turmoil and destruction will come on the Israel Nation until the Jewish People get their free will in sync with faith and service to Him.

Only a NATIONAL TORAH LEADERSHIP for Israel will extricate the Israeli Nation from their turmoil and destruction, and bring to the world the honored image of the Jewish People. You atheist brazen dingbats have only brought turmoil and destruction on the Israeli Nation, and the depraved image of occupiers of Arab lands, murderers who inherited, and war criminals.

You atheist brazen dingbats are the reason that the Israeli Nation hasn't stopped, or really had anyother FREE WILL CHOICE, but to keep appeasing and surrendering to Arab terrorism and gentile anti-semitism.

Too dim witted didn't read it.

I learned doing that from the Greeks.

You are roughly as useful to Israel and the jewish people as a a formation of Hoplites are to a modern army.

Edit-Well English is nowere close to being my first language so I have a reason for not spelling everything right, not that it matters on an internet forum.

Here is another Voltaire argument that will you will probably do just as horrible a job trying to descredit.

If God gave humankind the ability to think rationally and make decisions based on facts, yet did not give humankind any evidence he ever existed would he not be pleased with those who come to the conclusion he does not exist and annoyed at those who come to the conclusion he does exist?

[SteveK]

Too dim witted didn't read it.

I learned doing that from the Greeks.

You are roughly as useful to Israel and the jewish people as a a formation of Hoplites are to a modern army.

Edit-Well English is nowere close to being my first language so I have a reason for not spelling everything right, not that it matters on an internet forum.

Here is another Voltaire argument that will you will probably do just as horrible a job trying to descredit.

If God gave humankind the ability to think rationally and make decisions based on facts, yet did not give humankind any evidence he ever existed would he not be pleased with those who come to the conclusion he does not exist and annoyed at those who come to the conclusion he does exist?

Israeli Atheist Brazen Dingbat:

And, after 3,500+ years of unbroken Jewish heritage passed through the generations? In what language do you indoctrinate schoolchildren in Greece
with your perverted interpretations of 3,500+ years of Jewish heritage?

Let's see you stand in your Jewish Homeland with Ophra, while the both of you are smiling at the CNN cameras telling the world how you "took the Land of Israel with the sword and how you hold the Land of Israel with the sword,--- without a God in Heaven to help you.".

But, you might need to await for the resurrection of Voltaire, as your messiah, to convince the world that you Israeli atheist brazen dingbats are not the occupiers of Arab land, murderers who inherited, and war criminals?

I prefer this argument from Napolean:

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

[Mediocrates]

Pay no attention to Steve he's the antiOphra. Two zealots in search of Jews to hate.

[SteveK]

Pay no attention to Steve he's the antiOphra. Two zealots in search of Jews to hate.

Medio,

What started your lunatic binge all over the place? Did Ophra upset you because she said you are a convert to Judaism?

Are you?

If so, for how long?

Why did you convert mid-life? You are in your 40's?