What kind of a country is this

[Leon]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1111461688319

Mazuz ordered State Attorney lawyers to meet with police and ready themselves with a spectrum of charges to cover the different types of measures that protesters might take to disrupt traffic.

According to the sources, the most serious charge that Mazuz will file, in applicable circumstances, will be that of endangering life on a thoroughfare, a charge which calls for a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison

20 years for protesting and disrupting traffic. How many years do those who engaging in the murder or attempted murder of Israelis get? Well, if they are lucky they can be out in around 6monts to two years - if the Israeli govt is feeling charitable and decideds to release them in the name of "peace."

Settler leaders like Noam Federman and Baruch Marzel have spent indefinate amounts of times in Israeli prisons without trial. When I was in Israel last March - August, Federman was already in prison for nine months without any charges or trial...last time I checked he is still in Prison. Marzel was recently released after spending months in prison and towards the end of his imprisoment they finally decided to lay charges. Crime? Allegdlly punching a police officer.

And the issue of "settler incitment" - i.e protesting against disengagement. That too carries hefty prison terms.

So far those who incite murder against innocent Jews are permitted to freely carry on with their work on Television, radio, mosques and schools. Terrorists who murdered, engaged in murder and are even known to currently plan further atrocities are permitted to walk around freely.

What kind of a country is Israel?

[Ophra]

It's a great country ..... thanks for asking.

Howz Australia ?????

[Leon]

Baruch Hashem

[Ophra]

Settler leaders like Noam Federman and Baruch Marzel have spent indefinate amounts of times in Israeli prisons without trial. When I was in Israel last March - August, Federman was already in prison for nine months without any charges or trial...last time I checked he is still in Prison. Marzel was recently released after spending months in prison and towards the end of his imprisoment they finally decided to lay charges. Crime? Allegdlly punching a police officer.

Israel weighs possible crackdown on Jewish extremists

By MARGARET COKER
Cox News Service
Thursday, February 24, 2005

JERUSALEM — A recent note addressed to the wife of Israel's defense minister warned: "We will wreak our revenge against you and your children." Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, the chief recipient of such mail, received at least one that declared: "Death to traitors."

In a country that a decade ago lost a prime minister to a Jewish ultranationalist assassin, the disclosure that Israeli cabinet members are receiving an increasing number of threats has sent shockwaves through the nation as the government prepares to withdraw troops and Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip.

On Sunday, parliament approved legislation needed to dismantle the Gaza settlements, an action expected to take place this summer. Some opponents of the "disengagement" plan have vowed to stop it even if it costs them their lives.

Israel's intelligence agencies say that they have no evidence of specific plots against Sharon or other government leaders.

But tensions are high.

An outspoken settler leader, Itamar Ben Gvir, has organized violent demonstrations and made provocative statements.

"We will fight with all the power we have," Ben Gvir told a news conference last week. "This country will bear witness to an unprecedented uprising and the public will finally begin to understand what is really going on."

Politicians say it's time to take pre-emptive measures against known Jewish extremists.

"Wake up before it is too late," Dalia Rabin-Pelossof, the daughter of slain leader Yitzhak Rabin, urged in a recent newspaper commentary. "If we don't do enough now to stop the deterioration, we once again will see the terrible spectacle of a prime minister assassinated."

Rabin was killed by a Jewish assassin in 1995 after his attempts to make peace with the Palestinians and cede land to them in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

Polls show that more than 70 percent of Israelis support Sharon's disengagement plan. The vocal minority against the Gaza pullout maintain that the policy contradicts God's will for the Jewish people, the biblical promise of a "Greater Israel."

The largest Jewish settler advocacy group, the Yesha Council, advocates civil disobedience to halt the removal of Gaza's roughly 8,000 settlers. But Yesha says it does not condone violence against soldiers or police.

The Shin Bet security agency, Israel's equivalent to the FBI, fears that some Israeli right-wing fringe groups won't be so measured in their response to disengagement moving ahead.

Avi Dichter, the head of the agency, has said he believes plans could be afoot to sabotage the country's utilities, blow up Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque, which is Islam's third-holiest shrine, or even assassinate officials in charge of the planned Gaza withdrawal.

Sharon has asked Shin Bet to prepare recommendations for employing the country's administrative detention law against Jewish extremists.

The law allows the government to hold suspects for an unlimited period of time without bringing charges. It is frequently used to arrest Palestinians — of the 7,500 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, around 860 of them are under administrative detention, according to figures cited in December by B'Tselem — but has rarely been used against Jewish citizens.

Gideon Ezra, the government minister for public security, said the law should be used liberally and immediately.

"These people give instructions in closed meetings and there's nothing you can do about it," Ezra told Israel Radio, referring to the Jewish fringe groups. "The only way to deal with them is to put them in administrative detention. I don't like it, but I think we are going through a difficult period, and I don't want clashes."

Ezra said Ben Gvir would be a leading candidate for administrative detention. The Shin Bet is expected to complete its policy recommendation next week.

Ben Gvir said he organized anti-disengagement protests in Jerusalem earlier this month during which demonstrators injured 30 police officers.

"This fellow has lost all understanding of what is permitted by the law," Ezra said.

The agency has already identified two other far-right activists who could be targeted in a crackdown.

Ben Gvir, Noam Federman and Baruch Marzel live in settlements in Hebron, one of the largest Palestinian cities in the West Bank. They are followers of slain Jewish extremist leader Meir Kahane, whose political party was outlawed in Israel in the early 1980s because of its racist tenets.

Ben Gvir and Marzel have never been charged with politically motivated crimes.

The Shin Bet arrested Federman in 2003 on charges of helping to plan and organize a foiled terrorist attack at a Palestinian girls' school. He was subsequently convicted on lesser violations and is under house arrest. He is not prohibited from meeting colleagues or talking to the media. He reportedly has hosted the brothers of Yigal Amir, Rabin's murderer, at his home.

Federman, when asked by Israeli television in an interview last week if he considered violence against Israeli politicians legitimate, replied: "I didn't take out Rabin. I didn't weep when he died, but I didn't wipe him out."

He also said that if someone "takes out" Sharon it wouldn't be him or his friends.

Margaret Coker can be reached at mcoker(at)coxnews.com

[Mediocrates]

Israel should tear up the Law of Ingathering.

[Ophra]

Far right barred from Temple Mount

Leading activists denied permission to enter holy site; meanwhile, police to investigate “Rabin is waiting for Sharon” sticker ..... ( !!!! )

JERUSALEM - Far right activists Baruch Marzel, Baruch Ben Yossef, and Itamar Ben Gvir have been denied permission to enter the Temple Mount by Jerusalem Police.

A spokesman for Jerusalem Police Chief Ilan Franco said the decision would be in force “until further notice.” He also said police would continue to monitor the situation.

Right-wing activists, meanwhile slammed the decision.

“It’s discrimination, plain and simple,” one activist said. “Let’s watch them tell Waqf officials they can’t go in.”

Police initiate talks with senior Palestinians

At the same time, Jerusalem police launched an investigation after stickers saying, “(assassinated Prime Minister Yitzhak) Rabin is waiting for Sharon" appeared in right-wing strongholds. The investigation will attempt to identify the source of the sticker, and determine whether it constitutes incitement .

Also this week, Jerusalem police began talks with senior Palestinians from East Jerusalem to discuss recent reports of right-wing provocations at the Temple Mount.

In recent weeks, posters have been seen around Jerusalem calling for “tens of thousands” of Jews to march on the Temple Mount to mark
the beginning of the Hebrew month of Nissan on April 10.

Police say they have received no formal request for such a march, and say any such request would be debated on its own merits. They add than any approval would only be within the context of the current rules governing such visits. Current regulations provide for visits on specific days and times, and only in small groups.

Muslim officials say the posters are a “provocation.”

Police spokesmen added they are ready to prevent any and all disturbances on the Temple Mount, and will react swiftly and strongly to any such attempt.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...062875,00.html

[Justcurious]

According to The Jerusalem Post, Israel is a racist country.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1111461689370

[Leon]

zig heil israeli style!

racism doesnt exist in Sweden nor europe -- therefore their is no need for any self-criticsim (unlike in Israel - Jpost article is an example). Sweden and EU at large are a perfect example of a utopian society.

[Leon]

Lock up ure own without trial or charge (or bring a charge against them nine months later) whilst those who inicte murder and known terrorists who murder innocent Jews roam free and do their thang. justice Israeli style. Baruch Hashem.

[SteveK]

Hi Leon,

If I remember correctly, the U.S. FBI first blows up a city block and then later answers questions before a select Senate investigating committee whenever a few men, women, and children hole themselves up in a house with an arsenal on the express commandment of God.

Like that "Davidian" group.

America's melting pot could turn into a living burning hell if it tipped over with any spread of anarchy.

So, I guess Israel has learned a few hard lessons from America about what citizens can do to promote the destruction of a society.

The FBI has more than once nipped it in the bud. And, of course, Israelis are second to none in gardening techniques.

[Mediocrates]

No probably not. The whole survivalist patriot guns-n-Jesus movement is really just a blip. It's maybe a fifth the size that it was when McVeigh overstepped and blew up 168 people in Oklahoma. We really are fairly homegenous and play out our playfights online and in politics. All this talk of civil war here or in Israel is just that, talk. It's rhetoric and even if 50 Jews 'rose up' does anyone think the government would have any practical or logistical difficulty in squashing it? Of course not. The far left dreams up these shadow enemies because they are the only enemies they have and the only ones they can fight. What is true though is I think their society is maybe splintering a little more than they thought it would. They were I guess hoping for all non settler Israelis to get on their knees in thanks and that way they could easily marginalize all the settlers once they come back to Israel. Now that job, that political job, is going to be a lot harder. Those people are going to come back pretty pissed off and they are going to demand political concessions and the far left is I think as resolutely stubborn about bending on that as it is they accuse the settlers of being. So the threat of jail is really a political tool to silence what will be a political firestorm down the road. Now they have a precident. Now they can claim that any so called illegal protest is a crime against the state. Now anyone getting a thousand people together to protest whatever strikes them will get the 'special courts' and 'special jails'. Wouldn't it be funny if this devolved into a system where the jails were emptied of Palestinian terrorists and filled with Jewish political prisoners of concience?

[SteveK]

... Wouldn't it be funny if this devolved into a system where the jails were emptied of Palestinian terrorists and filled with Jewish political prisoners of concience?

These Jews do have a conscience,- that's for sure. But, they could be raising the national conscience here for God, Torah, The Jewish People, and ALL The Land of Israel as one inseparable package deal.

These Jews are under the direction of Rabbis, and these Torah leaders must better understand their potential and their followers' potential for bringing very positive change here to Israel, and change which will result in a truly Jewish and Zionist State agenda.

But, if they do continue to pervert our heritage into "burn, baby, burn" , then your prediction might just come true. Well, at least the jails will smell a whole lot better.

[Ophra]

How about this bunch be locked up for a start ???.......

Party under way at murderer's gravesite

Dozens of settlers celebrating Purim near Baruch Goldstein's gravesite; earlier, IDF declares site closed military zone
By Efrat Weiss

KIRYAT ARBA - Dozens of far right activists arrived for the annual Purim celebration at the Kiryat Arba gravesite of Baruch Goldstein, who murdered 29 Palestinian worshippers in 1994.

Earlier Thursday, the IDF declared the site a closed military zone, forcing the activists to stage their celebration nearby. Attendants proceeded to read the Book of Esther, which they accompanied with "Arik is a traitor" calls, in reference to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

Some activists chose to make particularly harsh statements, comparing Sharon to late Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and saying Sharon was "walking in Rabin's footsteps. The tree is ready."

Meanwhile, army and police forces have been deployed in the area in order to prevent attendants from approaching the gravesite itself.

Many activists turned up at the site dressed up, including one wearing an ambulance service shirt displaying the message “Baruch saves Jews. Others carried toy rifles and wore IDF uniforms with the words “commander, I can’t,” in reference to calls on IDF soldiers to refuse settlement evacuation orders.

Others also chose to evoke Holocaust imagery by wearing the controversial orange star, a move that drew harsh criticism in the past.

Event organizers expected about 100-150 people to attend the celebration, but the turnout appears to be weaker than expected.

'Goldstein festivity takes on added meaning'

In 1994, Goldstein indiscriminately killed 29 Muslims at a Hebron mosque on Purim, prompting radical right-wingers to introduce a new tradition by celebrating the Purim festival at his gravesite every year.

Far right activists said this week that Goldstein is a symbol for many Jews in the settlement of Kiryat Arba.

"The Baruch Goldstein festivity takes on an added meaning in wake of the intention to expel Jews from their land and for many in Kiryat Arba, including far-right activists and hilltop youth, it symbolizes the Jew who doesn't accept the current reality and doesn't follow in the footsteps of others," one activist said.

During the past week, dozens of lectures by far-right activists have been given within the Green Line and in the territories in order to preach the "Goldstein Law." The lectures are being delivered before young children and youth, and according to sources from the far right Goldstein is depicted as a hero and a role model, "a person whose actions are designed to teach and convey an important message."

Far right wing activist Itamar Gvir told Ynet this week that Shai Nitzan's team (deputy to the state prosecutor) would probably go through every costume looking for signs of incitement to violence.

Therefore, Ben Gvir said, he is debating whether to dress up as Shai Nitzan in handcuffs or a soldier who refuses orders.

In response to the far right's intention to celebrate at the Goldstein gravesite in Kiryat Arba, Peace Now Secretary-General Yariv Oppenheimer said it was a disgrace.

"The annual reveling around the gravesite is a mark of disgrace on all of Israeli society," he said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...063045,00.html

[SteveK]

How about this bunch be locked up for a start ???.......

Party under way at murderer's gravesite

Therefore, Ben Gvir said, he is debating whether to dress up as Shai Nitzan in handcuffs or a soldier who refuses orders.

In response to the far right's intention to celebrate at the Goldstein gravesite in Kiryat Arba, Peace Now Secretary-General Yariv Oppenheimer said it was a disgrace.

"The annual reveling around the gravesite is a mark of disgrace on all of Israeli society," he said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...063045,00.html

Hi Ophra,

Yes, these folks are acting like stuuuupid idiots. They could be bringing God in front of our nation, instead of keeping Him collecting dust as just one of those books on a shelf in their Yeshivas.

There is great honor that they could be bringing to many Torah leaders, at their burial sites, who lived and died here in the Land of Israel centuries before, and dedicated their lives to preserving our heritage, carrying it forward to us centuries after their passing.

Where are the Torah leaders of our generation? Why don't these Shepherds of Israel step forward and bring the whole flock together? Why don't they kindle the lights of the Menorah on Ayalon Highway in Tel-Aviv instead of igniting those tires?

[Justcurious]

zig heil israeli style!

racism doesnt exist in Sweden nor europe -- therefore their is no need for any self-criticsim (unlike in Israel - Jpost article is an example). Sweden and EU at large are a perfect example of a utopian society.

Still, I'd like to know about attitudes among Israel's minorities. Until a survey is made this article in The Jerusalem Post is incomplete. Are Israelis really as racist as the survey maintains?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1111461689370