could someone please explain the nature and objectives of recent concessions by israel in the occupied territories
thanks in advance, schricken
Home | could someone please explain the nature and objectives of recent concessions by israel in the occupied territories
thanks in advance, schricken
Judea and Samaria are not "occupied territories." They belong to Israel under UN resolution 242, which guarantees Israel the right to live within secure borders. Besides the UN resolutions, these areas are historically part of the Jewish homeland and the Arabs living there currently are basically squatters who came over from the Arabian desert and stole the Jewish land.Originally posted by schricken
could someone please explain the nature and objectives of recent concessions by israel in the occupied territories
In any event, Israel has offered the Palestinians huge concessions by already handing over all of the main Palestinian population centers to the full control of arch-terrorist Arafat. Furthermore, Israel was willing to offer the Palestinians most of the rest of Judea and Samaria, if only the Palestinians would stop their massacres of Jews for a mere 7 days.
However, to stop the massacres for 7 days proved to be too high of a price for the Palestinians to pay in exchange for control of the land, and so they rejected those terms. Instead, the Palestinians chose to build missile factories and training grounds for suicide bombers in Judea and Samaria.
The United Nations is a big joke, and we all know that.
Judea and Samaria are Israeli land by virtue of the 1967 and 1973 wars in which Israel won the land in self defense.
Israel has historical claims to the land aside from this, as do others (Arabs, turks, mamaluks, long gone philistines and other canaanite tribes), but the bottom line is that Israel won the areas.
Originally posted by NewsGuy
Judea and Samaria are not "occupied territories." They belong to Israel under UN resolution 242, which guarantees Israel the right to live within secure borders. Besides the UN resolutions, these areas are historically part of the Jewish homeland and the Arabs living there currently are basically squatters who came over from the Arabian desert and stole the Jewish land.
In any event, Israel has offered the Palestinians huge concessions by already handing over all of the main Palestinian population centers to the full control of arch-terrorist Arafat. Furthermore, Israel was willing to offer the Palestinians most of the rest of Judea and Samaria, if only the Palestinians would stop their massacres of Jews for a mere 7 days.
However, to stop the massacres for 7 days proved to be too high of a price for the Palestinians to pay in exchange for control of the land, and so they rejected those terms. Instead, the Palestinians chose to build missile factories and training grounds for suicide bombers in Judea and Samaria.
Also a useful source: http://www.jcpa.org
You forgot the babyloniansOriginally posted by MGB8
Israel has historical claims to the land aside from this, as do others (Arabs, turks, mamaluks, long gone philistines and other canaanite tribes), but the bottom line is that Israel won the areas.
First off, they are not 'occupied'.
They are DISPUTED.
Never ever call them occupied because the only land Israelis are occupying is Israel.
Never ever call them occupied because the only land Israelis are occupying is Israel.
So, the Jewish settlers all got up and left? When, last night in the dark?
The Occupied Territories as spoils of war? Isn't that stretching things a bit? How about the following from:
http://themilitant.com/2002/6624/662449.html
After the 1967 conquests, the Israeli military administration began wholesale expropriations of Palestinians’ land. By 1981 one-third of the land in the West Bank had been taken out of Palestinian hands. The usual procedure was for the army to declare an area indispensable to security, seal it off, and force the farmers off the land. Fraudulent sales were engineered, taking advantage of the fact that incomplete record-keeping under the Ottoman Empire and British colonial rule often made it impossible for Palestinians to prove title even though their families had worked the land for generations. Israeli policies also blocked farmers from using their land. The military government then confiscated it because it had been left fallow. Some villages lost half their land to Israeli confiscations. Those farmers who resisted faced arrest for "terrorist activity," destruction of their homes, expulsion from the country, or spraying of their crops with defoliants.
Much of the confiscated land was turned over to Israeli settlements. By 1988 there were 130 in the West Bank and Gaza. In Gaza, one-third of the land had been turned over to some three thousand settlers. With military considerations in the forefront, the settlements are built on hilltops overlooking Palestinian villages. Surrounded by huge coils of barbed wire, they resemble forts more than farming communities, and are strategically located amid clusters of Palestinian villages to keep the latter separated and terrorized. The settlers, often right-wing émigrés from the United States, are armed. They get aid from the government and from Zionist organizations.
End of quote
If they were spoils of war, Israel would have legally annexed them and given citizenship to the occupants. That's how it is done with spoils of war. That's not what happened.
If you're going to steal their lands from them, at least be honest and admit it, instead of coming up with these fabulous fables.
And what is this laughable bit about squatters? Over 3 million squatters and 3 million more in refugee status? That has to be a world record for squatters, squatters in any situation usually running from a few to a few hundred. Where are you folks getting this stuff from? It wouldn't even make a believable comic book, or do you really think you can fool all of the world all of the time? Those days are long gone in an age of cell phones, internet and live news globally, even if you try to keep the reporters out.
How about some honesty and integrity out there instead of Grimm's fairy tales?
The russians have exiled pretty much that same number of chechnians. Why aren`t you whining about that too?
Iori,
again, total lack of style. You accuse me of whining, then assume without knowing me, that I'm not involved with the Chechnians. How could you know that? You assumed! And you know what happens when you assume.
Honestly, I expected a bit more of a counter argument than your schoolyard pat. It could be equally argued that legal annexation could still take place today. And it would make alot more sense. All of Israel and the Occupied Territories together make up such a pitifully small land mass that it is impossible to defend it from some serious outside threat. And instead of uniting, you want to chop this into two or more pieces because cousins can't learn to live together and trust one another? Now that's what I call insane. Unite and defend together, instead of dividing and destroying from both outside and within. Problem is, both Israelis and Palestinians would have to live and be treated equally, an awful big challenge for an Israel obsessed with demographic monotony.
Ok trollboy - pick up a gun and sell your story in Cairo. By that reasoning I guess we should kick the Spaniards out of Spain too and give it back to its rightful owners, the Moors.
The schoolyard's alive tonight!
The Moors invaded and maintained their conquest for what, about eight hundred years? And were pushed back out again. Funny how that usually happens to invaders. Sort of what the Raza is doing in the US, pushing the Americans up and out by quietly displacing them. Watch out, they'll be in North Carolina before you know it and everything south of Canada will belong to Mexico.
Trollboy? C'mon, engage a few brain cells, you can do better than that.
better yet - review the rest of this board you'll find several hundred discussion points that don't need to be repeated again, here.
Is that avoidance or denial you are practicing?
that is reiteration - read and learn at your own peril, you have only your fear to lose, scrolling and reading is just as easy for you as it is for anyone else.
clearly you pose rhetorical questions in order to flame -
FWIW, you might just see an Hispanic seperatist movement in the south west US, though not here in Carolina in the next 30 years or so.
..and I don't think the Moors will be reinvading in the next thirty years or so, either.
Rhetorical? Flame? Far from it. Just looking for intelligent discourse and exchange of ideas. What I get instead is tapdance. If you disagree with me, have at me with a good counter argument. I would appreciate it.
Erich
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