Intifada III

[Mediocrates]

I wouldn't include Michael Palumbo and I'd be very suspicous of people who do. He is a self professed 'scholar' who is 'poring over long classified documents dealing with the immediate post-World War II period. Many of these documents from American, British and United Nations archives deal with the Israeli/Palestinian war of 1948.' unquote

Why not include crazies like Robin Miller too?

I guess I was wrong, I guess you Ophra are one of those Canaanites after all. Funny I didn't think of you as one of those far right wing antisemitic antizionist vaguely Lyndon Larouche nutcases who thinks the root of all evil is Jews, Americans, American Jews and oh yeah Jews.

[Mira]

So Interloper > Mira > Vic? If so, Hey!! How are ya!

Not Vic...Communication. I'm doing well, minus. I'm attending Tel Aviv University now. BTW, your shiksa wife would be welcomed in my home any day....as long as I'm cuter and younger than her, that's all that really matters.

[Mira]

Showing your true colors Mira.... I wondered how long it would take .

keep laughing, Ophra. I like it when you laugh. I just wouldn't want to be around when the laughter stops.

[minusthejihad]

Not Vic...Communication. I'm doing well, minus. I'm attending Tel Aviv University now. BTW, your shiksa wife would be welcomed in my home any day....as long as I'm cuter and younger than her, that's all that really matters.

Hey thanks. Communication, I was wondering where you went, and I certainly don't remember you to be a "right-winger", if anything, you always kept a pretty even keel. I'm surprised to see anyone so upset at you.

As far as my Shikza, she understands how important Judaism is to me and understands how important it is for our future children to have a Jewish upbringing and a connection to Israel. She is excited to visit as well and we definately will within a year I'm figuring. But she is who she is, and if people have a problem with that, it's their problem not ours.

Anyway, nice to be re-acquainted!

[KettleWhistle]

Why not include crazies like Robin Miller too?

Or Arthur Koestler. According to him ALL of the European Jews are descendants of the Khazars and have no relation whatsoever to ancient Israelites. I guess that would make Yiddish a Khazarian language of the old, that found its way into medieval Germany.

[KettleWhistle]

I do have to add this one to the list of resources: http://www.exile.ru/2002-April-05/do..._passower.html

[Mediocrates]

I guess I was wrong, I guess you Ophra are one of those Canaanites after all. Funny I didn't think of you as one of those far right wing antisemitic antizionist vaguely Lyndon Larouche nutcases who thinks the root of all evil is Jews, Americans, American Jews and oh yeah Jews.

ya know I'm just kidding, right? Chill.

[Ophra]

I guess I was wrong, I guess you Ophra are one of those Canaanites after all. Funny I didn't think of you as one of those far right wing antisemitic antizionist vaguely Lyndon Larouche nutcases who thinks the root of all evil is Jews, Americans, American Jews and oh yeah Jews

I don't know what a Canaanites is.
I am most definitely not a " far right wing antisemitic antizionist ".
I don't know who Lyndon Larouche is.
I'm not very fond of American extremist right-wing religious Jews.

Hope that helps .

[Ophra]

Well, here are a few more:

Luther, Martin, The Jews and Their Lies

Morris, Benny, Jews Who Like Arab Booty, foreword and introduction by Adam Shapiro.

Al-Ahram Publications, Horseman Without a Horse, TV series transcript.

Father Alexii II, Jewish Child Sacrifices to Baal. c. 1743

Russian Imperial Secret Police, Protocols of the Elders of Zion. c. 1903

Ali Baam Nooru, The Anatomy of the Zionist Enemy. Arabya Publishing House, UAE, 1987.



Oh, I see. I guess it's not democratic for people to have their own viewpoints, and every dissenting thought MUST be censored.

As usual I don't understand you KW

" Oh, I see. I guess it's not democratic for people to have their own viewpoints, and every dissenting thought MUST be censored ".....
you were the one that threatened to delete my posts for posting " propaganda " .... I just don't get it ... ???

[Ophra]

keep laughing, Ophra. I like it when you laugh. I just wouldn't want to be around when the laughter stops.

Why should the laughter stop Mira? ....after all .. everything is going our way

[Ophra]

Thanks for that post. For people like me who have never been to Israel and who don't have a fortified opinion about the Gaza issue, this is a lot of info to process.

I just hope they demolish everything after the move. It would be disgusting to see people's nice homes be filled with Welfare recipients. Scorch and Burn. Would you be against that Ophra?

It's why it should be open for debate ... there is so much nonsense flying about over all of this.
Medio has a point but there is a larger issue .

" Scorch and Burn " .... it's being debated right now ... Sharon is for keeping most structures intact ... I would go for the decision the Army takes .

[KettleWhistle]

As usual I don't understand you KW

The refferences you listed are either from discredited revisionist authors, or taken out of context. I read several of the books from that list, those about Ben-Gurion, and whatever was taken from them gives only minor, and mostly irrelevant part of the story. And these should be pretty self-explanatory:

*Brenner, Lenni, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, Westport, CT: Lawrence Hill, 1983.

*â€â€�â€â€�â€â€�â€â€�â€â€�â€â€�à ¢â‚¬â€�, The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir, London, Zed Books Led., 1984.

Halsell, Grace, Prophesy and Politics: Militant Evangelists on the Road to Nuclear War, Westport, CT, Lawrence Hill & Company, 1986.
[This one sounds like such a well-constructed academic publication, I just couldn't pass on emphasizing it]

Khalidi, Walid (ed.), Before Their Diaspora: A Photographic History of the Palestinians 1986-1948, Washington, DC, Institute for Palestine Studies, 1984.

������-, From Haven to Conquest: Readings in Zionism and the Palestine Problem until 1948, Washington, DC, Institute for Palestine Studies, second printing, 1987.

Marton, Kati, A Death in Jerusalem, New York, Pantheon Books, 1994.

Nakhleh, Issa, Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem (2 vols), New York, Intercontinental Books, 1991.

Palumbo, Michael, The Palestinian Catastrophe: The 1948 Expulsion of a People from their Homeland, Boston, Faber and Faber, 1987.

Rubinstein, Ammon, The Zionist Dream Revisited, New York, Schocken Books, 1984.

" Oh, I see. I guess it's not democratic for people to have their own viewpoints, and every dissenting thought MUST be censored ".....
you were the one that threatened to delete my posts for posting " propaganda " .... I just don't get it ... ???

I wasn't threatening you. I warned you, and it had nothing to do with your point of view. If you scroll to the top of the page, there is a graphic that says "Israelforum.com, 24-hour News, Discussion & Debate." And that's what the forum is for. It isn't to constantly post some copy-and-paste from other sites and every single op-ed from Haaretz and people who demonize the settlers. So if you got an argument, let's hear it. But if I wanted to see what some Haaretz writers or Juan Cole think on the subject, I'd go to their web sites.

[minusthejihad]

It's why it should be open for debate ... there is so much nonsense flying about over all of this.
Medio has a point but there is a larger issue .

" Scorch and Burn " .... it's being debated right now ... Sharon is for keeping most structures intact ... I would go for the decision the Army takes .

I don't think the Pals should be given more gifts and free-rides. If it was me, and I knew some fools took over my house I was evicted from by my own government, I'd probably come back and burn it down myself.

[Mediocrates]

I don't know what a Canaanites is.
I am most definitely not a " far right wing antisemitic antizionist ".
I don't know who Lyndon Larouche is.
I'm not very fond of American extremist right-wing religious Jews.

Hope that helps .

sort of not really - some of the sources you quote are pretty far from mainstream very very right wing or conspiracy theorist or "jews secretly run the world" kind of stuff. The 'canaanites' are this group, Mumar Khaddafy is one, who propose one state for all called Canaan where whatever is the majority - that's it. Strange bedfellows, no?

[Mediocrates]

" Scorch and Burn " .... it's being debated right now ... Sharon is for keeping most structures intact ... I would go for the decision the Army takes .

I would leave everything intact, come back, invest in them and acquire management contracts. Assuming that the PLO has any notion of instituting a court system that respects rule of law, particularly contract and property rights, which is debateable. I'm pretty sure that destroying a farm or an orchard is a shanda even for secular Jews such as yourself.

Look; in a plague, make coffins, in a flood, sell boats.