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    Semsem
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    Israel Indian Air Force Joint Exercises

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1094613508217

    Indian Air Force commander proposes joint maneuvers with IAF
    By ARIEH O'SULLIVAN



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    The visiting commander of the Indian Air Force has proposed joint maneuvers and training exercises with the Israeli Air Force.

    In an interview with The Jerusalem Post, Air Chief Marshal Srinivaspuram Krishnaswamy said that he had received a "positive" reaction from his Israeli counterpart.

    OC Air Force Maj.-Gen. Elyezer Shkedy is hosting Krishnaswamy, a former test pilot. He has given him the honor of becoming the first non-Israeli to fly in the US-made F-16I, Israel's newest fighter jet.

    "We look forward to exercising with the Israeli Air Force," Krishnaswamy said. "We can learn from each other in many ways as we are learning from the others."

    "It is a matter of working out the practicalities, whether they wish to come [to India] or we come here and other various modalities. I believe there are mutual appreciations and interests. We hope that it would progress further."

    He said that his air force has not conducted joint training with any Arab states.

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post earlier this week, Shkedy said the IAF was in the process of developing links with other air forces.

    "One of these nations is no doubt India," Shkedy said. "Openness to the world and training around the world has benefits for the IAF."

    Krishnaswamy noted that the Indian air force has trained with the French and most recently with the United States in Alaska. It was the first time Indian fighter jets crossed the Atlantic Ocean, traveling 30,000 kilometers one way.

    "It was a very successful exercise and they quite enjoyed themselves," he said.

    He said that the Indian air force was dispatching next week their Mirage 2000 to train in South Africa. They will be crossing the Indian Ocean. Next year the air force is planning to send them to France to exercise with the French Air Force.

    Next month, Singapore's F-16 squadron is slated to come to India to train.

    In Israel for a five-day visit this week, Krishnaswamy toured on Thursday the Ramon air base, home of the F-16 I squadrons and the Palmahim base, where Israel maintains part of its large UAV aircraft and attack helicopters.

    His visit is part of the ongoing warm relations between the two militaries.

    During his visit here, Krishnaswamy also stopped by Israel Aircraft Industries to review the progress on the $1 billon deal to supply India with three "Phalcon" early-warning airborne radar aircraft.

    "It will be a force multiplier by providing a radar in the sky. It will give us a longer look beyond the horizon and it certainly has its operational utility. We look forward to it," Krishnaswamy said.

    Krishnaswamy said he was not familiar with reports that said India was keen on getting Israeli satellite photos of Pakistani nuclear sites.

    "We have our own access to whatever intelligence is necessary," he said.

    He also was adamant that India would not request or require any Israeli aid to meet future threats.

    "I don't expect any significant help as such from Israel. We are quite capable of managing it ourselves. We don't expect any help or support to meet our threat from any nation. Let's make that very clear," he said.

    Krishnaswamy said the Indian air force was interested in learning how other countries manage their air forces and train their pilots and crews.

    He said he found openness from the Israelis and was "inspired" by the training methods he was shown.

    "We were briefed that the Israeli air force has about 35,000 people in uniform, but you have some very formidable capabilities. You have your number of squadrons and you manage it so efficiently," he said.

    In his capacity as chairman of Chiefs of Staff Committee, Krishnaswamy also visited TASS Israel Military Industries, Elbit, and Rafael.

    Defense links and deals are blossoming with India, but Krishnaswamy indicated that India expected to off-set purchases in India for weapons purchases here.

    "Between countries there is a certain reciprocity, like in the good old days of trade and barter. We are looking at which way we can be beneficial," he said.

    While declining to give precise figures, Krishnaswamy said that Russia and Israel were its main arms suppliers

  2. #2
    The Indian
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    From the Hindustan Times

    India, Israel to hold joint air exercises
    Vishal Thapar
    New Delhi, September 11


    India and Israel have reportedly agreed to hold joint air force exercises. Over the last decade or so, Israel has emerged as a major arms supplier to India. But military exercises between the two are unprecedented. The decision to embark on exercises indicates their intention to go open about their blossoming defence relationship.

    Significantly, reports suggest that the initiative to hold exercises was taken by India, which has been politically coy in the past about flaunting a dalliance with the Zionist nation.

    IAF chief S. Krishnaswamy, currently on a visit to Israel, was quoted by the Jerusalem Post as having received a "positive" response from his Israeli counterpart Major General Elyezer Shkedy to his proposal for joint exercises.

    "We look forward to exercising with the Israeli Air Force," Krishnaswamy said, while talking of "mutual appreciations and interests". The venue and schedule of the exercises is a matter of detail and convenience, he said.

    "We can learn from each other in many ways as we are learning from the others," the Air Chief Marshal was quoted as saying.

    While conveying his enthusiasm for foreign engagements, Krishnaswamy made it clear that India was not dependent upon any nation for its defence preparedness. He also denied reports that India is seeking Israeli satellite photographs of Pakistan's nuclear installations.

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    Justcurious
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    Israel and India have joint exercises? Well, they may be far apart so other countries equally far apart must have equally good chances!

    It's 4025 km from Jerusalem to New Delhi and, for instance, only 3215 from Tel Aviv to Helsinki, let alone most European capitals.

    (Must be difficult to find partners for joint exercises.)

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    Semsem
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    <<Must be difficult to find partners for joint exercises<<

    Justcurious please stop making fun at us. Israeli pilots can travel to India and fly in India. Our Indian friends can come to Israel and fly in Israel. Israel used to have joint exercises with Iran during the Shah.

    I think the Muslim population in India is about 33% and I am sure they are not happy.

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    KSO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semsem
    <<Must be difficult to find partners for joint exercises<<

    Justcurious please stop making fun at us. Israeli pilots can travel to India and fly in India. Our Indian friends can come to Israel and fly in Israel. Israel used to have joint exercises with Iran during the Shah.

    I think the Muslim population in India is about 33% and I am sure they are not happy.
    Yes Israel had joint exercises with Iran during the Shah and our fine tycoon Yaakov Nimrodi even tried to do buisness with the Ayatollah regime by selling them some weapons ( he wrote a book bragging about it)
    I guess the Muslims in India are a bit happier now with the fall of the Right Wing nationalistic goverment, but I don't know much about India...

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    Olivier
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    Quote Originally Posted by KSO
    I guess the Muslims in India are a bit happier now with the fall of the Right Wing nationalistic goverment...
    They are indeed

    the BJP was not only nationalist but also very much against the 100M indian muslems. It was an Hinduist party keen at having crowds destroy mosks. Apparently 'shine-India’ didn't work so well after all... too bad for Sharon.

    The Congress is far from perfect, but a bit more respectful of minorities. Not so bad considering both india and pakistan had their finger on the 'nuke launch' button for a while.
    Last edited by Olivier; 09-10-2004 at 05:25 PM.

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    Da Chuckstar
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    Israel helps out India and yet India keeps adopting anti-Israel resolutions at the UN. Thats just great.

    Oh and India is 12% Muslim, not 33%.

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    Gabriel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcurious
    Israel and India have joint exercises? Well, they may be far apart so other countries equally far apart must have equally good chances!

    It's 4025 km from Jerusalem to New Delhi and, for instance, only 3215 from Tel Aviv to Helsinki, let alone most European capitals.

    (Must be difficult to find partners for joint exercises.)

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...lian-eagle.htm

    Turkey is closer, that make you happy?

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    Gabriel
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    more

    Almost forgot, Germany too

    http://www.pstripes.com/jan01/ed012701i.html

    and I will not bother the gazzillion joint operations with the US

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    Semsem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Chuckstar
    Israel helps out India and yet India keeps adopting anti-Israel resolutions at the UN. Thats just great. <<

    Good point. Disgusting.

    <<Oh and India is 12% Muslim, not 33%.
    <<

    You are right. However the 12% if I am correct is still a huge number. How many people live in India? I have no clue. But I think it's a lot.

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    Gabriel
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    India

    India has 1,065,070,607 people, so 12% being Muslem would be 127,808,472 people. So it's still a lot of people!

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/in.html

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    Semsem
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    Exactly; 12% Moslem in India represents 120 million. enormous and they certainly do not like Israel.

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    Justcurious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semsem
    Exactly; 12% Moslem in India represents 120 million. enormous and they certainly do not like Israel.
    Or 130 million. Quite a few in any case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India#Islam

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    The Indian
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    According to the last Indian census, there are over 138 million Muslims in India. Many illegals from Bangladesh and Pakisatan under represent the figure by 5%. So, the figure is 145 million. For reference, Indonesia is 180+ million, 140+ million Pakisatan and 125+ million Bangladesh. That makes India the 2nd largest Islamic country in the world!

    I too am unhappy about India's vote in the UN against Israel, but unfortunately there is some real politik involved here. India knows the UN is basically a toothless organization and the US does what it wants. India also needs oil which primarily comes from the Mideast Muslim countries. For a growing economy and to pull people out of poverty industrial growth is essential. India needs 5 million barrels of oil every day from the mideast. This real politik is what drives some of the foriegn policy, but at the same time India values its relationship with Israel. India today buys over a $1 billion in Israeli defense products and that figure is only climbing regardless of which ever govt comes to power. By the way, the BJP lost not because they "wanted to tear down mosques", but because the coalition partners in the BJP lost in key states. The Indian National Congress only picked up a handful of seats in parliament and are dependant on their left wing allies.

    Joint excersises with IAF-IAF is a plus for both sides and look forward to reading about them.

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    The Indian
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    From the Indian Express

    Tuesday, September 14, 2004

    National Network


    India, Israel to hold joint air exercise in ’05

    EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE

    NEW DELHI, September 13 The defence relationship between New Delhi and Tel Aviv has deepened further with India and Israel agreeing in principle to hold joint air exercises involving US-made F-16s and Russian-built Su-30 MKI fighters.
    While the modalities of the first ever Indian Air Force and Israeli Air Force exercise will be decided by the executive steering group under the bilateral Defence Cooperation Group, Air Chief S. Krishnaswamy discussed the issue with his Israeli counterpart during his visit to Tel Aviv last week.

    The IAF chief interacted with Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz and Israel’s military top brass during his week-long trip. He also also flew a one-hour sortie on a twin-seater F-16 I fighter piloted by Major Jonathan from Ramon air base, south of Tel Aviv last Wednesday.

    Sources said both sides were keen on pushing interaction between the two air forces and were all for exchanging operational tactics with each other. The joint exercise will be slated for 2005 after IAF Sukhoi-30 MKIs have done their tour of France.

    Though Israel is smaller than Kerala in geographical area, its air force is one-and-a-half times more potent than the Indian Air Force. While IAF has a force level of 36.5 fighter squadrons, the Israelis have more than 30 fighter squadrons including 349 F-16s, 79 F-15s and 140 Kfir fighters.

    Apart from undertaking joint exercises, New Delhi is also looking at Tel Aviv for help and hardware for its indigenous AWACS project. The AWACS project with the initial sanction of Rs 1,800 crore was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) last week. A Defence Ministry official said critical equipment on board the indigenous AWACS will be an ‘‘off-shoot of the India-Israel PHALCON AWACS’’ deal. Israeli defence contractors will be involved in helping the Indian project in critical areas.


    URL: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...ntent_id=55061

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