Home | The images coming out of Russia now means that Kerry is toast. From Israel to Spain, to NYC, to Morroco, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Bali, to Saudi Arabia, to Russia, the story is always the same.
The fact that Muslim peoples refuse to condemn the actions of their lunatic fringe means that they all will all become persona non grata throughout the civilized world. We will look at you with suspicion and outright hostility. You have no one to blame but yourselves...
You're insane to use this tragedy for your private political purpose.The images coming out of Russia now means that Kerry is toast. From Israel to Spain, to NYC, to Morroco, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Bali, to Saudi Arabia, to Russia, the story is always the same.
Bush has ended the struggle against terrorism by his attack against totally unrelated Iraq. Russia, Europe and the US were jointly fighting islamic terrorism untill the US abused this to attack Iraq, not related to international terrorism. This terrible crime has only benefitted international terrorism, as expected.
Originally Posted by takeo
"Change the Channel"(philingraham's advice to takeo when viewing innocent children slaughtered by Muslim warriors)
Don't know how this will affect the election, but I can't think Kerry is doing himself any good by allowing so many terrorist supporters to run loose in his forum like he does.
The disaster in Russia happened simultaneously with the Republican Convention. It will serve as the coup de grace to Bush's acceptance speech. Americans watching screaming mothers and children will conclude that this could easily happen to us. Forget about the economy, Iraq , the budget or healthcare. Bush gets 4 more years...
You don't know sh** about Russia, and this touched me deeply, you just try to take political benefit from it, while Bush indirectly helped the terrorists by invading Iraq. Change the channel, try to avoid fox television for a few hours and try to inform you about the world."Change the Channel"(philingraham's advice to takeo when viewing innocent children slaughtered by Muslim warriors)
many of the victims themselves were muslim, and the entire muslim community of Russia (quite a big one) is since long on putin's side.The fact that Muslim peoples refuse to condemn the actions of their lunatic fringe means that they all will all become persona non grata throughout the civilized world. We will look at you with suspicion and outright hostility. You have no one to blame but yourselves...
yeah, Bush knows how to abuse such massacres in his advantage, that's what he did after 11th september, when he abused this massacre to finish off his vendetta with saddam instead of going after the real terrorists.The disaster in Russia happened simultaneously with the Republican Convention. It will serve as the coup de grace to Bush's acceptance speech. Americans watching screaming mothers and children will conclude that this could easily happen to us. Forget about the economy, Iraq , the budget or healthcare. Bush gets 4 more years...
Europeans are generally better informed that's why Bush wouldn't even win more than 5% here, they know his policy increased terrorism, everyone who knows about the issue, most of all clarke, confirms this.
I am looking forward to your apology for your muslim brethren when they slaughter some defenseless children in your country for the unpardonable sin of banning headscarves in Public Schools. I'm sure that you'll find a way to blame Bush.
So I am to understand that you were "touched" by the slaughter in Russia ? I suppose that means we should be "sensitive", to the motivations of your Muslim Warrior buddies. No chance, takeo...Bush in a landslide
[QUOTE]I am looking forward to your apology for your muslim brethren when they slaughter some defenseless children in your country for the unpardonable sin of banning headscarves in Public Schools. I'm sure that you'll find a way to blame Bush.
I don't think this will happen, but if it does, they won't gain anything at all, and I'm not trying to find apologies for their behavior, they are the worst criminals. But you try to find a way to blame France and Muslims in general for this, which is insane. The entire muslim community of Russia is against the terrorists and both Russia and France did a lot of efforts to fight terror, while the US considered regime-change in Iraq and Iraqi oil more urgent than fighting terror...
How did you conclude this, based on what? Did I say anything similar? On the contrary, I'm in favor of repression without pity against anyone involved in this crime. But it's disgusting you once again try to abuse this tragedy for your Bush-campaign, while Bush has always maintained close relations to the saoudi Godfathers of terrorism (especially in Russia, meanwhile it was very convenient for the US that its main rival in the region got weakened by islamists). How long ago was it that republican government in the US financed islamist terrorists to fight the Russians and terrorise the population in Afghanistan? I'm sure at least some of the terrorists involved in North-Ossetia were trained in afghanistan by US-taxpayers money. You should be ashamed of yourself.So I am to understand that you were "touched" by the slaughter in Russia ? I suppose that means we should be "sensitive", to the motivations of your Muslim Warrior buddies. No chance, takeo...Bush in a landslide
I know most Americans prefere to forget the past, but we don't...
Once again you show a complete ignorance of the American politics. Bush's campaign is Bush's, not our, campaign. But it is also a reminder to many people as to why we need a President who can act when needed. And as everyone knows, it is not Kerry.
Nor does your country do anything good for this world, or have any care for anything other than its selfish interests. Communists were a threat to the whole world. In fact they were just as much of a threat as the Nazis. And now both sides are paying for it. After all Dzhohar Dudaev was a Soviet general before he became the chief drugs and weapon smuggler in Chechnya. Regardless of any of these, the French are weaseling around as if the Cold War wouldn't have touched them. I think if they had to learn a few Russian words besides "bistro" they would've appreciated the American role in the Cold War a bit more. Yes, two hundred years ago French almost conquered the whole world. But now it's time for you people to work on figuring out the issues of central heating and personal hygiene. We could really appreciate that when we visit.I'm sure at least some of the terrorists involved in North-Ossetia were trained in afghanistan by US-taxpayers money. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I know most Americans prefere to forget the past, but we don't...
When US and UK forces were massing to attack Iraq there were huge demonstrations around the World protesting against a unilateral act perceived as imperialism. There was no mistaking what the World thought about this. There was virtually universal revulsion expressed against the war and it's likely consequences.
Where is the revulsion in the Arab World today regarding the acts being perpetrated in the name of Allah by Muslim zealotry ? Outside of a few talking heads and people like takeo and Andak, there is nothing. It can only mean, to the rest of us, that deep in their hearts Muslims APPROVE of these acts. No apologies, no fancy dancing will alter this perception.
The only way to change this is for "the Arab Street" to rise up and protest en mass against the crimes being perpetrated in their name. When is this going to happen ? Will it ever happen ? Am I an idiot for even suggesting such a thing ?
Everyone can act, the problem is not everyone can act wisely and according to the needs of the nation, not everyone has the right priorities...Once again you show a complete ignorance of the American politics. Bush's campaign is Bush's, not our, campaign. But it is also a reminder to many people as to why we need a President who can act when needed. And as everyone knows, it is not Kerry.
Nor does your country do anything good for this world, or have any care for anything other than its selfish interests. Communists were a threat to the whole world. In fact they were just as much of a threat as the Nazis. And now both sides are paying for it.
The communists weren't a threat, never the Soviet-union even tried or made plans to invade Western Europe or the US. All this whole anti-communism was the ideal excuse to support dictatorships in the thirth world and even in Europe and exterminate all leftwing or nationalist governments. In France and Italy we had very large and powerfull communist parties and most people perceived their popularity as a much larger threat than the Soviet-Union.
But you financed terrorists in your struggle against the Soviet-Union, because you couldn't accept a communist government in afghanistan, you preferred Osama Bin Laden and his friends over the communists, who were trying to modernise Afghanistan.
Yeah but if he would have done the same before the fall of communism he would have ended his days in a Siberian labour camp... it's the fall of communism and US-puppet Yeltsin who made this mess possible.After all Dzhohar Dudaev was a Soviet general before he became the chief drugs and weapon smuggler in Chechnya.
The French were much closer to Russia and much more friendly and understanding towards communism, in France for example the main labour union is still communist, we never had a kind of Rosenberg persecutions as in the US, we wanted to end the cold war and it was western europe taking the first steps ending it (inter-german approachment for example).Regardless of any of these, the French are weaseling around as if the Cold War wouldn't have touched them. I think if they had to learn a few Russian words besides "bistro" they would've appreciated the American role in the Cold War a bit more. Yes, two hundred years ago French almost conquered the whole world. But now it's time for you people to work on figuring out the issues of central heating and personal hygiene. We could really appreciate that when we visit.
The Soviets were never a serious equal of the US worldwide.
all those people were as right as they could be, all their predictions became reality (no WMD's, more terrorism, Bush lying, etc.)When US and UK forces were massing to attack Iraq there were huge demonstrations around the World protesting against a unilateral act perceived as imperialism. There was no mistaking what the World thought about this. There was virtually universal revulsion expressed against the war and it's likely consequences.
there is, the act in North-Ossetia has been condamned by each and every muslim organisation, including the Arab league and even hamas...Where is the revulsion in the Arab World today regarding the acts being perpetrated in the name of Allah by Muslim zealotry ? Outside of a few talking heads and people like takeo and Andak, there is nothing. It can only mean, to the rest of us, that deep in their hearts Muslims APPROVE of these acts. No apologies, no fancy dancing will alter this perception.
the arab street has other priorities, they are being ruled by corrupted western-supported regimes, they are being oppressed by foreigners in Iraq and Palestine, most live in poverty. But I agree there should be more reaction in the Arab world against this kind of savage crualty.The only way to change this is for "the Arab Street" to rise up and protest en mass against the crimes being perpetrated in their name. When is this going to happen ? Will it ever happen ? Am I an idiot for even suggesting such a thing ?
But each Arab I talked to in France condamns this kind of terrorism. 11th september was a bit more divided, some thought it as justice been done, but most condamned the killing of innocents, in Israel as well by the way.
The US did not abuse anything in removing Saddam Hussein. You seem to forget that the UN voted to authorize force against the butcher of Baghdad, who is responsible for slaughtering nearly 500,000 of his own countrymen.
And as we now have learned, al Qaeda had quite a presence in Iraq, headed by mass-murderer al Zawahiri and his considerable network of terrorists.
And the efforts to break up al Qaeda and to hunt down bin Ladin are still underway, led by Bush. Even a country like France which otherwise supports terrorism, collaborates with the US to stop al Qaeda and the Taliban.
But regardless of the Iraq war, global Muslim terrorism like that which happened now in Russia, is a legitimate campaign issue in the US and all over the world.
As much as many Americans, including myself, don't like everything about Bush, it's clear that Kerry is not the right man to battle Muslim terrorism. Between Bush and Kerry, when it comes to fighting Muslim terrorism, I would choose Bush, as will the majority of Americans in November.
Incidents like the latest massacre of Russian schoolchildren remind the voters that we are far from being done with the war against radical Islam and that we need a strong president to finish the job.
"All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon
The UN didn't autorise the invasion of Iraq, the US tried to force such a resolution in the UNSC but France, china and Russia blocked this effort. Iraq was cooperating with the inspectors so it didn't violate the un-resolution voted previously.The US did not abuse anything in removing Saddam Hussein. You seem to forget that the UN voted to authorize force against the butcher of Baghdad, who is responsible for slaughtering nearly 500,000 of his own countrymen.
I think 500000 is exaggerated, altough he killed quite some Kurds (but your ally Turkey did the same, btw with US-support) and some shia's after the islamic uprising in 1991. After all Saddam wasn't the worst dictator in the region, he resisted radical Islam, didn't support international terrorism, tried to keep his country together and independant of foreign influence, he protected the christian minority (now persecuted) and tried to modernise his country despite all the hardships as a result of the embargo.
But of course he was a dictator who tortured his opposers, banned opposition newspapers, but by doing so he wasn't any different from neighbouring presidents and sheiks, and he wasn't any different from the current rulers of Iraq in this respect who are equally autoritarian, killed 10's of 1000's so far and equally torture and kill opposers.
These elements came to Iraq almost together with the us-troops, a small islamic group was already present in the north in Kurdish territory, where Saddam had no power. The uS-senate-committee concluded Saddam didn't had any ties to al-Quaida.And as we now have learned, al Qaeda had quite a presence in Iraq, headed by mass-murderer al Zawahiri and his considerable network of terrorists.
Taliban and Al-quaida are reemerging in Afghanistan and all over the world...especially in Iraq they controll entire cities like fallujah, the Iraq-war also gave them a new boost of support all over the islamic world.And the efforts to break up al Qaeda and to hunt down bin Ladin are still underway, led by Bush.
now you're contradicting yourself...Even a country like France which otherwise supports terrorism, collaborates with the US to stop al Qaeda and the Taliban.
but indeed we do, they're our common ennemy, but however the war in Iraq has made cooperation more difficult, mutual trust has disappeared and funds have evaporated as a result of the war in Iraq.
But it's disgusting that Bush uses this for his own campaign, for all the reasons explained above. I don't think Russians will appreciate it, Bush is extremely unpopular in Russia and in Europe as a whole.But regardless of the Iraq war, global Muslim terrorism like that which happened now in Russia, is a legitimate campaign issue in the US and all over the world.
we'll see, but if Bush is reelected it will be due to his huge funds and controll over the most important media, and due to the fact most Americans know very little about international politics. perhaps that's why Moore's anti-Bush movie was so popular in the US, here in europe we already know all this.As much as many Americans, including myself, don't like everything about Bush, it's clear that Kerry is not the right man to battle Muslim terrorism. Between Bush and Kerry, when it comes to fighting Muslim terrorism, I would choose Bush, as will the majority of Americans in November.
He made such a mess in Iraq, lied to the public opinion, aleniated his partners in the war on terror and is loosing the struggle against international terrorism. I don't think Blair or Berlusconi will be reelected.
Bush had his chance and he made things worse, he is clearly not the man to fight terrorism jointly with Russians and Europeans. Perhaps Kerry will be more sensitive for international cooperation and will have a more international approach, which is needed to fight international networks.Incidents like the latest massacre of Russian schoolchildren remind the voters that we are far from being done with the war against radical Islam and that we need a strong president to finish the job.
Commies weren't a threat??? What planet are you from??? Have you heard of the Brezhnev Doctine? Have you heard of KGB interrogations? Have you heard of gulag?
I personally know people who done hard time in Russia for the crime of studying Hebrew. That doesn't sound like a threat to you? Are you sure you ever lived in Russia? Or is that you still maintain you membership in the Russian Communist Party?
>>Originally Posted by takeo
The communists weren't a threat, never the Soviet-union even tried or made plans to invade Western Europe or the US. >>
Takeo I think you are sick in the head. Stalin wanted most of Europe. Get a grip of yourself. You lie and distort historical facts.
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