Racism against Black Jews in Israel

[danholo]

Ha'aretz has made an interesting write up on how young Ethiopian Jews don't feel like they belong in Israeli society because "Israel is one of the most racist states in the world toward blacks".

This must be an exaggeration. I feel Finland to be very racist. It just doesn't show. Mainly because there are hardly any immigrants here. But I find it very troubling to hear that the same sort of racism and divededness that exists in America also exists in Israel. I find it disgusting that Ethiopians in Israel feel like they are treated like "Niggers" and indentify totally with American Black culture.

When will Israelis start living by Torah? This certainly isn't it.

I'd like Israelis here to shed some light on this subject with their own experiences.

[Toga]

Ha'aretz has made an interesting write up on how young Ethiopian Jews don't feel like they belong in Israeli society because "Israel is one of the most racist states in the world toward blacks".

This must be an exaggeration. I feel Finland to be very racist. It just doesn't show. Mainly because there are hardly any immigrants here. But I find it very troubling to hear that the same sort of racism and divededness that exists in America also exists in Israel. I find it disgusting that Ethiopians in Israel feel like they are treated like "Niggers" and indentify totally with American Black culture.

When will Israelis start living by Torah? This certainly isn't it.

I'd like Israelis here to shed some light on this subject with their own experiences.

1. It is nice to know that somebody from Finland is reading the extreme leftist publication from Israel
2. If you read the Haaretz you may even think that Israel is disintegrating
3. Speaking of racism, is there a single publication similar to the Israeli Haaretz in all 22 Arab states combined? Why not?
4. Any immigrant group in initial stages in most countries goes though the painful years of integration.

[danholo]

Hey man. I couldn't really give a damn about racism in the 22 Arab countries surrounding Israel. I'm not concerned about it cause I'm fully aware of the racist and especially anti-Semitic policies of these regimes.

But I'm more worried about my Jewish brethren and their behavior than our cousins. Why? Because this effects me more. Nothing hurts me more than infighting. Seeing that something as archaic as racism against blacks exists in Israel just makes me flip. I agree with your integration theory but hey, if we'd all act according to Torah, we wouldn't have problems like this. And it isn't like Falash Mura have been in Israel for just a short period.

[KettleWhistle]

It is a problem, but to state that Israel is the most racist state, or however they've put it is ludicrous. Legally, of course there isn't any discrimination. But some 10 years ago it was pretty much an unspoken rule that blacks don't don't sit near whites on the bus. There is discrimination in employment, and some discrimination elsewhere. At the same time, Ethiopians are very pro-Israel and they generally take great pride in serving in the IDF.

IMO the problem is two-fold. First, they look differently, and secondly their culture is different and many don't speak Hebrew that well. So these separate them from the mainstream.

However, there is progress, and it is just a matter of time for the integration to take place.

[Leon]

But some 10 years ago it was pretty much an unspoken rule that blacks don't don't sit near whites on the bus.

excuse me?

[Xela]

But some 10 years ago it was pretty much an unspoken rule that blacks don't don't sit near whites on the bus.

This is not true! I do not know why if the Ethiopians feel bad in Israel they still strive to bring here all their relatives. I do not think that the Ethiopians are treated worse in comparison whith the other immigrants. Some time ago I also was an immigrant.

[KettleWhistle]

This is not true! I do not know why if the Ethiopians feel bad in Israel they still strive to bring here all their relatives. I do not think that the Ethiopians are treated worse in comparison whith the other immigrants. Some time ago I also was an immigrant.

Those were just my experiences. The last time that I was in Israel, about two years ago, it was much more normal. As for the reason for immigration, let's not forget the financial reasons, since Israel is more developed than Ethiopia.

Either way, racism is shameful, and it is something that needs to be talked about. Pretending that it doesn't exist won't make it go away.

[Toga]

Hey man. I couldn't really give a damn about racism in the 22 Arab countries surrounding Israel. I'm not concerned about it cause I'm fully aware of the racist and especially anti-Semitic policies of these regimes.

But I'm more worried about my Jewish brethren and their behavior than our cousins. Why? Because this effects me more. Nothing hurts me more than infighting. Seeing that something as archaic as racism against blacks exists in Israel just makes me flip. I agree with your integration theory but hey, if we'd all act according to Torah, we wouldn't have problems like this. And it isn't like Falash Mura have been in Israel for just a short period.

We are not from Mars. We are from planet Earth. Our record is much cleaner than the record of most nations. The world labeled Zionism as racism. However, we brought the Jews from Africa in operation Solomon. Integration is a difficult process. The Russian Jews who moved to Israel complain about the same thing. As years go by they will integrate. You know as well as I do that most Jews are color blind as we come in all colors.

[danholo]

As years go by they will integrate.

This gas been the case.

You know as well as I do that most Jews are color blind as we come in all colors.

This is true. But this is not the case if Jews in non-Jewish countries integrate too much. I attended school in the Jewish school and a boy in my class picked on the Russian Jews especially. And some kids who had (an) Israeli parent(s) were picked on because of their darker skin color. Disgusting.

And people think where childhood trauma comes from! School certainly must be hell for some people.

[Mediocrates]

Every modern country has class and race frictions. Israel haters, typically from countries with massive problems of their own like to point out those in Israel.

I'm sure you could dig up Sephardis who feel oppressed and unhappy. David Shamsha the famous Syrian Jew and antizionist is one such.

But it's just stupid to think that Israel's problems are worse or even different than anyone else's.

Spain has its Moroccans
France has its Arabs
Germany has its Turks
Germany has its East Germans
Canada has its Chinese
Malaysia has its Malaysians
Iraq has its Sunnis
Saudi Arabia has its everyone else
Costa Rica has its Mestizo
Peru has its non Japanese
Japan has its everyone else
Ukraine has its non Ukranians
Russia has its Tartars
Rwanda had a bunch of people killing each other
Nigeria has its Ibo
Sudan hates black people
America has it's blacks and hispanics




See the problem is that only America and Israel are really immigrant nations and so have problems associated with trying to assimilate different people who actually want to live there. All those other countries just kill off, drive off or scare off whomever they don't like.

[KettleWhistle]

Russia has its Tartars

and about 130 other ethnicities besides the Tatars. Russians are only truly tolerant to other Slavs.

[golani]

Every modern country has class and race frictions. Israel haters, typically from countries with massive problems of their own like to point out those in Israel.

I'm sure you could dig up Sephardis who feel oppressed and unhappy. David Shamsha the famous Syrian Jew and antizionist is one such.

But it's just stupid to think that Israel's problems are worse or even different than anyone else's.

Spain has its Moroccans
France has its Arabs
Germany has its Turks
Germany has its East Germans
Canada has its Chinese
Malaysia has its Malaysians
Iraq has its Sunnis
Saudi Arabia has its everyone else
Costa Rica has its Mestizo
Peru has its non Japanese
Japan has its everyone else
Ukraine has its non Ukranians
Russia has its Tartars
Rwanda had a bunch of people killing each other
Nigeria has its Ibo
Sudan hates black people
America has it's blacks and hispanics




See the problem is that only America and Israel are really immigrant nations and so have problems associated with trying to assimilate different people who actually want to live there. All those other countries just kill off, drive off or scare off whomever they don't like.

French have their Belgians...

[Semsem]

<<about my Jewish brethren >>

Give me a break and stop lying about your Jewish BRETHREN. No Jew insults the USA who saved us from the Nazis the way you do.

[KSO]

<<about my Jewish brethren >>

Give me a break and stop lying about your Jewish BRETHREN. No Jew insults the USA who saved us from the Nazis the way you do.

Saved how? by sending the refugee shipps back to Germany or by refusing to bomb the death camps?

[Toga]

Saved how? by sending the refugee shipps back to Germany or by refusing to bomb the death camps?

This was a very dark moment in the US history but as a whole America has been very good to Jews.

What you are saying is true and underlines our commitment/responsibilty to protect our precious Jewish state.