I really don't want to make an issue of it,Jews hated why?

[goliath]

I can't write to you about a new issue about my Jewish community ,only about an ancient one :
Jews hated why???

This question it arose very often , and naturally we try to answer it in severals ways , including by unwiding the kaleidoscope of the ancient and long history of Judaism.
The most synthetic answer as for me is the following one :
The various Diasporae ,which where welcomed and often wished in various country of Europe ,sometimes existed during several centuries in some of these countries.
When the Jews were the object of pogroms ,pursuits ,legal or illegal discriminations ,they could not refer to some authority there ,and their only supports , what was finally for what people blamed them:
The allegiance in Judaism and their traditions, what differenciated them and served as excuse to persecute the communities in a repetitive way.
The Extermination by Nazis ,in summer the paroxystic event of all these pursuits , he had to be the last one , because his inventors wished profundly the total disappearance of our ethnic group , religious and laic.
This Extermination ,in partially failed.
This event not in step explained ,and passed on ,during more than fifty years,so much that some intellectuals specialized and awarded a diploma in Nazism and anti-Semitism ,allow to dispute it in their papers.
I remain persuaded that all the Jewish communities still existing on this planet ,including the Jewish Israelis ,are conciously or unconciously ,considered as annoying witnesses ,what activate permanently according to the events of the History ,this endemic anti-Semitism ,which is still alive and in very good shape.

[KettleWhistle]

Why are we hated? Well, I'd think that would depend. I know that I was born a Jew. There is nothing I can do about being a Jew, as there is no technology to change the sequence of my DNA or to replace my genes to turn me into a person of another ethnicity. I had about as much choice in belonging to Jewish people as I did about my hair and eye color. Of course, I could pretend that I'm something else, but I am not a self-hater. I'm perfectly content with being who and what I am.

And I have experienced hatred and persecution. When growing up in FSU, many hated me for being of different ethnicity, for having a father who's not an alcoholic, for willing to work to improve myself instead of working to mess-up people who are doing better than me, for not desiring to grow up and be a dirty blue-collar drunk.

But at the end of the day, what does any of this matter? Does it really matter why we are hated? I think not. What's important is for us to know who we are, to be true to our people, and to be strong, so that the haters won't be able to hurt us.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle

Why are we hated? Well, I'd think that would depend. I know that I was born a Jew. There is nothing I can do about being a Jew, as there is no technology to change the sequence of my DNA or to replace my genes to turn me into a person of another ethnicity. I had about as much choice in belonging to Jewish people as I did about my hair and eye color. Of course, I could pretend that I'm something else, but I am not a self-hater. I'm perfectly content with being who and what I am.

You now in europe we were quasi underground ,especially in France ,just because that country was not feeling easy ,about the past,and even now they are not , so the general problem was put into a closet for decades ,and a large part of our people is not very interested in our community, and they will fade and disappear in one decade or two.
I'm also content of what I am ,and do not have to autoanalyse myself ,but it was not easy when you are 5 y.and people said :you have no right to exist and no right to live.

And I have experience hatred and persecution. When growing up in FSU, many hated me for being of different ethnicity, for having a father who's not an alcoholic, for willing to work to improve myself instead of working to mess-up people who are doing better than me, for not desiring to grow up and be a dirty blue-collar drunk

.
So ,you did well, as you said ,the important point is : to now who you are .

But at the end of the day, what does any of this matter? Does it really matter why we are hated? I think not. What's important is for us to know who we are, to be true our people, and to be strong, so that the haters won't be able to hurt us.

You now ,I was thinking in the US ,maybe you have not that kind of anti-Semitism who is raising a bit more every day,really , but when I've read that post about Leonardo di Caprio and other actors who think they have to mark their position on that matter ,I do think even in the US something is araising about anti-Semitism, but i'm really smiling writing those words because I really feel strong and I will be for a while ,and when I read about internal policy in Israel ,I think they are missing or forgeting what the real target is ; vulnerant omnes ultima necat.

[Illuminatus]

quote:
[..Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. …

If the Jews are rich [these fanatics] are victims of theft.

If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule.

If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood.

If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared by their natures or traitors.

If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled.

If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. ..]

Lloyd George quoted in 1923
Prime Minister, assisted with the authorship of the Balfour Declaration 1917

[KettleWhistle]

Yep, often that's the hand we are dealt. When I was about 10 years old, some kids I used to play with told me that apparently I was into drinking human blood. And they didn't make that up--their teacher told them so, and their parents confirmed that it was true. Makes me really appreciate the tolerance, and general common sense, in the U.S., and not having to deal with this kinds of prejudice is one of the reasons I love this country.

[goliath]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle]

Yep, often that's the hand we are dealt. When I was about 10 years old, some kids I used to play with told me that apparently I was into drinking human blood. And they didn't make that up--their teacher told them so, and their parents confirmed that it was true. Makes me really appreciate the tolerance, and general common sense, in the U.S., and not having to deal with this kinds of prejudice is one of the reasons I love this country.[/QUOTE

That story of drinking blood ,comes from ancient times in Europe , I have seen a large painting in a church near Lodtz in Poland , that was three years ago ,the size of that painting is about Feet 3 X 4
It was showing a rabbe over a little babyboy on a red velvet cushion ,and the rabbe hold a large nife in his hand over the babbyboy . see the picture?
We wait for the priest and we asked him ,how he dared to expose that painting ,and for what reason he don't remove it.
Answer : It's a very old painting , people have made an habit of it ,that's all ,nothing doing.

[minusthejihad]

This is why I will send my kid to nursery school with some fake horns and tomato juice. They'll never mess with my kid again!

[Mediocrates]

My son told me he'll dress his kids in superhero halloween costumes all year long.

[Mil]

Old Soviet Joke:

Kids in school were asked to come dressed in their ethnic costumes. The Rabinovich family was preparing their child Zema (Zalmand) for the mascarade:

- A mink hat we can get from uncle Chaim
- A lynx coat we can get from aunt Sarah
- Gucci shoes we can get from uncle Moshe
- But where can we get a gold tooth?


I think the Jews have made an image for themselves

Another old Joke:


French:

1. One Frenchman - a lover
2. Two Frenchman - a duel
3. Three Frenchman - a Revolution

Germans:

1. One German - one soldier
2. Two Germans - two soldiers
3. Three Germans - three soldiers

Russians:

1. One Russian - Doesn't Happen!!!
2. Two Russians - A drink Fest
3. Three Russians - A drunk fight

Ukranians:

1. One Ukranian - a land owner
2. Two Ukranians - a partisan group
3. Three Ukranians - a partisan group with a traitor


Jews:

1. One Jew - A Trading post
2. Two Jews - An International Chess Competition
3. Three Jews - Symphonic Orchestra

[Mil]

Why do they hate us? We stick our nose EVERY-FREAKING-WHERE!!!!!

[minusthejihad]

Why do they hate us? We stick our nose EVERY-FREAKING-WHERE!!!!!

And they're jealous, but hey, I would be too. I'm one damned good looking Jew.

[goliath]

QUOTE=Mediocrates]
My son told me he'll dress his kids in superhero halloween costumes all year long.

The best material recommended should be KEVLAR , if you conceals your son to send his children to Poland and visit that church, in US you're safe for a while ..I do hope that ,black humour is not my favourite ,can we say black or dark humor?
And remember ,one of your superhero was tetraplegic and died six month ago.

[goliath]

[QUOTE]

This is why I will send my kid to nursery school with some fake horns and tomato juice. They'll never mess with my kid again![/QUOTE

Your kid doesn't risk anything ,if you're not married with a Jewish woman , he is not a Jew anymore, or you can change our family name , or migrate to Mexico , avoid Seattle and around it's an awfull area.

[goliath]

[QUOTE]

And they're jealous, but hey, I would be too. I'm one damned good looking Jew.[/QUOTE

You're maybe only two people who share that opinion :
Yourself and your mother , !

[goliath]

[QUOTE]

Why do they hate us? We stick our nose EVERY-FREAKING-WHERE!!!!!

It's maybe the reason why they sketch us always with large noses..
I think is not always the truth , sometimes yes , let say most of the times yes.