Why the Christian right loves Israel

[Ariksan]

We Jews believe that the Moshiah will come (soon), we don't know who it will be.

The Christians believe that Moshiah will come (soon), they believe it will be Jesus.

Of course there are A LOT of theolgical differences - but if you look at the basics only there is no reason for Christians and Jews not to be allies on the issues we are agree on.

[Toga]

First of all Jews, in modern times, have suffered at the hands of the Nazi and Communist Atheist in Europe. Second of all when is the last time you talked to Jew in a predominately Muslim area? It’s no picnic to be Jewish or Christian when you are surrounded by practicing Muslims. Practicing ones non-Muslim religion and brandishing lots of money in the inner city have about the same effect.

I did not know that the Poles were atheists. It is news to me. Hitler did not build the concentration camps in Poland because the Jews were loved in Poland. I also did not know that the Western Ukranians and Luthianians were atheists. Af for the Nazis, how many of them were Catholics?

[KettleWhistle]

Poles were generally Catholics, as were most of the Nazis. So what? What do any of their actions have to do with Christianity?

On the other hand, millions of faithful Christians have been oposing anti-Semitism for a very long time. American Baptists pretty much always treated Jews well, as have many other Protestants.

[varian]

- but if you look at the basics only there is no reason for Christians and Jews not to be allies on the issues we are agree on.

How about agreeing on the survival of the state of Israel by any means necessary. Some American Jews can't even support that premise. Remember that in Moses time (for those who believe the story), only Joshua, Caleb, and a minority of the rest wanted to "take the land." The rest of the naysayers were led around the Sinai for 40 years (+/-) until they croaked. Perhaps that is an example of present day Israel, where the secular want to avoid the tough choices in order to gain a "temporary" peace agreement. Of course the secular will sell it as the real deal, just to make themselves sound like the "sane" negotiators. How sad if the term "Rabbi" has lost its place of respect and honor in Israel, how sad indeed.

[Toga]

[QUOTE=KettleWhistle]Poles were generally Catholics, as were most of the Nazis. So what? What do any of their actions have to do with Christianity?
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Where did the hatred of Jews originate?

[Mira]

The American Left is still smarting from their most recent defeat in a national election. They are looking for scapegoats to blame for this loss. The Crawford Texas "idiot," aka, the dumbest, swaggering fool on the planet; has handed the left a staggering blow twice. Instead of running a true war hero like Bob Kerry (I may even have been tempted to vote for him); they chose a cheap immitation like John Kerry. What do you expect the outcome to be with a choice like that? Of course in the previous election cycle Gore's lightweights called Bob Kerry a "gimp," and then later a war criminal. The height of hypocricy was to come back with a fake hero like John Kerry in the next go around. Instead of adjusting their own presentation (HELP!!! I'm stuck in a paradigm and I can't get out.), they look for a scapegoat. How shallow can a group get. Between the DNC and the RNC, the US offers the world the height of political ineptitude and wasted hopes for true leadership. Like another comment on this thread, I'm sure that the Jews will be blamed for something in the near future. The only difference is that now they have perfected the best (or worst) techniques of the "great" righty and lefty societies of the last century. It seems to me that this country threw off the yoke of oppression over two centuries ago that this inept two party system is trying to reapply now. This country was the only one in the world ever to come about with the idea that the governed would always be more sacred than the governing body. Now we have these narrow minded goose steppers to assert that the government should have this place of honor. If this is what America has become, then it can no longer function as a beacon to the world's downtrodden, and it becomes a myth and a lie. I would rather see a military coup, than see this country become what either the DNC or RNC wants it to become. So just keep on goose stepping; the world has witnessed this before on divers continents and in divers countries, and it has only brought increased pain, suffering, and death. The only thing that you seek to improve is your own self centered interests. This is really a hidden agenda intended to reinstate the "Final Solution."

I'm not sure why you responded to my post to Medio with this?

[varian]

Perhaps varian is one of them?

Your response.

[Mira]

Your response.

Got to say, varian, I still don't understand the reponse. Medio said to you that maybe you should be concerned about "them" and I suggested that perhaps you might be one of them (a Christian Zionist). If you read the post I wrote just prior to that, I said that the original poster claims was "bogus" and I posted a link to Romans and a discussion about the issue that we had previously. Your point might be valid, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote. You could have just as easily responded to some of the other posters who also countered the original poster with the same comments. As far as your comments, sure...I see the scapegoating that is going on in both the right and left camps in US politics and I agree with you that the situation is becoming more problematic. Simplistic, sweeping generalizations are never a good thing.

[varian]

Nor are "never" and "always;" but I do apologize to you for my crustiness.

[KettleWhistle]

Where did the hatred of Jews originate?

You are treating Christians as a monolith group, which they are not. There are varying theological opinions on Jews among different denominations. The worst are actually the Russian Orthodox Church. Catholics weren't much better until the doctrinal reforms of Vatican II. But all of that isn't a result of Christian religion, but that of people scapegoating Jews, and using the religion to justify it. It isn't much different than those Muslim clerics who preach against Jews nowadays.

[SteveK]

We Jews believe that the Moshiah will come (soon), we don't know who it will be.

The Christians believe that Moshiah will come (soon), they believe it will be Jesus.

Of course there are A LOT of theolgical differences - but if you look at the basics only there is no reason for Christians and Jews not to be allies on the issues we are agree on.

Ariksan,

The Jews and Christians believe in the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There is no reason not to be allies.

[Dytronimun]

WTF is this?
How can some christians hate jews? I mean Jesus Christ is jewish!!!

[Gvil]

True beliver in Christ should't hate NO ONE. It is a fact that Jesus commanded that every TRUE beliver should LOVE his ENEMIES. Yes, even enemies and yes, not just tolerate them but LOVE them. And to every Christian Jews should be considered as very precious! They are God's chosen people.

[KettleWhistle]

WTF is this?

Ignorance.

[Achihud]

We Jews believe that the Moshiah will come (soon), we don't know who it will be.
The Christians believe that Moshiah will come (soon), they believe it will be Jesus.
Of course there are A LOT of theolgical differences - but if you look at the basics only there is no reason for Christians and Jews not to be allies on the issues we are agree on.

Now that is sensible thinking! If christians have weird and untrue visions of the future it is their on fault they don't see it right. It shows that they are not ready to keep their mouth shut on critical subjects. But, if they support Israël that's the right step forward. For the rest of the road they have their Scripture to rely on. If they are thrustworthy enough they will receive what they are looking for, as for the jews.