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    Gvil
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    One of the best articles about anti-Semitism, christian perpective


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    Luke90
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    It's not really about Christian anti-semitism.
    It comes back to it in the conclusion but most of the examples are of an Islamic origin.

    His theory that westerners are anti-semitic because of jealousy that the Jews were chosen by G-d, is undermined by the fact that most westerners in an increasingly secular society probably don't even know or care that the Jews claim to be chosen by G-d.

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    Semsem
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    [QUOTE=Luke90]It's not really about Christian anti-semitism.
    It comes back to it in the conclusion but most of the examples are of an Islamic origin.>>

    Outward antisemitism is Moslem. But subtle antisemitism is Christian European. A British friend just sent me this Jewish joke which I find to be ANTISEMITIC and INSENSITIVE:

    A man walked into the Women's Department of Macy's in New York
    > City.
    > > >>> He
    > > >>>>>> >tells the saleslady, "I would like a Jewish bra for my wife,
    size
    > > >>> 34B."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >With a quizzical look the saleslady asked, "What kind of bra?"
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >He repeated "A Jewish Bra - She said to tell you that she wanted
    a
    > > >>> Jewish
    > > >>>>>> >Bra, and that you would know what she wanted."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >"Ah, now I remember," said the saleslady. "We don't get as many
    > > >>> requests
    > > >>>>>> >for them as we used to. Mostly our customers lately want the
    > > >>>>>> >Catholic
    > > >>> bra, or
    > > >>>>>> >the Salvation Army bra, or the Presbyterian type."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >Confused, and a little flustered, the man asked "So, what are
    the
    > > >>> differences?"
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >The saleslady responded. "It is all really quite simple. The
    > > >>> Catholic type
    > > >>>>>> >supports the masses. The Salvation Army lifts up the fallen,
    and
    > > >>>>>> >the
    > > >>>>>> >Presbyterian type keeps them staunch and upright."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >He mused on that information for a minute, and asked "So, what
    is
    > > >>>>>> >the
    > > >>>>>> >Jewish type for?"
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >"They," she replied, "make mountains out of molehills.
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

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    minusthejihad
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    [QUOTE=Semsem]
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke90
    It's not really about Christian anti-semitism.
    It comes back to it in the conclusion but most of the examples are of an Islamic origin.>>

    Outward antisemitism is Moslem. But subtle antisemitism is Christian European. A British friend just sent me this Jewish joke which I find to be ANTISEMITIC and INSENSITIVE:

    A man walked into the Women's Department of Macy's in New York
    > City.
    > > >>> He
    > > >>>>>> >tells the saleslady, "I would like a Jewish bra for my wife,
    size
    > > >>> 34B."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >With a quizzical look the saleslady asked, "What kind of bra?"
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >He repeated "A Jewish Bra - She said to tell you that she wanted
    a
    > > >>> Jewish
    > > >>>>>> >Bra, and that you would know what she wanted."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >"Ah, now I remember," said the saleslady. "We don't get as many
    > > >>> requests
    > > >>>>>> >for them as we used to. Mostly our customers lately want the
    > > >>>>>> >Catholic
    > > >>> bra, or
    > > >>>>>> >the Salvation Army bra, or the Presbyterian type."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >Confused, and a little flustered, the man asked "So, what are
    the
    > > >>> differences?"
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >The saleslady responded. "It is all really quite simple. The
    > > >>> Catholic type
    > > >>>>>> >supports the masses. The Salvation Army lifts up the fallen,
    and
    > > >>>>>> >the
    > > >>>>>> >Presbyterian type keeps them staunch and upright."
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >He mused on that information for a minute, and asked "So, what
    is
    > > >>>>>> >the
    > > >>>>>> >Jewish type for?"
    > > >>>>>> >
    > > >>>>>> >"They," she replied, "make mountains out of molehills.
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    That's not anti-semitic. That's funny. Please don't confuse humor with true hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke90
    It's not really about Christian anti-semitism.
    It comes back to it in the conclusion but most of the examples are of an Islamic origin.

    His theory that westerners are anti-semitic because of jealousy that the Jews were chosen by G-d, is undermined by the fact that most westerners in an increasingly secular society probably don't even know or care that the Jews claim to be chosen by G-d.
    While that is his last paragraph, the majority speaks of the conclusion that anti-semitism (and, btw, much of it is devoted to non-Islamic examples - your statement is clearly innacurate) is caused by a need to blame "the other" and also jewish weakness (its a small group).

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    Formula
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    That really was a great article, thanks for the link.

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    Toga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke90
    It's not really about Christian anti-semitism.
    It comes back to it in the conclusion but most of the examples are of an Islamic origin.

    His theory that westerners are anti-semitic because of jealousy that the Jews were chosen by G-d, is undermined by the fact that most westerners in an increasingly secular society probably don't even know or care that the Jews claim to be chosen by G-d.
    The Euros will always find a way to hate the Jews. Anti-Semitism runs deep in their veins. The anti-Semitism and Western European culture are intertwined. They dedicated the most beautiful structures in the world to one Jew. They adore him. When they are born they pray to him. When they are sick they ask him for help. When they are in any kind of emotional distress they ask him for spiritual guidance. Before they die they pray to him. They love one Jew but hate the rest of the Jews and especially the living Jews.

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    Luke90
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    They adore him. When they are born they pray to him. When they are sick they ask him for help. When they are in any kind of emotional distress they ask him for spiritual guidance. Before they die they pray to him. They love one Jew
    The majority don't nowadays.
    That's why I find his argument of jealousy unlikely.
    People can't be jealous of something they aren't even aware of.

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    Gvil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toga
    The Euros will always find a way to hate the Jews. Anti-Semitism runs deep in their veins. The anti-Semitism and Western European culture are intertwined. They dedicated the most beautiful structures in the world to one Jew. They adore him. When they are born they pray to him. When they are sick they ask him for help. When they are in any kind of emotional distress they ask him for spiritual guidance. Before they die they pray to him. They love one Jew but hate the rest of the Jews and especially the living Jews.
    Including myself (I'm christian), except for my great love for Israel and Israelis. I just wanted to show that there are christians who care and love Israelis. It's in the Holy Bible and whoever doesen't see it is blind.

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    Luke90
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    I just wanted to show that there are christians who care and love Israelis.
    You seem to think that most don't.
    I think most probably aren't that interested in Israel, but I don't get the impression that many Christians are anti-semitic. Do you?

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    Mira
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gvil
    Including myself (I'm christian), except for my great love for Israel and Israelis. I just wanted to show that there are christians who care and love Israelis. It's in the Holy Bible and whoever doesen't see it is blind.
    Thanks, Gvil. It's important to know that there are more and more Christians out there who actually read the bible and derive something from it that is beneficial rather than destructive for humanity and the Jewish people in particular.

    For you:

    Romans 11:17
    1 John 3:15
    Matt 25:40

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    Luke90
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    the Jewish people in particular.
    Only the romans passage seems especially relevant to Jews.
    They are all fairly standard Christian teachings though. Especially 1 John 3.

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    Toga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gvil
    Including myself (I'm christian), except for my great love for Israel and Israelis. I just wanted to show that there are christians who care and love Israelis. It's in the Holy Bible and whoever doesen't see it is blind.
    You may feel differently but as the whole the Christian Europe is responsible for the slaughter of millions of Jews.

    So what if the Euros claim to be secular?

    The current European attitude toward Israel and the atrocious voting record against Israel at the UN, different international bodies is an extension of the natural European hatred of Jews. They have been afflicted with that disease for the last 2000 years. Even Prince Harry picked a Nazi uniform for the costume party. It is a natural.

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    minusthejihad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke90
    It's not really about Christian anti-semitism.
    It comes back to it in the conclusion but most of the examples are of an Islamic origin.

    His theory that westerners are anti-semitic because of jealousy that the Jews were chosen by G-d, is undermined by the fact that most westerners in an increasingly secular society probably don't even know or care that the Jews claim to be chosen by G-d.
    Um.. We don't claim that. Even your bible states that. I think there's plenty of jealousy, but not because we are "the chosen people", but for many other reasons. Sheesh, I get "all eyes on me" every single day. Damn proud Jews!! Can't they just fall back to everyone else's level? Nope.

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