Child killing - has islam failed muslims or have muslims failed islam? or both?

[unbiased]

After witnessing muslims intentionally targetting hundreds of school children and intentionally blowing to bits 350 of them in a single day, and after seeing the muslim "general" response of "distancing" themselves from those who did the evil act, yet at the same time doing what they could "justify" the evil act, I must say that I have lost almost all faith in muslims as a people and in islam as a viable religious entity.

Muslims intentionally murder 350 children in a single day. We get these responses from muslims:
1. The russians are evil so it is ok to murder their children
2. The muslims who murdered the children were wrong, but heck the russians are evil, so that makes it ok.
3. The muslims who murdered the children are not "real" muslims.
(Now if those same muslims were murdered before they could get a chance to kill the children, their muslim 'brothers/sisters' would be calling those scum "maryrs" and "mujadhideen" and use their murder as an excuse to kill more civilians throughout the entire world.)
So they are "real" muslims when it helps promote the goal of propagating hate, yet they are "fake" muslims when they are caught acting out the very hate that they helped to propagate.
4. "educated" muslims must join together and "figure out" if it is ok for muslim terrorists to murder children or not (note that they are not joining together to denounce the murder, they are joining together to see if such evil is ok according to islam). And take note that some came to the conclusion that targetting and murdering children was ok according to islam.
What does it say about a people who must "debate" and "ponder" about whether or not it is ok to intentionally murder children????

The "fatal flaw" in Islam seems to be that it states that muslims must always defend their 'brothers/sisters' from attack by non-muslims. This is a flaw because it also means that when an evil sinful muslim is attacked, that the other muslims must defend that evil muslim. So the end result is that muslims find themselves doing whatever they can in order to defend evil and to side with evil. The problem with this is that they actually believe that their religion is superior and better and that their religion is the religion of "peace".
-We see this fatal flaw demonstrated in full force as we watch even "good" muslims at worst saying it is ok to kill non-muslim children, and at best saying that it was not ok but that those muslims were not "real" muslims (see that is the only way to pull the evil muslims out of the "fatal flaw" issue), or to say that it is not ok to perform the evil, but in the same breath justify the evil act.

The religion of "peace" has seemingly become the religion of 'blow your children to "pieces"' and at least online it is very difficult (although not entirely impossible) to find any muslim who will outright denounce the evil act as an act of pure evil, and to denounce the muslims that performed the act. Yes, from a political perspective there are often cases where the muslims were "wronged". The difference is that other cultures are willing to acknowledge when they are wrong and are willing to punish "their own" when they are guilty of such evils (take the iraqi prison abuse issue), yet the general muslim response is to either praise or find a way to justify the evil that is done rather than to outright denounce it. Plus do we ever see the "shariah law" go into effect to punish a terrorist who murders children or other civilians? Never.

So, has the islam religion of "peace" failed the muslims in not being a good enough guide for how to live a good and civilized life, or have the muslims simply failed to live up to the teachings of islam? Or both? Does the religion itself have enough hate in its text to permit those who are more likely to perform acts of evil to have religious backing to do so?

Don't get me wrong, I have friends who are muslim. I respect them and the religion (my friend's version) that they practice and I would never wish any harm upon them, nor would they wish any harm upon me. This post is regarding the "general" muslim views that are often expressed online.

Unbiased

[KettleWhistle]

Muslims intentionally murder 350 children in a single day. We get these responses from muslims:
1. The russians are evil so it is ok to murder their children
2. The muslims who murdered the children were wrong, but heck the russians are evil, so that makes it ok.
3. The muslims who murdered the children are not "real" muslims.
(Now if those same muslims were murdered before they could get a chance to kill the children, their muslim 'brothers/sisters' would be calling those scum "maryrs" and "mujadhideen" and use their murder as an excuse to kill more civilians throughout the entire world.)
So they are "real" muslims when it helps promote the goal of propagating hate, yet they are "fake" muslims when they are caught acting out the very hate that they helped to propagate.
4. "educated" muslims must join together and "figure out" if it is ok for muslim terrorists to murder children or not (note that they are not joining together to denounce the murder, they are joining together to see if such evil is ok according to islam). And take note that some came to the conclusion that targetting and murdering children was ok according to islam.
What does it say about a people who must "debate" and "ponder" about whether or not it is ok to intentionally murder children????

You forgot one:

"They killed more of our children."

[andak01]

After witnessing muslims intentionally targetting hundreds of school children and intentionally blowing to bits 350 of them in a single day, and after seeing the muslim "general" response of "distancing" themselves from those who did the evil act, yet at the same time doing what they could "justify" the evil act

I do understand the distancing. Forgive me for not accepting these beasts as kindred spirits. But just who is going around justifying?

Muslims intentionally murder 350 children in a single day.

I assume you are referring to Beslan? It wasn't 350 children, it was 156. And even a number of those were killed by the actions of the rescuers rather than those of the terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_hostage_crisis

After a three-day standoff, there was a shootout between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces, leaving an aftermath of more than 335 people killed (156 of them children), about 200 missing and hundreds more wounded.

We get these responses from muslims:
1. The russians are evil so it is ok to murder their children

WHO SAYS THAT? 1.2 billion Muslims???

2. The muslims who murdered the children were wrong, but heck the russians are evil, so that makes it ok.

WHO SAYS THAT???

3. The muslims who murdered the children are not "real" muslims.

Sure they were real, like every Christian serial killer or every Jewish rapist. They are real sinners, putting a bad name on Islam. So now we are condemned for condemning such actions? Get real!

(Now if those same muslims were murdered before they could get a chance to kill the children, their muslim 'brothers/sisters' would be calling those scum "maryrs" and "mujadhideen" and use their murder as an excuse to kill more civilians throughout the entire world.)

Not really. A number of groups condemned that crime.

So they are "real" muslims when it helps promote the goal of propagating hate, yet they are "fake" muslims when they are caught acting out the very hate that they helped to propagate.

No, they are following a polluted, sick interpretation of Islam, which can also be interpreted in a very different way. The biggest part of that interpretation has to do with political extremism.

4. "educated" muslims must join together and "figure out" if it is ok for muslim terrorists to murder children or not (note that they are not joining together to denounce the murder, they are joining together to see if such evil is ok according to islam). And take note that some came to the conclusion that targetting and murdering children was ok according to islam.
What does it say about a people who must "debate" and "ponder" about whether or not it is ok to intentionally murder children????

The educated Muslims that already know about Islam have already condemned terrorism many times.

The "fatal flaw" in Islam seems to be that it states that muslims must always defend their 'brothers/sisters' from attack by non-muslims. This is a flaw because it also means that when an evil sinful muslim is attacked, that the other muslims must defend that evil muslim.

I don't see a lot of defense of the people who took that school. Would you care to come out in defense rape and killing by the Russians?

The problem with this is that they actually believe that their religion is superior and better and that their religion is the religion of "peace".

All the Bin Ladens and Islamophobes in the world can't stop me from believing that Islam is a religion of peace.

So, has the islam religion of "peace" failed the muslims in not being a good enough guide for how to live a good and civilized life, or have the muslims simply failed to live up to the teachings of islam?

The latter. 100%.

Don't get me wrong, I have friends who are muslim.

Unbiased

I suggest you read this post to them and see how long they stick around.

[andak01]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/art...7681%2C00.html

David Smith
Sunday September 5, 2004
The Observer

Islamic leaders in the Middle East yesterday denounced the slaughter of children in Russia as 'unIslamic', as commentators asked unusually soul-searching questions about the region and terrorism.
Even the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest Islamic group, condemned the bloody siege in Beslan. Its leader, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, said that kidnappings may be justified but killings are not. He added: 'What happened is not jihad [holy war] because Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away.'



http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...43706BEEBB.htm

Arab media condemns Beslan carnage

Tuesday 07 September 2004, 2:36 Makka Time, 23:36 GMT
Arab media blamed both security forces and hostage-takers
Arab newspapers have been unanimous in condemning the bloody end to the Russian hostage crisis and have called the killing of children a carnage.

http://www.cair-net.org/asp/article....=34030&page=NB

Five Muslim organizations and seven mosques have
taken out advertisements in three New Jersey newspapers to condemn acts of terrorism.

The ads, which featured a banner "Not in the Name of Islam," said the
killing of Americans does not represent Islam, just as the Iraqi prisoner
abuse scandal does not represent America or Christianity.

"No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the killing of innocent
people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam," the ad's
text read. "We repudiate and disassociate ourselves from any group or
individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts."

http://yusufislam.org.uk/beslan.shtml

Yusuf Islam speaks out against the horrific Beslan school siege and its brutal ending:

"Nothing is more precious to a parent than the love of their offspring, but for the parents of Beslan we can only share the tears and convey our deepest sympathies, though no words or effort could ever bring those children back into the violent world they so tragically left behind. There is no vocabulary fit to describe the gruesome cruelty of this event; watching helplessly as hundreds of children were mercilessly utilized as negotiating tokens in a political game, which they had absolutely nothing to do with, makes us ponder what kind of inhumane mentality the perpetrators had.

The fact that the hostage takers were reportedly Muslim makes it difficult for some to avoid the conclusion that the religion of Islam must be the cause of this demented act, however, perceptions like that are maintained only if the majority of right minded believers stand back and say and do nothing. In reality, the whole masquerade being played out is purely political without any reference to spiritual truth: one thing is for sure, this action had as much connection with Islam as those innocent children had to do with the ferocious battle for Chechnya.

The religious premise of the oft-repeated accusation disappears when you look closer at the facts: how opposed to the teachings of Islam this kind of act is. Even the most unlearned of Muslims know that the Prophet of Islam was always so merciful to children and their mothers. Once when he visited his daughter whose baby was dying, tears flowed from the eyes of the Prophet. Someone said to him, 'What is this, O Messenger of God?' He said. 'This is Mercy which God has embedded in the hearts of whomever He wished of His slaves. And God does not bestow His Mercy except on the merciful among His slaves.'1

[unbiased]

I do understand the distancing. Forgive me for not accepting these beasts as kindred spirits. But just who is going around justifying?



I assume you are referring to Beslan? It wasn't 350 children, it was 156. And even a number of those were killed by the actions of the rescuers rather than those of the terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_hostage_crisis

After a three-day standoff, there was a shootout between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces, leaving an aftermath of more than 335 people killed (156 of them children), about 200 missing and hundreds more wounded.




WHO SAYS THAT? 1.2 billion Muslims???



WHO SAYS THAT???



Sure they were real, like every Christian serial killer or every Jewish rapist. They are real sinners, putting a bad name on Islam. So now we are condemned for condemning such actions? Get real!



Not really. A number of groups condemned that crime.



No, they are following a polluted, sick interpretation of Islam, which can also be interpreted in a very different way. The biggest part of that interpretation has to do with political extremism.



The educated Muslims that already know about Islam have already condemned terrorism many times.



I don't see a lot of defense of the people who took that school. Would you care to come out in defense rape and killing by the Russians?



All the Bin Ladens and Islamophobes in the world can't stop me from believing that Islam is a religion of peace.



The latter. 100%.



I suggest you read this post to them and see how long they stick around.

Hi,

go to www.ummah.com to see the hateful muslims supporting the intentional murder of the 350 russian children or finding reasons to try to justify the act.

And by the way please don't patronize us by claiming that somehow the russians were responsible for the deaths of even one of those children.
It was the MUSLIMS that took them hostage and set up the dangerous situation.
It was the MUSLIMS who set up the bombs that exploded.
It was the MUSLIMS that kept the children starving and deprived of water.
It was the MUSLIMS that are entirely responsible for their deaths.
It was the MUSLIMS that brought the weapons and the war to the children.
It was the MUSLIMS that are 100% responsible.

The problem with saying that those people were not "muslims" is that you are denying the responsibility that goes along with calling them your "brothers". You can't have it both ways...if you are goind to defend them "martyrs", as your brothers when russia attacks then it is just hypocrisy to abandon them when those same people are responsible for such evil crimes. The answer is not to say "they are not muslims" - the answer is for your "good" brothers to get off their hypocritic butts and go after those scum who intentionally murder children in the name of Allah. When you say "they are not muslims" you deny what is happening.

And just so you know, I have had discussions with my muslim friends about this and they agree with me. They realize that there is so much infighting in islam and that many muslims have abused their religion in battles over land or political ideologies. They agree that the current state of muslims is not something to be proud of. Fortunately my friends are able to recognize this and to denounce the evil. They hope that the evil muslims who propagate this violence are opposed and stopped.

Peace,
Unbiased

[andak01]

The problem with saying that those people were not "muslims" is that you are denying the responsibility that goes along with calling them your "brothers".

If my genetic brother committed a crime, would you want me to go to prison for it? These people are much farther from me than my genetic brother. And I don't get to chose what they do. I have no possible way of stopping their actions, whether they call themselves Muslim or anything else.

You can't have it both ways...

I don't recall calling them my "brothers" or celebrating their crimes or saying that these sinful criminals aren't Muslim. I'm not trying to have it "both ways".

if you are goind to defend them "martyrs"

I never referred to them as "martyrs" or as my brothers, EXPLETIVE DELETED.

When you say "they are not muslims" you deny what is happening.

I said they are not acting Islamically, they are sinning deeply.

And just so you know, I have had discussions with my muslim friends about this and they agree with me.

That's hard to believe, considering how you put words in my mouth instead of listening. But if they agree, then how can you say THE MUSLIMS did it??? Didn't your friends do it too? Why don't you just kill them? They must be as guilty as the other 1.2 billion of us! Guilty of crimes committed by people we don't have any connection to.

They hope that the evil muslims who propagate this violence are opposed and stopped.

Peace,
Unbiased

AND WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON'T??? Tell you what, I'm boarding the next plane for Chechnya with a gun to go shoot those terrorists with! That'll get me as far as the airport before I get arrested! How about I send money over there to buy guns with? No. That get's me arrested too! Or how about, I stay home, grieve for the dead, raise my family not to hate and abide by the laws of my country? Then the silence is deafening to you.

[Gabriel]

I never referred to them as "martyrs" or as my brothers, you jerk.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11

Personal attacks are not allowed.

[andak01]

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11

Touche. When someone wrongly accuses you of cozying up to mass murderers several times, we'll see whether you consider THAT a personal attack. But I'm willing to edit out my portion of the interchange. Thanks.

[unbiased]

If my genetic brother committed a crime, would you want me to go to prison for it? These people are much farther from me than my genetic brother. And I don't get to chose what they do. I have no possible way of stopping their actions, whether they call themselves Muslim or anything else.



I don't recall calling them my "brothers" or celebrating their crimes or saying that these sinful criminals aren't Muslim. I'm not trying to have it "both ways".



I never referred to them as "martyrs" or as my brothers, EXPLETIVE DELETED.



I said they are not acting Islamically, they are sinning deeply.



That's hard to believe, considering how you put words in my mouth instead of listening. But if they agree, then how can you say THE MUSLIMS did it??? Didn't your friends do it too? Why don't you just kill them? They must be as guilty as the other 1.2 billion of us! Guilty of crimes committed by people we don't have any connection to.




AND WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON'T??? Tell you what, I'm boarding the next plane for Chechnya with a gun to go shoot those terrorists with! That'll get me as far as the airport before I get arrested! How about I send money over there to buy guns with? No. That get's me arrested too! Or how about, I stay home, grieve for the dead, raise my family not to hate and abide by the laws of my country? Then the silence is deafening to you.

Hi Andak,

I just want to clarify that when I stated "you" in my prior posts I was not referring specifically to you.
I was referring to muslims that try to justify murder just because it is done by other muslims, or who "cop-out" of the responsibility of bringing muslims to justice by claiming the muslims who did the evil "were not muslim".

But I think you did demonstrate one of the points I was trying to make - if muslims are not responsible for when muslims they don't know perform acts of evil, then why do muslims claim to be responsible for when muslims they don't know are killed and feel that they have enough "responsibility" to be able to call for a global jihad against innocent civilians?

Andak, you seem like a good person. I don't expect you specifically (nor anyone else) to suffer for the crimes of other muslims and I have no desire to see anyone harmed in any way.

My post is not directed against you, but against the growing "mentality" of many muslims (as seen on www.ummah.com) in which they will go out of their way to defend their evil brothers even if it means sinning against the very religion they claim to be defending by promoting or defending the most evil of acts ever performed by humans. It is very disturbing.

Anyway...it is late and I am I too tired to discuss this further - perhaps tomorrow.

I just wanted you to know that I was not addressing my posts toward you specifically and I have no "beef" with you at all.

Peace,
Unbiased

[unbiased]

Its leader, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, said that kidnappings may be justified but killings are not.[/b][/i]

BTW do you agree with the statement that it is ok to kidnap children? Or was this taken out of context?

Unbiased

[andak01]

BTW do you agree with the statement that it is ok to kidnap children? Or was this taken out of context?

Unbiased

I'm not sure how to answer that. It's OK as long as it's Americans kidnapping children to Guantanamo. I mean, that has to be OK, doesn't it? Criticizing that would be downright un-American.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/libe...23children.htm

The US military has admitted that children aged 16 years and younger are among the detainees being interrogated at its prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, a US military spokesman, yesterday said all the teenagers being held were "captured as active combatants against US forces", and described them as "enemy combatants". The children, some of whom have been held at Guantanamo for over a year, are imprisoned in separate cells from the adult detainees, Lt Col Johnson said. He would say only that the teenagers are "very few, a very small number" and would not say how old the youngest prisoner is.

[Emunah]

http://www.freemuslims.com/news/article.php?article=148 Here is an apology. Try looking at muslimwakeup.com or if you read arabic, elaph.com because you will find the ummah forum to be really radical, but not all are radical. I find forums by all religious extremists, Christian, Jewish and all others on the internet, and if you replaced the names of the people they were critisizing with the people you dislike, you would think you were in good company.

Have you appologized to the Kurds for letting Saddam, Syria, Iran and Turkey kill them en masse during and persecute them without mercy for decades? Did you, or anyone take to the streets to protest? Did anyone care enough to do more that write "oh, that's horrible"? We did nothing, but we should have, could have, and finally did. Now we are screwing them over royally by ignoring their peaceful areas, and their silent pleas for freedom and democracy, and rewarding the people doing the kidnapping and beheadings, does that sit well with you? It sure deserves a bunch of protest from us doesn't it, even though we have no control over what our government does over there!

I am NOT letting Muslims off the hook at all, but the Spanish Inquisition happened and we may recoil from it, but no one was appologizing for it at the time. We may have to do things that the human rights people are going to flip out over just to survive as a nation, but the only hope we have of winning the war against radical Islam is to reward and side with the Muslims that are brave enough to speak out and I'm collecting their names and sending them letters of appreciation. I'm staying in touch, because their will come a day when Muslims, Jews and Christians will take to the streets together to protest these fools...and that day is not far off. We are going to win by STANDING WITH those brave enough to speak up! Wherever you find a Muslim willing to say no to terror sign them up with the freemuslims and help them grow in numbers...because they are the hope of the world right now.

Also, my favorite Muslim blogger had this to say about the whole kidnapping and beheading affair. I love the Kurdish bloggers, and they are Muslims, but they are....well...judge for yourself:

oh thank you glorious arabs and islamists
Just heard breaking news... ansar al-sunna have just beheaded 3 kurds who belonged to the KDP party And apparently there's a tape.
Just another reminded of the 'love' we will receive from our arabic and islamic brethren. They're probably resentful cos' there are still methods of torture that weren't tried on us over the past many decades.

Apparently these islamic groups have been beheading kurds like flies as described by scott taylor here

Where is the international community when all this happens.. probably following and orgasming over a story of some baathist jamming his nuts in a drawer or a hearth-wrenching tale of how militants and excutioners deserve to be loved or something equally 'newsworthy'.

You know whats even sadder... they are the ppl of kurdistan and unfortunately of Iraq who are getting murdured in their own home but no one thinks it worth mentioning aren't they worthy of airtime even. Kurdish blood is cheap in the new iraq same as they were in the previous dicatorships. The only difference is that before we were killed in the name of arab nationalism now we're killed in the name of islam.

Do we have to repeat again... why is kurdistan forced to be attached to such backward countries. I know there are good ppl but in these countries the strong beat the weak and the good ppl are always week. The ones running the show have a familiar motto that goes along the lines of they want death (and that death to everyone inluding themselves) we want life. Why are these ppl allowed to exist in the 21st century.. oh wait i forgot human rights, im just really angry at the moment so I think ill stop typing now else i might end up saying something i regret

>>>>Emunah insert:MORE, I WOULD SAY THIS IS QUITE A REBUKE: I'M SORRY IF THIS IS OFFENSIVE THIS IS JUST AFTER THREE OF THEIR OWN YOUNG MEN WERE BEHEADED ON TAPE BY THESE SICKOS! The interesting thing is that it was only yesterday I mentioned the Mu'utazils here on this forum, and I have NEVER heard them mentioned before except in research. I guess some things are synchronistic or maybe their time has come >>>>

Cont: Here are the final photos of the three hostages... ends up they were just uni students whose car broke down on the way back from baghdad.. ah the 'brave' islamic front

I read the report from the mouth of impotence.. ansar al sunna and seriously the whole damn statement looked like a spoof.. brainwashed and usual referral of najis (filthy) and dirt, this coming from ppl who havent been introduced to bar of soap or water at any point in their lives and whose hearts and minds are even filthier.

Those three young men have more decency than all those islamic/resistance groups put together will ever have

Actually i don't feel comfortable insulting any religion, so i wont offend it on that basis but why not fight fire with fire. They use the Quran to claim that death is too good for us then why not turn the tables.

I'll take this oppurtunity to clarify a few points to the modern messed up muslim/arab who for some reason or other are brain dead enough to think this is some help to their religion or 'country':

1. The last person to do anything good for islam was a KURD yes pronounce each of those 4 letters carefully a kurd not the same as an arab.. Salahaddin ring a bell?
The arabs were dumb and money-hungry enough to get themselves occupied again and that has nothing to do with us. Even the ones responsible for studying the Quran and Sunna like Bukhari for example weren't arabs as well. Same applies for ppl who studied islam along with other religions thoroughly like Yusuf Ali and Ahmed Deedat.

2. Arab muslims have not done any glorious or victorious act in the name islam over the past 1000 yrs... alot of 0's i know. So any joke groups like ansar al 7aywan and sunna and tawheed and jihad or muhajereen might as very well be doing their jihad in the name of prostitution , drugs, paedophelia or foot fetishes. Remember that line in fight club where tyler durgen says 'putting feathers up ure doesn't make u a chicken' well the same applies here by feather meaning beard and meaning face.

3. The ppl who were responsible for the innovations and improvements in islamic civlization were caled the Mu'utazils. Now they were brainy ppl who believed in using ure mind alot (i know heresy) and letting ure belief just be one of the tools u use in ure life. Anyway then Ibn Taymiyah released a fatwa that said 'alwilayatu lil walee' (basically loyalty to the leader) and innovation became a sin. All mutazils were killed and we're still on this pattern till our present day

4. The Uma Islamiya (islamic state) we keep referring to started with the murder of the Prophert Muhammed's own family.And alot of them in Mecca. Also 3 out of 4 of the elected caliphates were murdered by muslims.
The Ummayid caliphate came along and the transfer of power from father to son to son to son pattern and dinasaur leaders who live forever came along with accompanying 'shriek for ure leader if ure a muslim' campaign.
The prophet's own grandchildren and subsequent family were murdered by so called islamic dynasties (leading to the establishment of the shias) Andd there are many stories about Caliphates saying things like "there was no prophecy and no muhammed" or "i won't give up my throne up even if the prophet himself asked me to"

5. The Quran itself says the A'arab are more heretic and hyposcritical.. this was translated to either bedouiin arabs or pagan arabs or pre-islamic arabs.

These are just 5 points and I don't claim to know much about islam, imagine wat would happen if more ppl who know about islam started standing up against them. Then there would be a chance of putting an end to these group of people who are acting like God's sole contractors on earth.
From: http://kurdistanblog.blogspot.com/

Just so you know that many Muslims are really angry that this is being done in their name...of course, when it was the Jews they weren't so upset, but now they are starting to see that it isn't the Jews at all, and as sad as Beslan and Saudi terror attacks are, at least they galvanized the Islamic world into action and I want to support those people as best I can.

[unbiased]

I'm not sure how to answer that. It's OK as long as it's Americans kidnapping children to Guantanamo. I mean, that has to be OK, doesn't it? Criticizing that would be downright un-American.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/libe...23children.htm

The US military has admitted that children aged 16 years and younger are among the detainees being interrogated at its prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, a US military spokesman, yesterday said all the teenagers being held were "captured as active combatants against US forces", and described them as "enemy combatants". The children, some of whom have been held at Guantanamo for over a year, are imprisoned in separate cells from the adult detainees, Lt Col Johnson said. He would say only that the teenagers are "very few, a very small number" and would not say how old the youngest prisoner is.

In your post you posted a link that stated that muslims were opposed to targetting children, yet in that very "denounciation" the muslim leader says it *IS* ok to target children for kidnapping.

Isn't is somewhat appalling that the best "denounciation" you can find a muslim leader state, still has that muslim leader saying it *IS* ok to target children.

Is it not a sad state of affairs for the muslim people?

And BTW taliban terrorist scum who are 16 years old are valid targets of war as they are trying to kill civilians with weapons and as such are NOT civilians - how you can try to equate the americans capturing 16 year old terrorists to Muslims intentionally targetting and murdering innocent nonfighting children is just appalling - a prime example of what prompted my original post.

Also, in a thread discussing evil promoted by some muslims, isn't it odd that you would actually bring up an off topic subject such as americans capturing terrrorists? Sounds like you are trying to justify the murder of innocent russian children - if that is not your goal, then perhaps you should not put the two unrelated topics side by side.

Unbiased

[unbiased]

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No response to my last post?

The silence is indeed deafening.

Muslims went out and protested when bush decided to remove the tyrant sadam hussein...so where are the muslims protesting when muslim terrorists intentionally murder 300 innocent little school children???
Why can't we even see one muslim "leader" openly condemn the act (and not at the same time try to justify it)?

In america we see americans accused of wrong doing being opposed and brought to justice - why is there none of this from the muslim world?????

Unbiased

[andak01]

No response to my last post?

The silence is indeed deafening.

I can't extend your ignorance beyond its already significant range.