"No one cared about the Holocaust" - Sharon

[I am David]

I have not heard this said to often, but it is absolutly true. The world as a whole didn't give a damn about the Holocaust, just like the world doesn't give a damn about the genocide in Darfur. You would think people would learn a lesson, but no, that's just too much to ask.

But here is Sharon's remarks. The lesson: Jews can only rely on themselves, somthing to take in mind for the current Intifada.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6870869/

From news article:

[JERUSALEM - In a speech marking the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Wednesday that the world “didn’t lift a finger” to stop the Holocaust.

Sharon said Jews learned a lesson from the genocide that they can only rely on themselves.

In unusually harsh remarks to parliament, Sharon noted that when the Nazis began deporting Jews from Hungary to Auschwitz in large numbers in 1944, Allied forces did not bomb the railroad tracks leading to the death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. Sharon said that over a period of several weeks, more than 600,000 Jews from Hungary were killed in Auschwitz.

“The sad and terrible conclusion is that no one cared that Jews were being killed,” Sharon said.

“At the time of the most terrible test, friends and benefactors didn’t lift a finger,” he said. “This is the Jewish lesson of the Holocaust.”

“The state of Israel has learned this lesson, and since its founding, it has defended itself and its residents, and provides safety to Jews everywhere. We know that we can only rely on ourselves,” he said.

For this reason, Israel as the Jewish state must always remain strong, Sharon said.

“We must always remember that this is the only place in the world in which we, the Jews, have the right and the power to defend ourselves with our own strength,” Sharon said. “This we will never surrender.”

Even 60 years after Auschwitz was liberated, anti-Semitism still exists throughout the world, Sharon said.

[sharonbn]

I have not heard this said to often, but it is absolutly true. The world as a whole didn't give a damn about the Holocaust, just like the world doesn't give a damn about the genocide in Darfur. You would think people would learn a lesson, but no, that's just too much to ask.

But here is Sharon's remarks. The lesson: Jews can only rely on themselves, somthing to take in mind for the current Intifada.

Sad but true. The Jewish people have absolutely no one to rely upon except themselves.

Regarding the remark about the Intifada. I don't think Israel ever relied on a solution coming from external resources. Relying upon oneself does not imply that Israel should ignore external pressure and just do as it pleases with fighting terrorism. When we're the size of the US, we can act as they do.

The best way to fight terrorism is make it beneficial for the PA to fight the terror groups. You know - the carrot and stick method...

[minusthejihad]

Sad but true. The Jewish people have absolutely no one to rely upon except themselves.

Regarding the remark about the Intifada. I don't think Israel ever relied on a solution coming from external resources. Relying upon oneself does not imply that Israel should ignore external pressure and just do as it pleases with fighting terrorism. When we're the size of the US, we can act as they do.

The best way to fight terrorism is make it beneficial for the PA to fight the terror groups. You know - the carrot and stick method...

Yeah! You know, the one that has worked so darned well. Let's keep doing it! Oh yeah, isn't that called insanity?

[RichardP]

Times haven't changed: the world didn't care 60 years-65 ago; nor do they today. Sharon's words ring true; loud and clear!

[defari]

I feel ashamed for being European. Europe knew what was going on, Sharon is right. Why didn't the world do anything? Anyways, I feel sorry for all the victims of Holocaust, may all the Nazis burn in hell in eternal fire. It's been 60 years since then, but to me that's not a lot, so I'm still scared for the future of humanity.
I still can't believe that it actually took place. Stupid world.

[goliath]

What Pm Sharon said it's perfectly exact , and in reality the politic details concerning 1944 and before 1942 and 1943 ,are really uncomprehensible for your generation ,personally ,I think even Israeli don't care much about the Genocide,people wants to live , it doesn't wants to remember horrible things.
In that period Ben Gourion and his friends ,was fighting with British troops ,and willing to obtain the right to "have a land" : and he completely disinterested himself about the destiny of the Jews in Europe, his peers today are saying : that was a "strong politic decision" .
I had the confirmation of that point of vue , the ex Israeli ambassador in Paris ,was saying and upholding this analyse during an interwiev we had two months ago : "That was a great strong politic choice"
To save about 1.000.000 of jews ,it was only necessary to bomb ,not all the railway tracks , only the Auschwitz railway station.
No one did it .

[Luke90]

You can argue that the allies should have bombed Auschwitz or it's approaches but there were valid reasons why they didn't.
Short-term you could have slowed down the killing but ultimately the only way to stop it was to win the war and liberate the camps, which they did.

To argue that more could have been done is reasonable to say that nothing was done is unfair.

[Luke90]

To save about 1.000.000 of jews ,it was only necessary to bomb ,not all the railway tracks , only the Auschwitz railway station.

So they couldn't have rebuilt?
So they couldn't have chucked them off the train a mile down the track and made them walk?
And who's providing this long-range precision bombing capability?

[Mediocrates]

No that's wrong. Certainly bombing Hamburg or Cologne was intended to be a psychological blow with little direct effect to the war industries. In fact even in Dresden which ostensibly was a rail hub, the industries there were largely back up to pre-bombing speed and efficiency in a few months. So on the one hand it might have not had much practical effect to destroy the Birkenau railyards but on the other hand if they were bombing soft targets for psychological effect anyway they should have included the camps if only to put the Nazis on notice that the world knew and acknowedged what they were doing. Additionally any war analyst would have known that bombing any camp facility would have immediately diverted war materiel to repair it so the intended effect of reducing Germany's warfighting effort would have been the same.

It is barbaric to hold out no hope to people who are being processed for death. WW2 was the war to destroy the Jews.

[Luke90]

I can't see that bombing Auschwitz would have had much effect on the war effort. The psychological effect would have been minimal because it wasn't near any large civilian population and they wouldn't exactly have shouted about it. The practical effect would also have been limited because they'd just have used the prisoners for the rebuilding. On the other hand a risky long-range bombing mission could have damaged our war effort.

It is barbaric to hold out no hope to people who are being processed for death.

The hope was to win the war as quickly as possible and liberate the camps. I simply don't think any other action would have been effective.

[goliath]

So they couldn't have rebuilt?
So they couldn't have chucked them off the train a mile down the track and made them walk?
And who's providing this long-range precision bombing capability?

Please ,they have that long range capability ,and the camps were not defended , no one piece of artillery were present , only a bit over the synthetic gas production factory.
Churchill ,refused that intervention , clearly.we have the archives.
Eiseinhower,refused also strongly that intervention ,we have the archives.
In that period ,German were sending ,12.000 Jews per day, by train from Hungary,Greece,Corfu,Salonika and they even killed the gypsies who remainded (25.000) to have room in the barracks to kill the Jews,arriving ,because they can't follow the rythm of 12.000 per day , a gas chamber in Birkenau was out of order for one month ,German even don't reach to eliminate the corpses, it was the phase who needed 4 hours for 1800 Jews,so they digged several enormous pits ,and they burned the corpses in these "new " means burning the children by throwing them alives , it was the number one ,emergency : to kill and destroy Jews as much and as quick as they could, last order comming from Eichmann.
German were in a hurry ,under the presure of Heichmann ,who was in charge with the all organisation ,and they new perfectely ,the war was lost for them ,but they wanted to kill the Jews ,till the day the Soviet troops were at 30 kms from Auschwitz , and they made exploded the 4 crematoriums and took all the deported on the road , people were dying walking ,one by one ,so with that method ,nobody could imagine the quantity of dead peoples,in order to let absolutely no proof,that was also part of their main priority preocupation.
They let only the sicks persons and the people who can't walk ,but they were only a few ,so that was good for the German ,hide the reality in first place,
Stalin was aware for a long time about the Jewish Genocide ,but he din't comunicate those facts to his subordinate, and the soviets troops were really surprised in finding all the complex organisation of Auschwitz/Birkenau, the factories ,and mountain of corpses, German didn't have time to burn them ,and that was an horrible sight.

[Luke90]

the camps were not defended , no one piece of artillery were present

The hostile territory on the way was though.

Churchill ,refused that intervention , clearly.we have the archives.
Einseinower,refused also strongly refused that intervention ,we have the archives.

But there were good reasons why they rejected it.

[goliath]

[QUOTE]

The hostile territory on the way was though.

Auschwitz /Birkenau , the Soviet army was passing by on the 23rd March 1945 and they even no noticed what that was about , just because nobody was shooting from this place and they get back only on the 27 March, in that period the Frenchs were dancing everywhere for liberation festivities, they were free from 8 or 9 months or more.
And the Soviet army get back two months later ,Stalin gave the order to shoot a movie (with actors ,deported Jews, and scenario ) on the Auschwitz liberation,for it's propaganda.
The Soviet army was so fast ,and also the US ,all wanted to be the first and occupying the more land they could ,Soviet didn't trusted the US.
US didn't trusted the Soviet.
Both wanted the scientists , Von Braun and others ,and they get them ,and they shared them ,you never heard about that?
And they share a lot of Nazis and the files concerning the German secrets services ,all they new about each other ,in order to be in the best position possible to now a maximum about each other ,and the cold war began.

But there were good reasons why they rejected it.

Churchill declared : I quote , :
I don't want that people can say ,I was doing a war for the Jews.

Roosevelt and Einsenhower ,had the same desease ,
Don't think the American people were so philosemite ,they are like the British , mostly anti-Semites ,and the problem of Roosevelt was the reconstruction of Germany ,and a lot of American has German origin ,more than you think,and the Jews faith was only a detail ,this is reality.
When the reports concerning the camps came in USA, they ordered the silence on that , and the press ,and the movies makers ,were kindly requested ,to not give informations on that subject.
Only Charles Chaplin has the bravery in 1941 ,to make a movie about the Nazis ,but probably you still not aware about that too.
And let me tell a thing to you ,before you were suggesting ,that the Germans could make walk the deportees ,until Auschwitz and Birkenau ,peoples poor Jews who spent 12 days in a transportation train ,without eating ,without drinking , a third part of them were corpses ,and the others were alike dead-alives peoples ,they were bathing in their excrements and almost dead.
No one desires to now about that ,but it's the sad reality,and I now what I'm talking about,I can't give you an official link,but I 'm still alive.

[MGB8]

Hmmm....justifications for the decision not to stop or slow down the industrialized mass murder of millions, at little cost.... hmmmm....

[Mediocrates]

And then when the war was over and the camps were liberated, often as not either the armies left the survivors to be savaged by German and Polish civilians, left them to fester and die in D.P. camps or brutalized them themselves. You think the story of the Allied victory 45-47 is pretty story? It wasn't. Only years later did we rewrite it with our own heroism and pathos penciled in. We always erect monuments for people we can't look in the eye.


I spit on the UN's commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz. I wouldn't stand up clap for Eichmann's pity and I won't clap for theirs. May all those nazi bastards be erased from human memory.