Why the Christian right loves Israel

[AbedS]

There is a segment of the US population called the Rapture Right. These people can't wait for the "End Times". They are among Israel's most staunch supporters. Has anyone thought why they are so?
They belive that the Messiah (Jesus) will return and there will be a Holy war(that terms again) against all non-believers, including Muslims and Jews. Whoever doesn't convert will be slaughtered. In order for Jesus to come back, the Temple must be rebuilt. I guess they have something in common with Kahane Chai. The exception is that they want to slaughter the Jews eventually, while KC wants to decimate Muslims. Same thing, it calls for genocide.
When Israel sees all these donations and groundswells of support from Arkansas and Texas and Tenessee, look out, because you're getting money from the insane.

[varian]

...the insane.

Now let's see...where have we heard this kind of rhetoric before? Oh yes, it is what the Jews would have heard in the late 1930's in Germany. How Goebbels of you. What color shirt do you wear, and what symbol is on your armband, as you go goose-stepping through your mania? It seems that you have some pent up anger, and you're just looking for another scapegoat. This is just another form of neo-Reich rhetoric, and that is truly insane!

[Mediocrates]

Eh - what's that? You should be a little bit creeped out by them.

[Mira]

they want to slaughter the Jews eventually...

This is a bogus claim.

http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...ogy#post129932

[Mira]

Eh - what's that? You should be a little bit creeped out by them.

Perhaps varian is one of them?

[Toga]

There is a segment of the US population called the Rapture Right. These people can't wait for the "End Times". They are among Israel's most staunch supporters. Has anyone thought why they are so?
They belive that the Messiah (Jesus) will return and there will be a Holy war(that terms again) against all non-believers, including Muslims and Jews. Whoever doesn't convert will be slaughtered. In order for Jesus to come back, the Temple must be rebuilt. I guess they have something in common with Kahane Chai. The exception is that they want to slaughter the Jews eventually, while KC wants to decimate Muslims. Same thing, it calls for genocide.
When Israel sees all these donations and groundswells of support from Arkansas and Texas and Tenessee, look out, because you're getting money from the insane.

They are not insane. On the contrary, they are very smart. Let everybody believe what they want to believe as long and their beliefs are not forced on anyone and as there is no physical harm or psychological harrassment. In fact, we need to be grateful for their friendship and support and our theological differences should not interfere in our relationship. Also, Jews have great respect for Christianity and especially for the American Christianity even if it is not applicable to Jews. We have our own religion, 6000 years of traditions, books, heritage, etc that we need to preserve and follow regardless if we are in America or Israel.

[Womble]

There is a segment of the US population called the Rapture Right. These people can't wait for the "End Times". They are among Israel's most staunch supporters. Has anyone thought why they are so?
They belive that the Messiah (Jesus) will return and there will be a Holy war(that terms again) against all non-believers, including Muslims and Jews. Whoever doesn't convert will be slaughtered. In order for Jesus to come back, the Temple must be rebuilt. I guess they have something in common with Kahane Chai. The exception is that they want to slaughter the Jews eventually, while KC wants to decimate Muslims. Same thing, it calls for genocide.
When Israel sees all these donations and groundswells of support from Arkansas and Texas and Tenessee, look out, because you're getting money from the insane.

They don't want to slaughter all Jews, but rather expect them to convert en masse. A bit of a difference, y'know.

What other options are there for us Jews though? If we are to avoid relying on the Restoration theology supporters- who would make a good friend?

Christians of the Replacement theology variety? But for them we are competitors for the title of God's chosen nation. No wonder the Vatican has been neither Jew friendly, nor Israel friendly at any moment of its history.

The Muslims, perhaps? The group in which the majority of the clergy refers to Jews in their sermons as sons of unclean animals? The group that grew so accustomed to blaming their every failure on Jews and Israel that the very concept of taking responsibility for their actions has faded from their political discourse?

Or should we limit ourselves strictly to the support of those allergic to the very word "religion"? Perhaps they are better. They just want us to stop being different and blend in- on their terms. No more funny yarmulkes, odd clothes and strange diets. No more Zionism, too; being a nation is so last season, after all. Gotta keep up with the fashion.

Thanks, but no thanks. I will accept help and friendship from anyone who means me no harm, including people with odd beliefs, for as long as their moral conduct does not conflict with mine.

[KettleWhistle]

There is a segment of the US population called the Rapture Right. These people can't wait for the "End Times". They are among Israel's most staunch supporters. Has anyone thought why they are so?

These people are properly called "Christian Reconstructinists," and they are a minority of fundamental Christians. The reason for their support is rooted in the Biblical scriptures.

They belive that the Messiah (Jesus) will return and there will be a Holy war(that terms again) against all non-believers, including Muslims and Jews. Whoever doesn't convert will be slaughtered.

Some believe that, others don't. Either way, it is all based on one's interpretation of the Book of Revelations in context of other Christian scriptures.

In order for Jesus to come back, the Temple must be rebuilt.

I haven't heard this one before.

I guess they have something in common with Kahane Chai. The exception is that they want to slaughter the Jews eventually, while KC wants to decimate Muslims. Same thing, it calls for genocide.

Neither is true. They do not want to slaughter Jews, and Kahane Chai doesn't want to decimate Muslims. KC calls for expulsion of Arabs from from Israel, not genocide or destruction of Islam, and for establishment of a Jewish theocracy.

[SteveMetch]

There is a segment of the US population called the Rapture Right. These people can't wait for the "End Times". They are among Israel's most staunch supporters. Has anyone thought why they are so?
They belive that the Messiah (Jesus) will return and there will be a Holy war(that terms again) against all non-believers, including Muslims and Jews. Whoever doesn't convert will be slaughtered. In order for Jesus to come back, the Temple must be rebuilt. I guess they have something in common with Kahane Chai. The exception is that they want to slaughter the Jews eventually, while KC wants to decimate Muslims. Same thing, it calls for genocide.
When Israel sees all these donations and groundswells of support from Arkansas and Texas and Tenessee, look out, because you're getting money from the insane.

You are right about Christian's support of Judaism but wrong on the why.

Point 1: Even Jesus said he didn’t know when the end times would be. I pretty sure Christian doctrine would place Jesus in a better position to know than some preacher in Texas. Besides predestination is direct conflict with human free will.

Point 2: The end times, when or even if they occur, are well beyond anyone’s capability to affect one way or the other. Just live a holy productive life, love your children and respect your neighbors and the rest will take care of itself.

Point 3: Jesus was a Jew, all twelve apostles were Jews, the first Popes were Jews, Jesus’s mother and father were Jews. Christianity needs Judaism more than Judaism needs Christianity. Judaism is G-d salvation working within a people or nation. Christianity brought that same G-d’s salvation to gentiles throughout the world. Jews are an indispensable part of how G-d intends to bring his salvation to the whole world by making disciples of all nations. Therefore both religious systems are necessary, compatible (as a father is to a son) and represent paths towards the same G-d’s salvation.

Point 4: Islam on the other hand, is a combined product of satanic doctrine and Meccan pagan moon god “Allah” worship rituals. It’s all to clear from the undisputed history of Mohammed’s encounter with the “Sprit” and the doctrines that “Sprit” relayed to Mohammed that the “Sprit” was from Satan himself sent to deceive and destroy the true believers (Jews and Christians).

The rise of Islam was predicted over 600 years before Mohammed was even born. Christians were told that any “Sprit” (not to be confused with a Jewish Rabbi) that denies the New Testament revelations, specifically the divinity of Christ or his resurrection, is by definition from Satan himself. The revelation this "Sprit" gave to Mohammed contradicts most of the Old and New Testaments. The accursed nature of all practicing Islamic countries is a true testament to its lineage. As followers of the true G-d we are required, through peaceful means, to bring salvation to even the least of our brothers. He said nothing about our Jewish fathers

Conclusion: If there is to be any conflict in the end times it will be between the followers of G-d vs. the follower of Satan. Any Jew or Christian specifically worried about this should put all their energy behind promoting liberal secular democracy (women’s rights, freedom of religion) in Muslim countries. The Islam of the Koran will not survive in this environment, what does will be more cultural than spiritual. The end result will be less Koranic Muslims and more Atheist, Christians and Jews through a peaceful and voluntary transition over many generations. A future that all people of good will should work towards.

[Toga]

You are right about Christian's support of Judaism but wrong on the why.

Point 1: Even Jesus said he didn’t know when the end times would be. I pretty sure Christian doctrine would place Jesus in a better position to know than some preacher in Texas. Besides predestination is direct conflict with human free will.

Point 2: The end times, when or even if they occur, are well beyond anyone’s capability to affect one way or the other. Just live a holy productive life, love your children and respect your neighbors and the rest will take care of itself.

Point 3: Jesus was a Jew, all twelve apostles were Jews, the first Popes were Jews, Jesus’s mother and father were Jews. Christianity needs Judaism more than Judaism needs Christianity. Judaism is G-d salvation working within a people or nation. Christianity brought that same G-d’s salvation to gentiles throughout the world. Jews are an indispensable part of how G-d intends to bring his salvation to the whole world by making disciples of all nations. Therefore both religious systems are necessary, compatible (as a father is to a son) and represent paths towards the same G-d’s salvation.

Point 4: Islam on the other hand, is a combined product of satanic doctrine and Meccan pagan moon god “Allah” worship rituals. It’s all to clear from the undisputed history of Mohammed’s encounter with the “Sprit” and the doctrines that “Sprit” relayed to Mohammed that the “Sprit” was from Satan himself sent to deceive and destroy the true believers (Jews and Christians).

The rise of Islam was predicted over 600 years before Mohammed was even born. Christians were told that any “Sprit” (not to be confused with a Jewish Rabbi) that denies the New Testament revelations, specifically the divinity of Christ or his resurrection, is by definition from Satan himself. The revelation this "Sprit" gave to Mohammed contradicts most of the Old and New Testaments. The accursed nature of all practicing Islamic countries is a true testament to its lineage. As followers of the true G-d we are required, through peaceful means, to bring salvation to even the least of our brothers. He said nothing about our Jewish fathers

Conclusion: If there is to be any conflict in the end times it will be between the followers of G-d vs. the follower of Satan. Any Jew or Christian specifically worried about this should put all their energy behind promoting liberal secular democracy (women’s rights, freedom of religion) in Muslim countries. The Islam of the Koran will not survive in this environment, what does will be more cultural than spiritual. The end result will be less Koranic Muslims and more Atheist, Christians and Jews through a peaceful and voluntary transition over many generations. A future that all people of good will should work towards.

However, most Jews in the Islamic countries survived while most Jews in the Christian Europe did not.

[SteveK]

These Christians get to heaven by bringing Jews to heaven with them by accepting Jesus.

It's these Arab Muslims who get to heaven by slaughtering Jews, and Christians, and anyone else not Muslim.

[varian]

Perhaps varian is one of them?

The American Left is still smarting from their most recent defeat in a national election. They are looking for scapegoats to blame for this loss. The Crawford Texas "idiot," aka, the dumbest, swaggering fool on the planet; has handed the left a staggering blow twice. Instead of running a true war hero like Bob Kerry (I may even have been tempted to vote for him); they chose a cheap immitation like John Kerry. What do you expect the outcome to be with a choice like that? Of course in the previous election cycle Gore's lightweights called Bob Kerry a "gimp," and then later a war criminal. The height of hypocricy was to come back with a fake hero like John Kerry in the next go around. Instead of adjusting their own presentation (HELP!!! I'm stuck in a paradigm and I can't get out.), they look for a scapegoat. How shallow can a group get. Between the DNC and the RNC, the US offers the world the height of political ineptitude and wasted hopes for true leadership. Like another comment on this thread, I'm sure that the Jews will be blamed for something in the near future. The only difference is that now they have perfected the best (or worst) techniques of the "great" righty and lefty societies of the last century. It seems to me that this country threw off the yoke of oppression over two centuries ago that this inept two party system is trying to reapply now. This country was the only one in the world ever to come about with the idea that the governed would always be more sacred than the governing body. Now we have these narrow minded goose steppers to assert that the government should have this place of honor. If this is what America has become, then it can no longer function as a beacon to the world's downtrodden, and it becomes a myth and a lie. I would rather see a military coup, than see this country become what either the DNC or RNC wants it to become. So just keep on goose stepping; the world has witnessed this before on divers continents and in divers countries, and it has only brought increased pain, suffering, and death. The only thing that you seek to improve is your own self centered interests. This is really a hidden agenda intended to reinstate the "Final Solution."

[SteveMetch]

However, most Jews in the Islamic countries survived while most Jews in the Christian Europe did not.

First of all Jews, in modern times, have suffered at the hands of the Nazi and Communist Atheist in Europe. Second of all when is the last time you talked to Jew in a predominately Muslim area? It’s no picnic to be Jewish or Christian when you are surrounded by practicing Muslims. Practicing ones non-Muslim religion and brandishing lots of money in the inner city have about the same effect.

[KettleWhistle]

I don't approve of Muslim-bashing, but I have to agree. There seems to be a strong sense of hostility towards others in the Muslim communities. Such is not the case with most Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Shintu, and most other religions.

[Mediocrates]

Please read "The Right Nation: Conservative Power in America" by John Micklethwait & Adrian Wooldridge


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