That was quite an interesting trailer. I think that I'll buy the dvd.Originally Posted by Semsem
There is quite a contrast between Jews and the Arabs. A million Jews were forced from the Arab lands, from the homes of their ancestors, because of two reasons. 1. They were Jews and they were a minority. 2. Those in charge, and in the majority were Arabs, and the Arabs were, and still are, violent racists.
Jewish refugees started out in tents, with nothing but barren land. Jews built a powerful, advanced nation out of the deserts, with little if no support from the rest of the world.
Arab refugees started out in tents, with some of the best farm land in the area, and have had the support of the rest of the world. Arabs built a powerful, backward culture of hate, violence and terrorism.
All the more reason to give the Arab "refugees" and their descedents more money and aid whilst ignoring the plight and suffering of one million Jewish refugees and their descendents at the hands of the arabs.
i'm entertained at how the world is asking israel to resolve the palestinian refugee issue, a problem that israel didn't even create, and how no one bothers pressuring arab states to compensate the nearly one million jews who were banished from their homes in arab countries. the arab world owes oriental jews billions. in fact, all we hear in the media are the palestinian refugees, the palestinian refugees. we never hear about the jewish refugees.
>>in fact, all we hear in the media are the palestinian refugees, the palestinian refugees. we never hear about the jewish refugees.>>
It makes me sick. You would think they were the only refugees. They turned us into refugees.
Originally Posted by CanDo
Well, when you focus more on making bombs how can you progress? (in this case the Arabs)
Look at all the money many Muslims have, the Saudi Royal family, all the money Arafat had, Osama has billions, etc. etc. But what do they spend on? Their people? social reforms?
just guns and weapons?
Guns and weapons can't feed a child, it can't cure you from a desease. Weapons don't build beatiful houses.
Jews focused on building a democratic and rich social life, while Arabs just care about guns.
guns and pushing fanatic forms of islam forward. instead of focusing on how to spread freedom and democracy, medicine and the knowledge of science together with the rest of the world for the good of everybody, the arabs focus on how spread their jihadist ideology all over the globe by preaching hatred and committing terrorism against innocent people.Originally Posted by defari
the arab world is a truly backwards society. granted, they have modernized in some areas. but let's not forget that the rich in arab states are the monarchies, not the middle class. we all the time hear about the wealth arab states have from oil. the truth is the royal families are the ones who are wealthy off all the oil. the middle and lower class people see nothing out of it. the monarchies live like royalty off the back of their people.
I am not saying that all Arabs are mentally defective, but one has to wonder at the illogical, strange behavior of hate and violence that seems to permeate Arab culture.Originally Posted by defari
I have read estimates that at least 25% of the human race suffers from some form of mental illness or defect. Perhaps that is the only area in which Arabs excel?
Hello all iam new to the board! Great Board and great topics, which i look forward to debating and dicussing the issues.Originally Posted by tandem
â€œIâ€™m entertained at how the world is asking Israel to resolve the Palestinian refugee issue, a problem that Israel didn't even create, and how no one bothers pressuring Arab states to compensate the nearly one million Jews who were banished from their homes in Arab countries.
Why are you entertained how the world is asking Israel to resolve the Palestinian issue? Well let me entertain you with the notation it is an Israeli issue because of their antics of bulldozing the Palestinian homes. Another issue that you state that it isnâ€™t Israel problem? How ignorant can some believe that Israel is perfect, which implying they (Israel) canâ€™t do no wrong or have direct effects on the refugee issue? Iam not defending Israel or Palestinian but Iâ€™ve studied this region and the politics of both sides and its both sides that are at fault.
â€œWe never hear about the Jewish refugees.â€
No, the US fits that bill for all the settlements in the West bank and Gaza Strip to any Jew that is willing to live in those areas. That includes refugees that come from other Arab nations that are banished on the funds of the US people. Iam sure when and if Israel pulls out of those areas that I would hope that they leave those settlements in tact in leaving those for Palestinians to live in. Why should Israel care in leaving them up when they have destroyed those homes of the Palestinians? After all the US will fit the bill for the relocation of all the settlements in Gaza and WB! Ill tell you what, iam sick of US administrations fitting the bill for Israel safety and not saying this is what you are going to do and you will do it.
As for the movie, I saw this film at the University I attended on Arab Israeli Conflict and other middle eastern classes.
Do you feel closed minded when you fault Israel for bulldozing Palestinian homes, while not faulting the Arabs for destroying Jewish homes and synagogues. Arabs not only destroyed the buildings, but also murdered the Jewish men, women and children who used them.Originally Posted by Acidrain
It is ignorant of you to think that Israel is perfect. Afterall, you are the only one who has posted that idea.How ignorant can some believe that Israel is perfect,
It must be embarrassing for you to have studied the region so much, but know very little about the history of the region. Did you do as badly in your other studies?I am not defending Israel or Palestinian but Iâ€™ve studied this region and the politics of both sides ...
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Cheap shot, thats all you have? Iam sorry the truth hurts!
The only cheapshots here have been yours, Acidrain.
You have deliberately taking things out of context. For example, bulldozing houses in Jerusalem that are built without permits happens to both Jews and Arabs - it happens that more Arabs build without permits, and they use the media.
Bulldozing houses that are used as cover for smuggling tunnels or for firing positions is legitimate military necessity. As soon as the terrorists turned those houses essentially into military bases, then the houses became fair targets.
Bulldozing houses of suicide bombers is probably the most questionable of the kind, however, it is also the most effective detterent Israel has against suicide bombings, since a large incentive was not just the emotional martyrdom, but the money that a bombers family recieved and recieves. The consequences of suicide bombing are now greater. So I don't shed a single tear in terms of destroying a mass murderers home and the home of those who supported and helped indoctrinate a mass murderer. The US did much worse to houses (and people) in Afghanistan.
But this is all tangential, since it is a deliberate aside from the point that you refused to answer and acknowledge (which says a lot about you)...
That is to say, there were in fact more Jewish Refugees from Arab nations and Arabs from Jews. These refugees were not fleeing a war zone, they were simply expelled. Nor were the Jewish refugees part of an ethnic group attacking (with the intent of national destruction and genocide) the nation they were expelled from.
But while the Arab refugees got UNRWA and BILLIONS in assistance, assistance that is ongoing, these refugees got little. Now, admittedly, Israel did get a lot of assistance early on from Germany - as REPARATIONS FROM THE HOLOCAUST. Pre-1967, Israel recieved military aid from the French and English, but that was to help those nations entrench THEIR power, and it was somewhat limited. And after 1967, Israel began recieving more US aid, spent mostly on US WEAPONS - helping keep Americans employed and the US defense industry self-sufficient and ongoing - necessities of global politics.
But, in the end, ISRAEL, the JEWS, took care of their own, while the Arab nations made them live in squalor, limited what professions they could practice, of course none had a vote and only one nation, Jordan, WESTERN PALESTINE, gave them citizenship. That's why the Arabs living in the WB and Gaza under "occupation" had higher standards of living than all of their neighbors until they embarked on the path of jihad.
You may, like others on this forum, attempt to distract people from the big picture and over-arching truths. We all know what that makes you. And you will fail.
Good post! You covered a lot of ground, and explained an account of the region and it's refugee past, that even a cheapshot like Acidrain might be able to understand. You and I probably agree that he is not the slightest bit interested in historical fact.Originally Posted by MGB8
is that what we're doing? are we debating issues or are you just here to throw sucker punches against israelis based on all the you've been taught on campus?Originally Posted by Acidrain
so what? many structures are either abandoned and used by palestinian snipers, some have had weapons tunnel running underneath, and some have been caught in the crossfire between terrorists and israeli troops. if the palestinians don't want structures bulldozed they should take effective action against the terrorists who use these houses to attack israel. it's a very simple equation and it's one that the palestinians for some reason don't seem to grasp. as for demolishing the homes of homicide bombers, as subjective as this tactic may be, it is an effective measured deterrent against terrorism. a house can always be replaced and the families of terrorists often rebuild their homes with money from syria, iran, and saudi arabia. however, the innocent israelis that these murderers kill can never be replaced.Why are you entertained how the world is asking Israel to resolve the Palestinian issue? Well let me entertain you with the notation it is an Israeli issue because of their antics of bulldozing the Palestinian homes.
spare me your pitiful efforts to come across as a balanced critic. no, the israelis are not perfect, no nation is, but when you compare israel with other despotic regimes in the world or the draconian social structure of the entire arab world, a region that with the exception of israel has no democracy, no human rights, no rights for women, a region where people, including women and children, are executed by beheadings, hangings, stoning, and firing squads, a region that cultivates radical islam and unleashes its jihadist ideology against the rest of the world, israel is a much better place.Another issue that you state that it isnâ€™t Israel problem? How ignorant can some believe that Israel is perfect, which implying they (Israel) canâ€™t do no wrong or have direct effects on the refugee issue? Iam not defending Israel or Palestinian but Iâ€™ve studied this region and the politics of both sides and its both sides that are at fault.
with regards to the refugee problem, israel did not create it and thus it shouldn't be the one who has to resolve anything. contrary to popular belief, arab leaders are the one who encouraged palestinian arabs to leave palestine because arab states were preparing to launch a war to eliminate the jews. furthermore, the arabs have made up stories about massacres committed by jews so that the arab population will turn against the jews and fight them. their plan backfired when the local arab population simply fled palestine and they have been "refugees" ever since.
it's amazing how israel could absorb 800,000 jews who were banished and persecuted by arab states and how the arabs can't absorb 700,000 of their muslim brothers who were made refugees by heeding the calls of arab leaders. instead of accepting these palestinian arabs and giving them human rights, the arab league has kept them as bargaining chips in impoverished camps that are bankrolled by the entire world.
the disengagement from gaza and parts of the west bank will be carried by the israeli taxpayer and not the american taxpayer.No, the US fits that bill for all the settlements in the West bank and Gaza Strip to any Jew that is willing to live in those areas.
are you dumb or are you just pretending? the homes in the jewish communities will be razed.That includes refugees that come from other Arab nations that are banished on the funds of the US people. Iam sure when and if Israel pulls out of those areas that I would hope that they leave those settlements in tact in leaving those for Palestinians to live in.
because they have no obligation to leave these homes intact. besides, it would be morally wrong to do so. this land belongs to the jewish people and it's been that way before any muslim set foot in palestine. these areas will be evacuated as a concession for peace. it remains to be seen what kind of concessions the palestinians will make for peace. so far they have made none.Why should Israel care in leaving them up when they have destroyed those homes of the Palestinians?
in my opinion israel is already paying a price for being friends with america. at the same time america owes a lot to israel. no other country in the world has supported the united states as much as israel. it is a relationship based on mutual interests. israel is america's gateway to the middle east and the only reliable ally in the region.Ill tell you what, iam sick of US administrations fitting the bill for Israel safety and not saying this is what you are going to do and you will do it.
you must be one of them liberal dimwits who's been brainwashed by hippy professors and terror apologists.As for the movie, I saw this film at the University I attended on Arab Israeli Conflict and other middle eastern classes.
I disagree on somethings - there were some "massacres" of Arabs around 48, although most are vastly, VASTLY exagerrated. And some Israelis wanted Arabs to leave and encouraged them, while others did the opposite. Certainly Israel didn't let them back in. However, lets be real, when you are in an ethnic conflict, you are going to encounter population/territory swaps. See Germany post WW2, or India Pakistan, or Greece-Turkey.
Meanwhile, Israel is a vastly important strategic ally of the US. It is the US's ONLY reliable ally in the Mideast. Not Turkey (see what happened when the US wanted to use the bases?). Not the Sauds (they can be bought by the highest bidder). Not Egypt or Jordan. Israel. Why? Because Israel needs the US, and, more than that (because Israel could try to tie itself to Russia or China), because Israeli is ideologically and culturally more like the US than maybe any other nation in the world (sans Australia and maybe Britain and Canada).
Now, considering the importance of mideast oil, and the need for reliable access to Asia (home of India, China, and the USSR's Nukes)...having Israel in the back pocket is key for the US.
Israel also is the front line in the War on Jihadism, and Israel's tactics and trials and errors are examples for the US. Not to mention much more intelligence "on the ground" in Jihadistan.
Of course, lefties believe like the appeasers...if you just give the Jihadists Israel, like you gave Hitler Austria and Czeckoslovakia, they will be content and just go away and leave us alone. To bad none of the lefties study history or human psycology enough to understand, when you get a positive result to a tactic, you go back to that tactic. When violence gets you something, you just use more and greater of that violence.
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