The Images from Russia

[philingraham]

The images coming out of Russia now means that Kerry is toast. From Israel to Spain, to NYC, to Morroco, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Bali, to Saudi Arabia, to Russia, the story is always the same.

The fact that Muslim peoples refuse to condemn the actions of their lunatic fringe means that they all will all become persona non grata throughout the civilized world. We will look at you with suspicion and outright hostility. You have no one to blame but yourselves...

[takeo]

The images coming out of Russia now means that Kerry is toast. From Israel to Spain, to NYC, to Morroco, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Bali, to Saudi Arabia, to Russia, the story is always the same.

You're insane to use this tragedy for your private political purpose.
Bush has ended the struggle against terrorism by his attack against totally unrelated Iraq. Russia, Europe and the US were jointly fighting islamic terrorism untill the US abused this to attack Iraq, not related to international terrorism. This terrible crime has only benefitted international terrorism, as expected.

[philingraham]

You're insane to use this tragedy for your private political purpose.
Bush has ended the struggle against terrorism by his attack against totally unrelated Iraq. Russia, Europe and the US were jointly fighting islamic terrorism untill the US abused this to attack Iraq, not related to international terrorism. This terrible crime has only benefitted international terrorism, as expected.

"Change the Channel"(philingraham's advice to takeo when viewing innocent children slaughtered by Muslim warriors)

[NewsGuy]

Bush has ended the struggle against terrorism by his attack against totally unrelated Iraq. Russia, Europe and the US were jointly fighting islamic terrorism untill the US abused this to attack Iraq, not related to international terrorism. This terrible crime has only benefitted international terrorism, as expected.

The US did not abuse anything in removing Saddam Hussein. You seem to forget that the UN voted to authorize force against the butcher of Baghdad, who is responsible for slaughtering nearly 500,000 of his own countrymen.

And as we now have learned, al Qaeda had quite a presence in Iraq, headed by mass-murderer al Zawahiri and his considerable network of terrorists.

And the efforts to break up al Qaeda and to hunt down bin Ladin are still underway, led by Bush. Even a country like France which otherwise supports terrorism, collaborates with the US to stop al Qaeda and the Taliban.

But regardless of the Iraq war, global Muslim terrorism like that which happened now in Russia, is a legitimate campaign issue in the US and all over the world.

As much as many Americans, including myself, don't like everything about Bush, it's clear that Kerry is not the right man to battle Muslim terrorism. Between Bush and Kerry, when it comes to fighting Muslim terrorism, I would choose Bush, as will the majority of Americans in November.

Incidents like the latest massacre of Russian schoolchildren remind the voters that we are far from being done with the war against radical Islam and that we need a strong president to finish the job.

[takeo]

The US did not abuse anything in removing Saddam Hussein. You seem to forget that the UN voted to authorize force against the butcher of Baghdad, who is responsible for slaughtering nearly 500,000 of his own countrymen.

The UN didn't autorise the invasion of Iraq, the US tried to force such a resolution in the UNSC but France, china and Russia blocked this effort. Iraq was cooperating with the inspectors so it didn't violate the un-resolution voted previously.
I think 500000 is exaggerated, altough he killed quite some Kurds (but your ally Turkey did the same, btw with US-support) and some shia's after the islamic uprising in 1991. After all Saddam wasn't the worst dictator in the region, he resisted radical Islam, didn't support international terrorism, tried to keep his country together and independant of foreign influence, he protected the christian minority (now persecuted) and tried to modernise his country despite all the hardships as a result of the embargo.
But of course he was a dictator who tortured his opposers, banned opposition newspapers, but by doing so he wasn't any different from neighbouring presidents and sheiks, and he wasn't any different from the current rulers of Iraq in this respect who are equally autoritarian, killed 10's of 1000's so far and equally torture and kill opposers.

And as we now have learned, al Qaeda had quite a presence in Iraq, headed by mass-murderer al Zawahiri and his considerable network of terrorists.

These elements came to Iraq almost together with the us-troops, a small islamic group was already present in the north in Kurdish territory, where Saddam had no power. The uS-senate-committee concluded Saddam didn't had any ties to al-Quaida.

And the efforts to break up al Qaeda and to hunt down bin Ladin are still underway, led by Bush.

Taliban and Al-quaida are reemerging in Afghanistan and all over the world...especially in Iraq they controll entire cities like fallujah, the Iraq-war also gave them a new boost of support all over the islamic world.

Even a country like France which otherwise supports terrorism, collaborates with the US to stop al Qaeda and the Taliban.

now you're contradicting yourself...
but indeed we do, they're our common ennemy, but however the war in Iraq has made cooperation more difficult, mutual trust has disappeared and funds have evaporated as a result of the war in Iraq.

But regardless of the Iraq war, global Muslim terrorism like that which happened now in Russia, is a legitimate campaign issue in the US and all over the world.

But it's disgusting that Bush uses this for his own campaign, for all the reasons explained above. I don't think Russians will appreciate it, Bush is extremely unpopular in Russia and in Europe as a whole.

As much as many Americans, including myself, don't like everything about Bush, it's clear that Kerry is not the right man to battle Muslim terrorism. Between Bush and Kerry, when it comes to fighting Muslim terrorism, I would choose Bush, as will the majority of Americans in November.

we'll see, but if Bush is reelected it will be due to his huge funds and controll over the most important media, and due to the fact most Americans know very little about international politics. perhaps that's why Moore's anti-Bush movie was so popular in the US, here in europe we already know all this.
He made such a mess in Iraq, lied to the public opinion, aleniated his partners in the war on terror and is loosing the struggle against international terrorism. I don't think Blair or Berlusconi will be reelected.

Incidents like the latest massacre of Russian schoolchildren remind the voters that we are far from being done with the war against radical Islam and that we need a strong president to finish the job.

Bush had his chance and he made things worse, he is clearly not the man to fight terrorism jointly with Russians and Europeans. Perhaps Kerry will be more sensitive for international cooperation and will have a more international approach, which is needed to fight international networks.

[Eugeenie]

The images coming out of Russia now means that Kerry is toast. From Israel to Spain, to NYC, to Morroco, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Bali, to Saudi Arabia, to Russia, the story is always the same.

The fact that Muslim peoples refuse to condemn the actions of their lunatic fringe means that they all will all become persona non grata throughout the civilized world. We will look at you with suspicion and outright hostility. You have no one to blame but yourselves...

Don't know how this will affect the election, but I can't think Kerry is doing himself any good by allowing so many terrorist supporters to run loose in his forum like he does.

[philingraham]

Don't know how this will affect the election, but I can't think Kerry is doing himself any good by allowing so many terrorist supporters to run loose in his forum like he does.

The disaster in Russia happened simultaneously with the Republican Convention. It will serve as the coup de grace to Bush's acceptance speech. Americans watching screaming mothers and children will conclude that this could easily happen to us. Forget about the economy, Iraq , the budget or healthcare. Bush gets 4 more years...

[takeo]

"Change the Channel"(philingraham's advice to takeo when viewing innocent children slaughtered by Muslim warriors)

You don't know sh** about Russia, and this touched me deeply, you just try to take political benefit from it, while Bush indirectly helped the terrorists by invading Iraq. Change the channel, try to avoid fox television for a few hours and try to inform you about the world.

The fact that Muslim peoples refuse to condemn the actions of their lunatic fringe means that they all will all become persona non grata throughout the civilized world. We will look at you with suspicion and outright hostility. You have no one to blame but yourselves...

many of the victims themselves were muslim, and the entire muslim community of Russia (quite a big one) is since long on putin's side.

The disaster in Russia happened simultaneously with the Republican Convention. It will serve as the coup de grace to Bush's acceptance speech. Americans watching screaming mothers and children will conclude that this could easily happen to us. Forget about the economy, Iraq , the budget or healthcare. Bush gets 4 more years...

yeah, Bush knows how to abuse such massacres in his advantage, that's what he did after 11th september, when he abused this massacre to finish off his vendetta with saddam instead of going after the real terrorists.
Europeans are generally better informed that's why Bush wouldn't even win more than 5% here, they know his policy increased terrorism, everyone who knows about the issue, most of all clarke, confirms this.

[philingraham]

I am looking forward to your apology for your muslim brethren when they slaughter some defenseless children in your country for the unpardonable sin of banning headscarves in Public Schools. I'm sure that you'll find a way to blame Bush.

So I am to understand that you were "touched" by the slaughter in Russia ? I suppose that means we should be "sensitive", to the motivations of your Muslim Warrior buddies. No chance, takeo...Bush in a landslide

[takeo]

[QUOTE]

I am looking forward to your apology for your muslim brethren when they slaughter some defenseless children in your country for the unpardonable sin of banning headscarves in Public Schools. I'm sure that you'll find a way to blame Bush.

I don't think this will happen, but if it does, they won't gain anything at all, and I'm not trying to find apologies for their behavior, they are the worst criminals. But you try to find a way to blame France and Muslims in general for this, which is insane. The entire muslim community of Russia is against the terrorists and both Russia and France did a lot of efforts to fight terror, while the US considered regime-change in Iraq and Iraqi oil more urgent than fighting terror...

So I am to understand that you were "touched" by the slaughter in Russia ? I suppose that means we should be "sensitive", to the motivations of your Muslim Warrior buddies. No chance, takeo...Bush in a landslide

How did you conclude this, based on what? Did I say anything similar? On the contrary, I'm in favor of repression without pity against anyone involved in this crime. But it's disgusting you once again try to abuse this tragedy for your Bush-campaign, while Bush has always maintained close relations to the saoudi Godfathers of terrorism (especially in Russia, meanwhile it was very convenient for the US that its main rival in the region got weakened by islamists). How long ago was it that republican government in the US financed islamist terrorists to fight the Russians and terrorise the population in Afghanistan? I'm sure at least some of the terrorists involved in North-Ossetia were trained in afghanistan by US-taxpayers money. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I know most Americans prefere to forget the past, but we don't...