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Josef Mengele in Brazil
"Angel of Death" Diary Shows No Regrets
By Erich Wiedemann and Jens Glüsing
That name it's still now , frightening to me , I din't new that he dressed himself for a while,with my Family name.
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Josef Mengele in Brazil
"Angel of Death" Diary Shows No Regrets
By Erich Wiedemann and Jens Glüsing
That name it's still now , frightening to me , I din't new that he dressed himself for a while,with my Family name.
It is not in the name of children's rights. It's in the name of parents' rights, and they do have the right to control every single aspect of their children's upbringing up to the age of 18. U.S. is one of a handful of countries that refuse to implement the U.N. resolution on children's rights because most people here don't want children to have any. I don't know how it is in Israel, but when I was growing up in FSU, education was a right, and parents could not block children from learning something, even if they don't agree with the content. Here, many subjects require parental permission. I know of people whose children were given parental consent forms for them to watch "Schindler's list" in class, and to be allowed to read Mark Twain's fiction because the later dealt with race issues, and some black students found it offensive in the past.Originally Posted by wellofvow
I am pretty sure students at Jefferson Davis High Schools and Robert E. Lee High Schools across the South are given a somewhat different perspective on the issue.Does this mean that the southern states don't teach anything about the Civil War because it is disturbing that the South lost?
In some localities it might not be. What is taught has to be approved by a local school board made up of elected local officials.Does this mean that the subject of cancer is not brought up until university since it is disturbing? Biology students aren't shown nature movies, where the big bad lions hunt and eat little Bambis?
Luckily, that's under federal or state control.In driver's ed classes, teenagers aren't shown movies of what happens when driving under the influence, or recklessly, since this is disturbing?
As far as I know, it is taught as a part of history, but only in very general terms. It is one of these subjects that people have to condemn as a very horrible thing that happened in the last century. But the presentations of graphic nature, the kind that really give people the sense of what that was like, or the real scope of it, are either extremely limited or absent. Pictures like the one in the first post within this thread would definetely not be shown, or would require parental concent.Denying or trivializing the effects of the Holocaust on particular segments of society (Jews, gypsies, etc.) will have horrific outcomes, since it is a model of political science.
London school to host conference on 'Resisting Israeli Apartheid'
By Tamara Traubman, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
A decision by The London University School of Oriental and African Studies to host a conference on Sunday at which academics will launch a campaign to break links with Israeli universities has raised a stir among Jewish groups, Army Radio and the Guardian reported.
The school's Palestinian Society which organized the event, called the conference Resisting Israeli Apartheid: Strategies and Principles. Jewish groups are accusing the society of inciting hatred.
Organizers are calling on the academic community to avoid cooperating with Israeli research institutes, to shun Israeli researchers by barring them from international conferences and by not awarding them any prizes. The organizers promise, however, to support any Israeli researchers who support their Palestinian counterparts in their struggle for self determination and academic freedom.
Several Israeli and Jewish professors and students are also set to attend the conference.
Dr. Ilan Pappe of Haifa University will deliver a lecture on the significance and meaning of the academic ban. Ben Young, of the Jewish Students for Justice for Palestinians group will deliver a lecture titled The Students Role: Lessons from South Africa.
The President of Israel's National Academy of Sciences, Prof. Menahem Ya'ari said the conference was "a pathetic attempt to revive a failed academic boycott of Israeli researchers and institutions from two years ago - an effort which was condemned by academics in both the U.S. and Europe.
The university's Jewish Society has lodged a complaint with the school about its decision to allow Tom Paulin to deliver a keynote address.
Paulin, a poet and academic, was quoted in the Arab newspaper Al-Ahram Weekly in 2002 as saying that settlers "should be shot dead". He later claimed that he had been misquoted.
Gavin Gross, of the school's Jewish Society, said: "I see this conference as an out-and-out hate conference which is solely there to de-legitimize Israel and its people. It makes no pretence of balance. SOAS has a reputation for being the center of political extremism. In the past this has only meant the vilification of Israel; there's no attempt at all to achieve an understanding of the conflict."
Other speakers at the conference include Professors Steven and Hilary Rose, who began the call for an academic boycott of Israel more than two years ago in a letter to the Guardian, and the linguist Mona Baker, who was the subject of an official inquiry by the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology after she fired two Israeli contibutors to a journal she edited.
Danny Stone, of the Union of Jewish Students, which is organising a counter-meeting at SOAS Sunday, said he had attended a meeting with the university to ask for extra security to ensure the safety of Jewish students on campus.
But one of the conference organisers, Awad Joumaa, a coordinator of the Palestinian Society, said: "We are promoting peace and equality for the Palestinian people.
"We are not the ones inciting hatred here. We are the ones under attack. If having an academic conference is inciting hatred, I don't know what their definition of it is."
The school released a statement distancing itself from the conference.
i think its worse that there are holocausts occuring in Africa right now, and not only do people not do anything about it, the same percentages of ignorance about auschwitz could be found at greater numbers regarding Rwanda and Sudan.
Well said.
The current, total war now being waged in the Congo region involves
9 African countries and has plunged much of central Africa into complete
chaos, despair and depravity.
Millions of people have been slaughtered with no end in sight. These
former Euro colonies are acting exacting as their masters have done for
centuries in Europe.
Africa has learned to emulate the European Union -- very well.
On the scale of human misery, Central Africa is a far greater
catastrophe than Kosovo at its worst, or even Iraq in the wildest
fantasies of Chomsky and Saddamites everywhere (those who supported
Saddam's bid to remain in power).
Nothing of the sort. Many hundreds of thousands of people knew about the Shoah and chose to ignore it. Everyone knows about Rwanda, Congo and Sudan. They didn't care about in the 30's and 40's they don't care about it now. We don't expect school children to save anyone, do we?
I just saw a documentary about King Leopold of Belgium. He was of German decent like all the European royals. He murdered 10 million Congolese between 1895 and 1905 to get their rubber. This is European civilization.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1102432932687
Poll: Over 50% of Germans equate IDF with Nazi army
Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST Dec. 7, 2004 Six decades after the mass extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust by Nazi Germany, more than 50 percent of Germans believe that Israel's present-day treatment of the Palestinians is similar to what the Nazis did to the Jews during World War II, a German survey released this weekend shows.
51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust, compared to 49% who disagreed with such a comparison, according to the poll carried out by Germany's University of Bielefeld.
The survey also found that 68 percent of Germans believe that Israel is waging a "war of extermination" against the Palestinians, while some 32% disagreed with such a statement.
In a first reaction, the chairman of Yad Vashem's directorate Avner Shalev said Tuesday that the poll's results, which he termed "very worrisome," were indicative of a long-suppressed felling of anti-Semitism among the mainstream "so-called liberals" population which now, under the coating of anti-Israeli criticism, are becoming legitimate again. He added that the poll's results, which he said any objective person would repudiate, are also the result of the release of pent-up feelings of guilt built up from the Holocaust.
"The energies which bring about such answers come to protect feelings of guilt," Shalev said. 62 percent of respondents in the poll said that they were sick of "all this harping" of German crimes against Jews, while 68% said that they found it "annoying" that Germans today are still held to blame for Nazi crimes against Jews.
The survey, which aimed to determine what is "the cut off point" between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, finds that while "classical" anti-Semitism in Germany is on the wane, secondary anti-Semitism, often couched in anti-Israel views are on the rise, especially among the Left.
The German researchers who conducted the polls conceded that the results showing a majority of Germans equating Israel's Policy with Nazi Atrocities "may be worrying," but concurred with Yad Vashem's Shalev that the media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinians conflict has made such analogies part of the public discourse.
"When you see an image in the newspaper, in a caricature, which is repeated day in and day out that Sharon is equal to Hitler than the image catches in your head because maybe you do not like Jews so much or maybe you hate Jews, and than this works out excellent," Shalev said, stressing that education of the young generation was the key to stemming such a tide.
In the survey, 82 percent of the respondents polled said that they are angered by the way Israel is treating the Palestinians, while 45 percent of those polled said that considering Israel's policies it was "no surprise" that people were against them.
The telephone poll of 3000 "non-migrant" respondents, which was taken in May and June, did not come with a margin of error.
"This is a very sad commentary about what is happening in Europe today which needs to send a very strong warning signal about how much work needed to be done to deal with these attitudes," said, Dr. Ephraim Zuroff, the Israel director of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center.
Due in part to its blighted history, Germany is generally considered to be one of the more supportive countries of Israel in Europe.
I wonder if the news agencies that create these comparisons and allegations can be sued for deflamation of character and libel.
good grief
[..51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference
between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the
Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust ..]
two differences
1. German Jews werent going around blowing up trolley cars, beer halls and
kindergartens in Germany.
2. The IDF is not conducting mass exterminations at the rate of several
thousand per day.
You don't think that the Euro's don't know this?
They know that, if Israel wanted to, it could have killed all of the Pal Arabs. They know that Israel is being provoked with suicide bombers and that it is in fact that Arabs that are calling for the genocide of the Jews, not the other way around.
But the Euro's DON'T CARE!!!
They, in their post-religious world, believe that they are beyond sin (note that a large part of religion, Jewish and true Christian, is the idea that we are all sinners - on Yom Kippur we announce all the bad things we have done, Catholics confess, although in some ways they seem to get off easy with concepts like Absolution - but that is less here in the US).
So, they not only don't sin, they have NEVER sinned. They would rather be allowed to go on hating Jews than admit that they are human and filled with fault, sometimes terrible ones.
Europe has not changes. Hitler won, in that aspect. They are pagan-like amoralists, concerned only with their own comfort.
The Israeli Defense Force is not conducting any exterminations.
Maybe I'm wrong, but as Jews we don't have the original sin doctrine or a similar one, but I understand what you're saying. Still I wouldn't blame it on religion. It is the fault of the media, which portrays Arabs as victims, while ignoring the truth. And the results are truly distrubing.
Extremely disturbing, not to mention; it only confirms that the Germans and other Euros are not as enlightened, as they like to believe. Like, KettleWhistle, I blame a lot on the media, though cannot totally exclude religion: total ignorance!
I hope they rot in hell with their beloved leader Adolf
This poll in Germany confirms that Germany has not changed. Well over 50% of Germans think Israelis are Nazis. Anyone who compares Israel to the Nazis is a raving antisemite.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1102432932687
Poll: Over 50% of Germans equate IDF with Nazi army
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
Six decades after the mass extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust by Nazi Germany, more than 50 percent of Germans believe that Israel's present-day treatment of the Palestinians is similar to what the Nazis did to the Jews during World War II, a German survey released this weekend shows.
51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust, compared to 49% who disagreed with such a comparison, according to the poll carried out by Germany's University of Bielefeld.
The survey also found that 68 percent of Germans believe that Israel is waging a "war of extermination" against the Palestinians, while some 32% disagreed with such a statement.
In a first reaction, the chairman of Yad Vashem's directorate Avner Shalev said Tuesday that the poll's results, which he termed "very worrisome," were indicative of a long-suppressed felling of anti-Semitism among the mainstream "so-called liberals" population which now, under the coating of anti-Israeli criticism, are becoming legitimate again. He added that the poll's results, which he said any objective person would repudiate, are also the result of the release of pent-up feelings of guilt built up from the Holocaust.
"The energies which bring about such answers come to protect feelings of guilt," Shalev said. 62 percent of respondents in the poll said that they were sick of "all this harping" of German crimes against Jews, while 68% said that they found it "annoying" that Germans today are still held to blame for Nazi crimes against Jews.
The survey, which aimed to determine what is "the cut off point" between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, finds that while "classical" anti-Semitism in Germany is on the wane, secondary anti-Semitism, often couched in anti-Israel views are on the rise, especially among the Left.
The German researchers who conducted the polls conceded that the results showing a majority of Germans equating Israel's Policy with Nazi Atrocities "may be worrying," but concurred with Yad Vashem's Shalev that the media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinians conflict has made such analogies part of the public discourse.
"When you see an image in the newspaper, in a caricature, which is repeated day in and day out that Sharon is equal to Hitler than the image catches in your head because maybe you do not like Jews so much or maybe you hate Jews, and than this works out excellent," Shalev said, stressing that education of the young generation was the key to stemming such a tide.
In the survey, 82 percent of the respondents polled said that they are angered by the way Israel is treating the Palestinians, while 45 percent of those polled said that considering Israel's policies it was "no surprise" that people were against them.
The telephone poll of 3000 "non-migrant" respondents, which was taken in May and June, did not come with a margin of error.
"This is a very sad commentary about what is happening in Europe today which needs to send a very strong warning signal about how much work needed to be done to deal with these attitudes," said, Dr. Ephraim Zuroff, the Israel director of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center.
Due in part to its blighted history, Germany is generally considered to be one of the more supportive countries of Israel in Europe.
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