Removed Arab propaganda excusing Muslim terrorism and denying the facts of the Holocaust.
Removed Arab propaganda excusing Muslim terrorism and denying the facts of the Holocaust.
Last edited by NewsGuy; 03-27-2005 at 07:29 PM.
[.. The Israeli government (will) make atonement for peace and security ..]
as soon as
the dozen or so Arab countries who attempted to destroy Israel in the past 5 wars also, [.. make atonement for peace and security ..]
sounds fair to me
any comparison of Jews with Nazis is hilarious since Palestinian Arabs (and Arabas in general) were Nazi allies during World War II and still praise the Nazis in their own Arab media.
Generally speaking, I agree with what you've said: Israel has caused injustice and inflicted unecessary pain on the Palestinians. I do not know about American media, however, the reports we get from Europe show that the media there is biased towards the Palestinians, portraiting them as perpetual victims, while downplaying their terror attacks.
However, I strongly object to references and comparisons you make to the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. There is no event in modern human history that can be compared to that historical tragedy. Not in scale, not in the systematic machine-like nature of the killing and not in the ideology behind the action. A Palestinian city that is put under blockade cannot be compared to a ghetto simply becuse an entire city is not a ghetto.
"Blaming the Palestinian people for the problem we face in this crisis today would be similar to blaming the Jewish people for the Holocaust" Maybe it is wrong to blame the Pals for "this crisis". However, it is also misleading, if not manipulative, to compare the actions of the oppressed people in the two occasions.
David, do you know the total number of ethnic Germans ethnically cleansed from Czehoslovakia, Poland, USSR, East Prussia, Yugoslavia, Austria, France, Denmark, Hungary, Romania, and even within Germany itself within the years 1945-1948?
Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
Or the number of Jewish refugees that were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries...Originally Posted by Mil
.Originally Posted by sharonbn
How? is it because they (Jews) havent drowned in the sea yet?
Israel is ruling over a foreign people for 38 years. These people have no citizenship and no civil rights. Do you believe this is justice?Originally Posted by Leon
Yeh, Israel just decided one day to go in and "occupy" "their" land for no apparent reason...all in the name of colonalism and pure sadisim...the Israelis just enjoy it.Originally Posted by sharonbn
well considering that 95% them of have been living under PLO rule for the past 10 years and how the "palestinian street" is ruled by the gun - perhaps you are right about them havig no "civil rights". Maybe Israel should give the Palestinian authority more money in addition to the US $1 billion they already give them every year on top of the hundreds of millions in US $$$ they get in aid money from the international europe. This will assist them in improving the quality of incitement and hatred which is broadcast daily on their TV and radio or freely hold mass hate parades where they walk around dressed up like the KKK and scream for more Jewish blood...speaking of civil liberaties under a "brutual occupier."These people have no citizenship and no civil rights. Do you believe this is justice?
Yup Israel is simply not doing enough, apart from sadistically oppressing them just for the pleasure of it.
Why is it you sit in judgment of Jews? Why is it no one sits in judgment of Arabs? Why is that? I'd really like to understand why no one sits in judgment of the Palestinians? Please explain the moral and ethical underpinnings of that.Originally Posted by sharonbn
The Israeli government saying t-hey will do one thing...the Israelis have imprisoned...The Israeli government must make atonement for peace and security for the people of Israel and the world... If the people and government of Israel want to raise the credibility and stature of the State of Israel among the international community of nations they will have to make major changes to their ways
"The Israeli government must...the Israeli governemt should..." by the sounds of it the Palestinian authority has no obligations or responsbilities at all...you've basically absolved them of their obligations and allowed them to wash their hands of all responsbility.
Its almost hilerious that you make so many hypocritical demands of Israel to "make peace", demanding that it must "change its ways" whilst totally ignoring and making it seem ok for the PLO Arabs to continue on with their daily incitment to kill Jews via TV, radio and schools - to continue planning to murdre innocent Jews - young and old in a most brutual, calculated and cold blooded manner. You make so many demands of Israel, yet forget that they fulfilled literally everything that was demanded of them under Oslo and the road map...yet the Arabs have broken everyone of their obligations and promises and continue to brutually and savagley murder whislt indoctrinating and educating their future generations to hate and voilence.
But what i object the most is your offensive and disgraceful comparison to the PLO terrirotires to the Jewish ghettos. I suppose the Jews recieved billions of US $$$ in international aid every year and ure average Jewish family in the ghettos lived in four storey villas, recieved free electricity, gas, running clean water (payed for by their "oppressors"), had a free press which was free to incite voilence and murder against the population outside the ghetto on a daily basis, and the restrictions placed on Jews were a result of them murdering innocent european women and children. they were also free to hold mass hate parades like these http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/vie...p?pic_id=16101
Where is the moderator when he is needed?
Originally Posted by Leon
But what i object the most is your offensive and disgraceful comparison to the PLO terrirotires to the Jewish ghettos. I suppose the Jews recieved billions of US $$$ in international aid every year and ure average Jewish family in the ghettos lived in four storey villas, recieved free electricity, gas, running clean water (payed for by their "oppressors"), had a free press which was free to incite voilence and murder against the population outside the ghetto on a daily basis, and the restrictions placed on Jews were a result of them murdering innocent european women and children. they were also free to hold mass hate parades like these [url
I generaly agree with your message. I have some remarks over the US annual support for Israel issue. This issue is very hot within Anti-Semites web-activity and things have to put strait. First all have to know that Israel is one of the only that pays most of the money back. So you may call that aid a loan too. It's a business that pays back for the US too. Mutual benefit.
Second, under the US-Israel strategic cooperation many projects in many areas of mutual interests, military, science, medicine, technology (for Israeli military technologies used by the US army) and such are developed.
and so, are together investigate with big Israeli contribution that can easily be translated into money and economic assets entering the US pocket. One of the well known projects is the "Arrow" missiles that was an Israeli science break through.
Third, Israel is yet a military magazine post of the US if global crisis occurs. Some US military magazines are spread in Israel for worst days that may come. The US pushes ammunition and assets from those magazines to their army in Iraq shortening the time and save money and lives. Israel improved some US military tools and made them safer in battle rescuing many American soldiers at battle zone, such as Military personal carriers shelter improves.
There are so many false claims in your post that I simply have no time to fisk it right now, it would literally mean word-by-word debunking. But hey, just one point that would alone make your whole statement crumble:Originally Posted by David2004
When you remind me of examples when the Jewish people in the 30-s massacred Germans after accusing them of ritual murder like the Palestinian Arabs did to Jews in 1840; when you remind me when the Jewish people massacred Germans for daring to carry out their religious rituals like the Palestinian Arabs did to Jews in 1929; when you remind me when the Jewish people invited gangs of foreign maradeurs into Germany to generate another wave of violence like the Palestinian Arabs did to Jews in Palestine in 1936; when you remind me what army the Jews attempted to conquer Germany with like the Palestinians did with the infamous Arab Liberation Army, formed on the basis of the Nazi muslim regiments such as the Hanjar division in 1947, when you remind me when Jews blew up Germans in restaurants and shot German children at playgrounds like the Palestinian Arabs did and continue to do- I may allow you to use that comparison. In the meanwhile, stop preaching and get a history book.Blaming the Palestinian people for the problem we face in this crisis today would be similar to blaming the Jewish people for the Holocaust.
The present situation is less the fault of the Palestinian Arabs specifically and more of the Arab nations out there who incited and funded the Palestinian violence- but Israel certainly isn't the one to blame.
The holocaust isn't solely for grieving about the dead. People don't understand what the Holocaust was. They just think of murder but a member on GameFAQs' board put it quite well:
This is the reason why Israel exists. Human's don't think of themselves as equals by nature, Jews will always be victims without their own land. Heck, they are victims in their own land but a land of your own almost guarantees protection.Originally Posted by [url=http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=916057&topic=19767961]Mayhem King[/url]
For someone that priases historical accurence and complains about Holocaust misconception, it is surprising to see such a common inaccuracy. The Nazis did not burn people alive (at least not in death camps). The crematoriums were used to discard bodies. Gas was used for the actual killing.Originally Posted by danholo
Very true, sharonbn. But that wasn't the point. I guess you know that.
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