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    Leon
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    Michael Moore's protege

    Michael Moore's protege

    http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...E25717,00.html


    It's easy to see where Osama bin Laden got his inspiration for his latest video release. Just watch Mike Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11.

    OSAMA bin Laden has clearly seen Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11.
    In fact, he loved the movie so much that he's borrowed the script.

    That's why bin Laden's weekend videotape of threats against the United States sounds so familiar.

    It contains at least 15 passages that repeat or seemingly endorse anti-American and anti-Bush smears from Moore's wildly praised "documentary", as well as his best-selling books and internet writings.

    Here is proof that Moore and his savage army of anti-American activists in the West really are giving comfort to the enemy in this fight against Islamist terrorists, knowingly or not.

    Bin Laden seems even to have heard Moore's complaint that September 11 killed mainly Democratic voters, rather than people from states that backed Republican George W. Bush.

    Cried Moore: "They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who did not vote for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California – these were places that voted against Bush."

    B IN Laden took the tip. In his 18-minute video, advising Americans how to "prevent another Manhattan", he advises the voters of each US state to think of their safety.

    "Every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security," he says, according to a translation by al-Jazeera, the network which aired the al-Qaida chief's tape.

    Much of the rest of his rant is a furious denunciation of Bush that sounds as if also penned by Moore, or lifted from Fahrenheit 9/11.

    You think this unfair? Well, check for yourself by comparing key parts of bin Laden's speech to passages from Moore's own work.

    Bin Laden: "We fight because we are free men who do not sleep under oppression."

    Moore: "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not `insurgents' or `terrorists' or `The Enemy'. They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow – and they will win." (Minutemen were American revolutionaries who fought Britain for independence.)

    Bin Laden: "Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real cause (of September 11) . . ."

    Moore: "We have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons." Fahrenheit 9/11 claims: "The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects . . . to keep the very structure of society intact."

    Bin Laden: ". . . it had never occurred to us to strike towers (but) we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the America/Israel coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon . . ."

    Moore: "You and I and millions of other taxpaying Americans . . . buy bullets that go into the Israeli guns that kill the Palestinian children."

    Bin Laden: Bush's father, President George H.W. Bush, "became jealous of (Arab autocrats who) embezzle the public wealth of the nation", and now his son's administration resembles these regimes, "characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth".

    Moore: Fahrenheit 9/11 falsely claims Saudi Arabian leaders bought off the Bush family by investing $US1.4 billion in them, their friends and their businesses. Moore elsewhere rages: "These bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug s who need to be brought down . . ."

    fBin Laden: "The Bush Administration has also gained (from the war on terror), of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced."

    Moore: "Halliburton is not a `company' doing business in Iraq. It is a WAR PROFITEER." Fahrenheit 9/11 claims Bush invaded Afghanistan not to destroy al-Qaida, but to win a gas pipe deal there that benefited Halliburton, once led by Vice-President Dick Cheney.

    Bin Laden: Bush's father "took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act under the pretence of fighting terrorism."

    Moore: Fahrenheit 9/11 claims the Patriot Act harassed "people (who) were just minding their own business, or seeking to partake in our free society".

    Bin Laden: Bush took "expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida".

    Moore: Fahrenheit 9/11 claims Bush cronies in Florida rigged the vote, allowing "daddy's friends on the Supreme Court" to illegally hand him the election.

    Bin Laden: Bush on S-11 left "50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone . . . because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important".

    Moore: Fahrenheit 9/11 shows Bush watching students being read to as he is told of the attacks. Moore sneers that "with no one telling him what to do . . . Mr Bush just sat there, and continued to read My Pet Goat with the children".

    There's more examples of Moore's propaganda matching bin Laden's script, but you get the idea.

    Nor is this a freak coincidence. One of the Bali bombers, Sumadra, had his lawyer quote Moore in court last year to justify his murder of 202 people and organisations connected to the terrorist Hezbollah offered to help market Fahrenheit 9/11 in the Middle East.

    No wonder, that, given Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, seems as scripted by Moore as does bin Laden.

    Here's Moore on the war on Iraq: "This is the war of a despotic, arrogant and cruel country against the nations of the world."

    And here's Nasrallah: "The US Government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for US corporations to do business in other countries."

    NO, all this is beyond a coincidence. Moore – darling of the US Democrat party and winner of the Cannes Film Festival's Palme d'Or for Fahrenheit 9/11 – really is singing the terrorists' favourite songs.

    Of course, he probably believes what he chants is true, even the obvious untruths. He probably condemns most of the killings the terrorists do for the cause he helps them to justify. Nor is there a lack of activists, actors, writers and academics who are with him in seeing Islamist terrorists as just freedom fighters against a despotic US.

    But if you believe such terrorists are actually at war with freedom – ours as well as that of Muslims – then Moore's raucous preaching sounds too much like the crowing of carrion eaters.

    It sounds, in fact, just like the squawking of surrender.

    bolta@heraldsun.com.au

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    Just to repeat: Nor is this a freak coincidence. One of the Bali bombers, Sumadra, had his lawyer quote Moore in court last year to justify his murder of 202 people and organisations connected to the terrorist Hezbollah offered to help market Fahrenheit 9/11 in the Middle East.

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    Rumsfeld once made reference to a scene from a Leni Reifenstahl movie. But that's neither here nor there. Like most of your ilk you don't really want to address the issues only the people, who for whatever reason, point them out. Moore, however obnoxious and disingenuous is not the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    Rumsfeld once made reference to a scene from a Leni Reifenstahl movie. But that's neither here nor there. Like most of your ilk you don't really want to address the issues only the people, who for whatever reason, point them out. Moore, however obnoxious and disingenuous is not the issue.
    Me and my "ilk" dont want to address the issues only the people?

    So what are the issues? Examining the root causes of terrorism? Trying to understand why someone would murder innocent men, women and children?

    Oooh I get it, they are oppressed, occuppied and the evil corporations constantly harrasse them. They are only freedom fighters and revolutionaries.

    No, Michael moore, who LIES about everything and dedicates one of his books to Rachael Corrie is not the real problem. Neither is Robert Fisk who recently got a standing ovation from Osama Bin Laden. No...there are real pressing issues behind all this...big fat stupid white men, corporations, republicans/conservatives, capitalists you name it. If we get rid of all this - then Osama will get his merry band of freedom fighters to lay down their weapons and call it a truce.

    If only someone told Churchill and Roosevelt 60 years ago what the real problem was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon

    If only someone told Churchill and Roosevelt 60 years ago what the real problem was.
    No but only if someone said Wilson and The French in 1918 what a tragedy they causing, you could Keep Hitler painting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon
    So what are the issues? Examining the root causes of terrorism? Trying to understand why someone would murder innocent men, women and children?

    Oooh I get it, they are oppressed, occuppied and the evil corporations constantly harrasse them. They are only freedom fighters and revolutionaries.

    No, Michael moore, who LIES about everything and dedicates one of his books to Rachael Corrie is not the real problem. Neither is Robert Fisk who recently got a standing ovation from Osama Bin Laden. No...there are real pressing issues behind all this...big fat stupid white men, corporations, republicans/conservatives, capitalists you name it. If we get rid of all this - then Osama will get his merry band of freedom fighters to lay down their weapons and call it a truce.

    If only someone told Churchill and Roosevelt 60 years ago what the real problem was.
    Well the real problem is obvious. We're engaged in a fight. But the fight is not over here. In fact I recall Mr. Bush stating quite clearly that the reason we are in Iraq is to fight them there not here. Osama & co. are exploiting your hot buttons in same way that Karl Rove turned the election into a mandate on homosexuality. Apparently we'll all be much safer if those two dudes who share a house down the block aren't legally married. But again, the fight is not here, it's there.

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    Oh Pleassssssse.

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    People like Michael Moore may not be the problem now but they may become part of the problem.The war on terror like any war cannot be fought without the approval and support of the public at large.And that support may decline if much of public opinion is swayed by the likes of Michael moore and his ilk.

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    Don't tell me protest is sedition.

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    No, but claiming that dissent is being suppressed when it clearly is not at every opportunity gets slightly annoying. No one is denying you your right to bitch and whine. Get over not being oppressed. Being the minority =/= being put down by The Man.

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    Exactly. This right wing we-control-everything and yet spout victimization politics is incredibly self serving and transparent.

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    If by "right-wing" you mean "left-wing" I agree 100%.

    Nice try though.

    Wait, no it wasn't.

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    But in the end, Michael Moore's virulent attempts to smear Bush only backfired and helped incentivize Bush supporters to come out and vote.

    Thank you, Michael Moore.
    "All we are saying is give peace a chance." - John Lennon

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    More likely it was neutral. The election was decided by values, not any of the issues covered by Moore. He ended up preaching to the choir or the people who didn't vote.

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    Moore has made some anti Israeli comments.

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