I really don't want to make an issue of it,Jews hated why?

[goliath]

I can't write to you about a new issue about my Jewish community ,only about an ancient one :
Jews hated why???

This question it arose very often , and naturally we try to answer it in severals ways , including by unwiding the kaleidoscope of the ancient and long history of Judaism.
The most synthetic answer as for me is the following one :
The various Diasporae ,which where welcomed and often wished in various country of Europe ,sometimes existed during several centuries in some of these countries.
When the Jews were the object of pogroms ,pursuits ,legal or illegal discriminations ,they could not refer to some authority there ,and their only supports , what was finally for what people blamed them:
The allegiance in Judaism and their traditions, what differenciated them and served as excuse to persecute the communities in a repetitive way.
The Extermination by Nazis ,in summer the paroxystic event of all these pursuits , he had to be the last one , because his inventors wished profundly the total disappearance of our ethnic group , religious and laic.
This Extermination ,in partially failed.
This event not in step explained ,and passed on ,during more than fifty years,so much that some intellectuals specialized and awarded a diploma in Nazism and anti-Semitism ,allow to dispute it in their papers.
I remain persuaded that all the Jewish communities still existing on this planet ,including the Jewish Israelis ,are conciously or unconciously ,considered as annoying witnesses ,what activate permanently according to the events of the History ,this endemic anti-Semitism ,which is still alive and in very good shape.

[KettleWhistle]

Why are we hated? Well, I'd think that would depend. I know that I was born a Jew. There is nothing I can do about being a Jew, as there is no technology to change the sequence of my DNA or to replace my genes to turn me into a person of another ethnicity. I had about as much choice in belonging to Jewish people as I did about my hair and eye color. Of course, I could pretend that I'm something else, but I am not a self-hater. I'm perfectly content with being who and what I am.

And I have experienced hatred and persecution. When growing up in FSU, many hated me for being of different ethnicity, for having a father who's not an alcoholic, for willing to work to improve myself instead of working to mess-up people who are doing better than me, for not desiring to grow up and be a dirty blue-collar drunk.

But at the end of the day, what does any of this matter? Does it really matter why we are hated? I think not. What's important is for us to know who we are, to be true to our people, and to be strong, so that the haters won't be able to hurt us.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle

Why are we hated? Well, I'd think that would depend. I know that I was born a Jew. There is nothing I can do about being a Jew, as there is no technology to change the sequence of my DNA or to replace my genes to turn me into a person of another ethnicity. I had about as much choice in belonging to Jewish people as I did about my hair and eye color. Of course, I could pretend that I'm something else, but I am not a self-hater. I'm perfectly content with being who and what I am.

You now in europe we were quasi underground ,especially in France ,just because that country was not feeling easy ,about the past,and even now they are not , so the general problem was put into a closet for decades ,and a large part of our people is not very interested in our community, and they will fade and disappear in one decade or two.
I'm also content of what I am ,and do not have to autoanalyse myself ,but it was not easy when you are 5 y.and people said :you have no right to exist and no right to live.

And I have experience hatred and persecution. When growing up in FSU, many hated me for being of different ethnicity, for having a father who's not an alcoholic, for willing to work to improve myself instead of working to mess-up people who are doing better than me, for not desiring to grow up and be a dirty blue-collar drunk

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So ,you did well, as you said ,the important point is : to now who you are .

But at the end of the day, what does any of this matter? Does it really matter why we are hated? I think not. What's important is for us to know who we are, to be true our people, and to be strong, so that the haters won't be able to hurt us.

You now ,I was thinking in the US ,maybe you have not that kind of anti-Semitism who is raising a bit more every day,really , but when I've read that post about Leonardo di Caprio and other actors who think they have to mark their position on that matter ,I do think even in the US something is araising about anti-Semitism, but i'm really smiling writing those words because I really feel strong and I will be for a while ,and when I read about internal policy in Israel ,I think they are missing or forgeting what the real target is ; vulnerant omnes ultima necat.

[Semsem]

Look at all the French Jews who converted. And so many hide their Jewishness. Recently 2 French celebrities came out of the closet about their Jewishness.

What about De Caprio???? Can you explain.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=Semsem

Look at all the French Jews who converted. And so many hide their Jewishness. Recently 2 French celebrities came out of the closet about their Jewishness.

It's that a French speciality especially about celebrities ?
Semsem ,you can't imagine how many celebrities in US ,now and in the past were and are hiding their Jewishness,I can give you a list , a very long one ,but I do think it's useless , If you were in Germany on 1933 , did you run by a Nazi telling him : look look ! I'm a Jew ?
You surely now Kirk Douglas right ? he his very old and still alive , he his a Jew and was born in Poland , he never said a word about that during almost fifteen years , and when he get 75 y.old he began to talk more or less about that ,but the important point is not to tell to the other that or this ,is what you thinkand feel deeply in your insight .
In Hollywood only the producers were officially Jewish , and I think concerning the actors ,it's the producers who concealed to not reveal their origins,that was not politically correct ,and maybe they fear about the success of their movies ,if the actor was displaying a Jewish name.

What about De Caprio???? Can you explain.

Do you mean Leonardo could have SOME Jewish origin ?
So , what about that ? it's bothering you if he didn't said so ? do you now if he feel Jewish ? If he don't no matter about that , if he really feel Jewish , maybe he prefer to have a larger audience or something , it's not a serious problem, don't you think so ?

[Illuminatus]

quote:
[..Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. …

If the Jews are rich [these fanatics] are victims of theft.

If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule.

If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood.

If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared by their natures or traitors.

If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled.

If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. ..]

Lloyd George quoted in 1923
Prime Minister, assisted with the authorship of the Balfour Declaration 1917

[KettleWhistle]

Yep, often that's the hand we are dealt. When I was about 10 years old, some kids I used to play with told me that apparently I was into drinking human blood. And they didn't make that up--their teacher told them so, and their parents confirmed that it was true. Makes me really appreciate the tolerance, and general common sense, in the U.S., and not having to deal with this kinds of prejudice is one of the reasons I love this country.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle]

Yep, often that's the hand we are dealt. When I was about 10 years old, some kids I used to play with told me that apparently I was into drinking human blood. And they didn't make that up--their teacher told them so, and their parents confirmed that it was true. Makes me really appreciate the tolerance, and general common sense, in the U.S., and not having to deal with this kinds of prejudice is one of the reasons I love this country.[/QUOTE

That story of drinking blood ,comes from ancient times in Europe , I have seen a large painting in a church near Lodtz in Poland , that was three years ago ,the size of that painting is about Feet 3 X 4
It was showing a rabbe over a little babyboy on a red velvet cushion ,and the rabbe hold a large nife in his hand over the babbyboy . see the picture?
We wait for the priest and we asked him ,how he dared to expose that painting ,and for what reason he don't remove it.
Answer : It's a very old painting , people have made an habit of it ,that's all ,nothing doing.

[minusthejihad]

This is why I will send my kid to nursery school with some fake horns and tomato juice. They'll never mess with my kid again!

[Mediocrates]

My son told me he'll dress his kids in superhero halloween costumes all year long.

[goliath]

[QUOTE]

This is why I will send my kid to nursery school with some fake horns and tomato juice. They'll never mess with my kid again![/QUOTE

Your kid doesn't risk anything ,if you're not married with a Jewish woman , he is not a Jew anymore, or you can change our family name , or migrate to Mexico , avoid Seattle and around it's an awfull area.

[MGB8]

Um... ever heard of the Inquisition, the pogroms, the Holocaust or Stalin's mass murder of Jews?

Probably haven't ever heard of dhimmitude, either, eh?

Oh, by the way, I expect you to move out of Australia right now and return to England, but since England was probably invaded and conquered by your ancestors, too, I expect you to return to mainland Europe.

[golani]

Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day . And dont blame Christianity afterall Christianity was invented by Jews in the first place and brought by Jews to Europe . The fact was that Jews , in Europe , were ,alongside Gypsies a visible minority that stood out Jews for their religion and Gypsies for their skin tone .


Today its blacks and Asians being the most visible groups which are the source of hate in Europe .

I live in europe, blacks and asians are never harassed nor hated

Why must our synagogues ,schools and people be protected???

Get out out of your neo marxist rhetoric ...

With the gypsie to a lesser extent,we are the only people who underwent
"industrial" slaughter:IT IS NOT A PRIVILEGE

And by the way,german jews did not stand out bfor their religion,most were being assimilated into the mainstream society
They were not dressed as "typical" easten jews,spoke german,many had fought for german in ww1 and many had nothing to do with judaism but their names...
Your ignorance is abysmal,stop polluting this forum and go and read some books (not the small red one...)

[KettleWhistle]

Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day . And dont blame Christianity afterall Christianity was invented by Jews in the first place and brought by Jews to Europe . The fact was that Jews , in Europe , were ,alongside Gypsies a visible minority that stood out Jews for their religion and Gypsies for their skin tone . Today its blacks and Asians being the most visible groups which are the source of hate in Europe .

It never amazes me how ignorant some people can be.

No more hated? Really? How about the Catholic doctrines that blamed Jews for the murder of Jesus, and officially declared them to be second-class citizens? Ever heard of prohibition of land ownership, which put them below the peasant class in the Medieval social order? Ever heard of laws restricting Jewish activities to banking--a profession that was considered immoral and was looked down upon by others until the modernization of 18th century? Or the Jewish ghettoes that were initially established in Italy by the Popes?

And that's aside from the government-incouraged anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe, and constant massacres of Jews there.

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[goliath]

[QUOTE=Brian Foley]Jews have been no more hated than any other group in history Jewish suffering pales in comparison to that of the Aborigines of Australia the Natives of America and those of Africa their suffering continues to this very day . And dont blame Christianity afterall Christianity was invented by Jews in the first place and brought by Jews to Europe . The fact was that Jews , in Europe , were ,alongside Gypsies a visible minority that stood out Jews for their religion and Gypsies for their skin tone . Today its blacks and Asians being the most visible groups which are the source of hate in Europe .

We were the object of constant discrimination and persecution ,and the last one ,was organized to make desappear our people .
Other people were persecuted in the mean time , the Hitler object was the Jews ,and he commit suicide before giving to us the reason why he was so decided to eliminate us ,the last word from Adolph : continue to kill the Jews.!!!
Brian ,I wouls like to suggest a test for you , is not an emergency ,but do it please without fail and give us the result ;
You chose for instance the Walkirie of Wagner ,if you can ear that music more than 5 minute ,and stay in you armchair without be invaded by a irrepressible willing to invade Poland , you're lost for our cause.!!