Unholy alliance: White Supremacists Reaching Out to Al-Qaeda?

[Womble]

An unholy alliance
Aryan Nation leader reaches out to al Qaeda

By Henry Schuster
CNN

SEBRING, Florida (CNN) -- A couple of hours up the road from where some September 11 hijackers learned to fly, the new head of Aryan Nation is praising them -- and trying to create an unholy alliance between his white supremacist group and al Qaeda.

"You say they're terrorists, I say they're freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our peoples' heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father, who they call Allah."

With his long beard and potbelly, August Kreis looks more like a washed up member of ZZ Top than an aspiring revolutionary.

Don't let appearances fool you: his rיsumי includes stops at some of America's nastiest extremist groups -- Posse Comitatus, the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation.

"I don't believe that they were the ones that attacked us," Kreis said. "And even if they did, even if you say they did, I don't care!"

Kreis wants to make common cause with al Qaeda because, he says, they share the same enemies: Jews and the American government.

The terms they use may be different: White supremacists call them ZOG, the Zionist Occupation Government, while al Qaeda calls them the Jews and Crusaders.

But the hatred is the same. And Kreis wants to exploit that.

A Nation in turmoil

The best thing that can be said about August Kreis is that he has helped preside over the decline of the once-feared Aryan Nation, a movement inspired by the racist tenets of Nazi Germany. He cannot or will not say how many followers the group now has.

What's clear is that Aryan Nation had a violent streak aligned with its anti-Semitic and racist ideology. One of its followers, Buford Furrow, received two life sentences, plus 110 years, for an August 1999 shooting spree in which he shot and wounded four children and one adult at a Jewish community center in the Los Angeles suburb of Granada Hills. Furrow then drove to nearby Chatsworth, California, where he shot and killed a Filipino-American postal carrier.

Others had been accused of involvement in bank robberies, shootouts with authorities and the murders of blacks and others.

More recently, the Aryan Nation lost its Hayden Lake, Idaho, compound, after losing a civil suit led by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Last year, founder Richard Butler died just as the group's leaders were fighting amongst themselves.

Around that time, Kreis tried to open up shop for Aryan Nation in northern Pennsylvania, but got run out by locals. Now he is in Sebring, Florida, and, although his rhetoric is full of revolution and defiance, he wanted to meet our CNN crew at a local park because he didn't want trouble from his neighbors.

You might think white supremacists like Kreis would spurn al Qaeda, since they tend to view non-Aryan Christians as, in their own term, "mud people." In fact, most of them do. But Kreis wants to change that.

"That's old-school racism, white supremacy, this is something new," he said. "We have to be realists and realize what didn't work [previously] isn't going to work in the future."

Supremacist, Islamist connections

The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war.

Three years ago, I met a Swiss Islamic convert named Ahmed Huber, who began his life as a devotee of Adolf Hitler and moved on to praising former Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini, who led that nation's Islamic revolution and vigorously opposed U.S. policies.

Huber wanted to forge a fresh alliance between Islamic radicals and neo-Nazis in Europe and the United States. And he cannot be simply dismissed as a crackpot: Huber served on the board of directors of a Swiss bank and holding company that President Bush accused of helping fund al Qaeda.

Mark Potok, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said that while some U.S. extremists applauded the September 11 attacks, there is no indication of such an alliance -- at least not yet, and not on a large scale. If it exists anywhere, he said, it is in the mind (and the Internet postings) of August Kreis.

For its part, the FBI says it hasn't seen any links between American white supremacists and groups like al Qaeda.

"The notion of radical Islamists from abroad actually getting together with American neo-Nazis I think is an absolutely frightening one," said Potok. "It's just that so far we really have no evidence at all to suggest this is any kind of real collaboration."

So while August Kreis may be calling, there is no sign that al Qaeda is listening.

But that hasn't stopped him. As we ended our interview, we asked Kreis if he had any message for Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants.

"The message is, the cells are out here and they are already in place," Kreis said. "They might not be cells of Islamic people, but they are here and they are ready to fight."

[KettleWhistle]

That's nothing new, really. This web site tracks down various hate groups: http://www.splcenter.org Click on the Intelligence Project button on top and it will take you to all the info you ever wanted on those, including an interactive map that lists them state-by-state. And then there is the following gem:

Subject: CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS, THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!

Author: Brother D. Thomas
My fellow TC brethren and the satanic heathens,

If we all took the stand that our brother Clayton Wagner has taken, this world would be a better place for all True Christians! I am sure that the TC is aware of Clayton. He is the Lord’s warrior in coming up with the ingenious act of mailing letters and packages to abortion clinics containing a substance that appeared to be anthrax; such Godly enlightenment to say the least. In any event, our brother in Christ is calling for all TRUE Christians to become terrorists in the same vein as our foes, the camel jockeyed Muslims.

Since we at TCU don’t mince words and call a spade a spade, even if we’re in Los Angeles, it is high time that we start following the examples set by Clayton, et al, and OUR Bible, and become Christian terrorists in the name of the Lord!

BROTHER CLAYTON’S QUOTE: “An anti-abortion activist, calling for a new wave of violence against clinics and doctors, is following the example of violent Islamic fundamentalists, telling those who share his views to become "Christian terrorists" and promising them a reward in Heaven.”

BROTHER D’S GODLY INSPIRED RESPONSE: Within the same vein as the TCU membership following our God’s Word as historically intended and without any insidious anachronistic interpretations, the true Islamic adherent follows the Qu’ran in the same manner. As the United States of America has found out with the attack on the World Trade Center, the true teachings of Islam, within the Qu’ran, encourages the camel jockey to kill the disbelievers!

The Qur'an tells the “sand fleas”: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5). The Qur'an demands that the “diaper heads” fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65)

NOT TO BE OUTDONE BY THE FALSE GOD ALLAH, we too have our Christian God being racist and demanding the killing of non-christians, to wit: Yahweh selected the Hebrews to be "a people for his own possession, above all peoples on the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6) and that he told his "chosen ones" to KILL EVERYONE in the other ethnic groups in Canaan (Dt. 20:16). "That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, whether man or woman." 2 Chronicles 15:13.

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Romans 16:17). "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known . . . thou shalt surely KILL THEM; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die . . . " Deuteronomy 13:6-10.

(The TC is aware that when our God mentions the Heebs, it is done so only out of respect to history since He jettisoned this ungodly race for His newly founded Christians subsequent to our Saviors death and resurrection).

It is time that the Sky gods of Christianity, Islam, and the Heebs, fight it out until only one is standing tall. Of course we know that the Christian God will win because the other two are false Gods, duh!

Within the link below, at the bottom of the first page, there is many pages devoted to Clayton's cause. He has many like kind that promote killing as demanded by scripture. Read them all to be fully aware of such Godly enlightenment in the name of Christianity.

In the name of the hung Savior.

Brother D. Thomas
_________________________


Anti-Abortionist Calls for Violence, Says It Is Religious Duty

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/U..._040122-1.html

By Dean Schabner

Jan 22 — An anti-abortion activist, calling for a new wave of violence against clinics and doctors, is following the example of violent Islamic fundamentalists, telling those who share his views to become "Christian terrorists" and promising them a reward in Heaven.

"As cream rising to the top of the milk, so the Christian terrorist rises above the huddled masses of churchgoers and the many voices which denounce their violent attempts to defend the innocent from they're [sic] murderous assailants," Chuck Spingola wrote in a posting on the Army of God Web site.

"Regarding abortion the separation is clear. The CT [Christian terrorist] has the Word of God and a testimony of loving, albeit terrifying [to the wicked], actions," he said.

Spingola declined to discuss the statement with ABCNEWS.com without stipulations, but said he stood by the posting.

There is some question among academics and others who follow extremist movements in the United States about how seriously to take the rhetoric, particularly because none believe that such views are shared by more than, at most, a few hundred people.

"The hard-liners have become more and more hard-line, and I think they've lost most of their appeal even with the Christian right, which might share some of their views," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremist movements.

It is not a view likely to be shared by more than a handful of the thousands expected to march today in Washington in the March for Life, an annual protest on the anniversary of the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that made abortion legal nationwide.

Mainstream anti-abortion groups such as the National Right to Life Committee have praised the arrests and convictions of people involved in violence against abortion providers and released a statement that the group "strongly opposes any use of violence as a means of stopping the violence that has killed more than 43 million unborn children since 1973."

Spingola's language is shocking, particularly when he seems to express solidarity with people such as members of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda."One might ask what do the Muslims and Christians have in common? The Holy Bible and Koran both condemn baby murder and homosexuality as capital crimes," he wrote. "The radical elements of both religions are willing to do more than talk to resist the societal promotion of both these capital crimes.

"The foreign terrorists (Muslim) resist the imposition of the United States/United Nations charter, which promotes 'population control' (abortion) and 'diversity' (homosexuality), while the Christian/domestic terrorist simply resists the 'law' of the land, which promotes and often subsidizes abortion and homosexuality," he continued.

Extreme violence against abortion providers has dropped sharply over the last two years, though there has been no decline in the harassment of doctors and staff at clinics and women visiting clinics, according to the National Abortion Foundation.

The movement has been hit hard over the last two years by a series of arrests and trials of some of its most notorious adherents, and some who follow extremists say the "Christian terrorist" rhetoric is an attempt to rally new radicals to take the place of people such as Clayton Waagner, Paul Hill, James Kopp and Eric Rudolph.

Waagner was convicted of threatening to use a weapon of mass destruction for mailing letters containing what appeared to anthrax to dozens of abortion clinics. Kopp was convicted of the 1998 murder of Dr. Barnett Slepian, who performed abortions in Buffalo, N.Y. Rudolph, the suspect in bombings at a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic and at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, is awaiting trial.

Hill was executed in Florida for the 1994 murders of an abortion provider and his bodyguard.

A Chilling Effect

The Rev. Donald Spitz, who runs the Army of God Web site and describes Spingola as a good friend, said he has received little response from the posting, but he says that's normal..........

....................continued at web site.

Brother D. Thomas
Always enlightening the cultural Christian!

[Biaresh]

Quote of the week: I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting the urge to conquer Poland.-- Woody Allen, a Jewish-American anti-Semite.

just a q, what make shim an anti-semite?

[varian]

Islamofascists and anti-American government, white supremacists groups have been in league since prior to the Oklahoma City bombing. One neo-Nazi member from East Germany was sighted in a known supremacist compound in Oklahoma shortly before the bombing. This adds (not that it didn't already exist anyway) a European feature to the North American-ME cabal. US "intelligence" agencies were so concerned with saving face that the facts got lost in the shuffle. Too bad - because they all lost face on 9-11 anyway. If one wants to believe all the mythology surrounding Oklahoma City, Flight 800, 9-11, et al; feel free to remain "intellectually euthanized." It's not conspiracy; it's agenda!!! In the US it's not all about the Jews - it's about us "mud races" too. White purity = bushgallata!!!

[KettleWhistle]

just a q, what make shim an anti-semite?

The work that he has done against Israel. He was one of the first people who advocated economic boycott of products made there.

[Biaresh]

The work that he has done against Israel. He was one of the first people who advocated economic boycott of products made there.

Surely that's anti-israeli and not anti-semitic the two are not one and the same. He is a Jew anyway, I doubt he is anti-jew. arabs are semites too, dont you know.

[KettleWhistle]

There is no difference. Unless you believe that someone can be anti-Iran and not anti-Iranian.

arabs are semites too, dont you know.

So?

[Mil]

Surely that's anti-israeli and not anti-semitic the two are not one and the same.

I am anti-British.

He is a Jew anyway, I doubt he is anti-jew. arabs are semites too, dont you know.

Yep, that's why there are no Jews in the Arab world. Lets call Arabs anti-semites.

[Inocentia]

Biaresh: "Surely that's anti-israeli and not anti-semitic the two are not one and the same"

KW: "There is no difference"

KW, I am thinking, more than any people in the world, Jews should avoid and abhor such generalizations.

Surely you cannot equal political criticism with ethnic hate.

Any justification of a generalization justifies all other generalizations, just as any "acceptable" kind of racism justifies per se
Racism.

Of course, I am intently keeping it simple, but be sure in such matters people tend to instantly adhere to the simplest model.

Racism / shovinism / antisemitism are the simplest, they don't require any intellectual effort.

Such as: "Romanians are a people of thieves, my last mobile phone was stolen by a Romanian!", "Hungarian women are all sluts, I know it for a fact, my last girlfriend was a Hungarian!". And imagination tends to go wilder and simplification more extrem when l'autre looks / dresses / speaks differently... "Maybe they event think differently about good and bad... Maybe they even think differently about our children, than about theirs ... Maybe they even have horns, why else would they wear those hats"?

Don't take me wrong, I am not trying to justify anything, I am just explaining a mental model that makes me sick every time I hear of it... even from people I respect and ...even from someone whose sarcastic reaction I fear

[Biaresh]

^ I agree.

[KettleWhistle]

Biaresh: "Surely that's anti-israeli and not anti-semitic the two are not one and the same"

KW: "There is no difference"

KW, I am thinking, more than any people in the world, Jews should avoid and abhor such generalizations.

Surely you cannot equal political criticism with ethnic hate.

Any justification of a generalization justifies all other generalizations, just as any "acceptable" kind of racism justifies per se
Racism.

Of course, I am intently keeping it simple, but be sure in such matters people tend to instantly adhere to the simplest model.

Racism / shovinism / antisemitism are the simplest, they don't require any intellectual effort.

Such as: "Romanians are a people of thieves, my last mobile phone was stolen by a Romanian!", "Hungarian women are all sluts, I know it for a fact, my last girlfriend was a Hungarian!". And imagination tends to go wilder and simplification more extrem when l'autre looks / dresses / speaks differently... "Maybe they event think differently about good and bad... Maybe they even think differently about our children, than about theirs ... Maybe they even have horns, why else would they wear those hats"?

Don't take me wrong, I am not trying to justify anything, I am just explaining a mental model that makes me sick every time I hear of it... even from people I respect and ...even from someone whose sarcastic reaction I fear

I understand where you're coming from, especially since some of my grandparents are from Romania, and I lived in Moldova for some time.

Regarding criticism of Israel vs. anti-Israelism, the two are not the same thing. There is also a huge difference between disliking some politicians and their policies and working to harm a country, and even more so denying the Jewish people the right to live in an independent country on our homeland.

I was, and still am, an ardent critic of Rabin and his government's actions, but I would never use what they have done to try to undermind Israel existence, or to harm the country. What Woody Allen, Noam Chomsky, and others like them propose is explicitly intended to harm the country, its integrity and independence, and its people. And I don't see how this, or saying that Jews should be the only nation not allowed to have the right of self-determination or of being independent, isn't anti-Semitism.

[DennisTate]

The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war.

These "Americans" should become aware that it was once stated that if Japan had invaded the United States...just after Pearl Harbour...that the Japanese army could have probably taken the territory all the way to the Mississippi before they could have been stopped....These guys should be genuinely worried that they might open a Pandora's box....much larger than they could possibly ever imagine....

Allies like Russia, China or Germany...should never be underestimated!!!!

[Cellis]

Officials see growing terror ties
between radical Islam, skinheads
Posted: August 5, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

WASHINGTON – Neo-Nazi skinheads are working with radical Islamists in a growing unholy alliance that has European law enforcement officials concerned about a new front in the war on terrorism, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND.

Sources in the UK, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Italy, Switzerland and in the Middle East are warning that the world should not be surprised to see young, white males involved in terrorism and in league with Osama bin Laden.

Source: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=45618

[Womble]

You're telling me?

The guy on Ummah forum who runs the sticky thread titled "My Palestine is bleeding" has been linking to and borrowing from neo-Nazi websites. I caught him linking to The National Alliance and notified the mods. They banned the link, but the guy didn't receive as much as a formal warning.

[Mediocrates]

http://www.azure.org.il/magazine/magazine.asp?id=260


Well I was reading "Cruel Britania" by Robert Wistrich and it doesn't really amaze me. I have to say though that as far as England is concerned with this recent spate of bombings, you really can't say you didn't see it coming. Nor can you feel too bad for all media types and politicos who fomented it. Chickens coming home to roost, I say.


At any rate, in the US as far back as before the Iraq war you could go to any antiwar rally and see the Muslims, CAIR, the Nation of Islam, the Klan, the American Nazi Party standing shoulder to shoulder sceaming epithets that would be entirely familiar to Die Sturmer. I myself was subjected to this kind of thing literally just walking by on my way. Since I'm obviously Jewish to everyone but the dumbest redneck, I was accosted and people shouted all kinds of things in my face from Die Jew Die to F**ck all the *ikes to Death to Israel and Death to all the Jews and so on. This was from the student radicals, the NoI agitators and from the Confederate flag waving, white sheet wearing, sieg heiling skinheads who were up there with them.