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here 10 points answered for that thread by a member to his posters at that forum.
The first ten points can be answered but lets start from USS liberty incident.I will discuss those who I can answer more clearly but bulk of the points here are answerable.
Attack On USS Liberty
My brother do some research yourself also. This suip was struck during 1967 when Arab Israel conflict. Probably it was a case of coilateral damage. As the Israelis do not understood the reason for a military ship flying American flag in that area. It was not a voluntry action to damage American vessel but an act occuring probably due to some confusion during an active conflict.
Paying Public relation Firms
I believe we should also follow suite and hire some good public relation firms to project our good image in the eyes of American public. It will help us counter Indian propagenda.
Orders By Ben Guerion
Do you think in 1948 when Israel was attacked by Arab coilation forces and when Arabs outnumbered Jews 7 to 1(i believe these are figure for forces) it was possible for Israel to expel Palestinians out. If Arabs had been better in the use of military tactics the situation may have been different. More over what I have read suggests that Arabs themselves gave calls for movement of Muslims from Israeli occupied areas. Even if this wrong then too I appraise Ben Guarion for his policy of not taking any risk with the defences of his newly formed country.
PhDs
Please would you like to elaborate from where the funds for research projects of these PhDs come from. More over which universities share credit for this performance and how many many universities are there in Palestine.
1967 War
I don't know which history books you study where Arabs have been deemed responsible for initiating 1967 war. The 6 war as nearly every body interested knows was a pre emptive strike by Israelis in which the virtually defeated Arab countries within 6 days.
See nothing is wrong with quoting the history but many things are bad about moulding the history.
Saad
in improving the well being of it's own citizens, long time security of their nation and borders. After that they could start working on political correctness, and what other nations might think about them.
I don't know any other way Israel could achieve security without following their established practices. Once their security is firmly established, I'm sure they will be able to appease some of the concerns of the liberals.
However, enemies of Israel like enemies of any other country will continue to find shortcomings in their policies. We just have to accept this as a fact, and continue to do what is best for us.
I don't think Bharat Rakshak intends any animosity or hostility towards Israel and more than likely he/she appreciates Israel. In India there is little known about Israel and therefore he/she put those "facts" there to ask questions about it. I do agree they are stupid "facts" written by a bunch of Paki Islamofasicts jihadis and don't need to be here in the first place. This is where the moderators should come in an do some cleaning up of the forum.
I agree. This is exactly how I understand it. I think he/she was suspicious of the purported "facts" and wanted our side.Originally Posted by The Indian
Womble your defense is very courageous, and on some points I must agree with you, yet please admit that many of these points are legitimate. For example the nuclear issue, you point rightfully out that other countries too disrespect international legislation, but you've probably been among those who were calling for swift action against those "perpetrators"... while keeping entirely silent about your own country...
Well if India would start calling their state "the nation of the Hindu's" and start discriminating other communities I'm sure the muslim and Siks communities would be pretty upset... in India the president is a muslim, I can never imagine a muslim president for Israel, yet the percentage of muslims in India and Israel is similar. So clearly Israel discriminates more against its minorities than india does.Well yes. In the same way as any other state of the planet is dedicated to preserving and maintaining their national character. Tell India to stop being an Indian state, and see how the Indians react to it
Yet one of the involved in this crime could become prime minister of Israel, I don't think it would have been possible in Europe.1)The soldier was arrested and prosecuted.
2)The attack was condemned.
3)Rishon Le-Zion cannot possibly be "known to Palestinians by its Arabic name", as it was founded by the Jews in 1882 as a new city and not in place of any previously existing Arab village.
And still it's true somehow, by the way not only christians but muslims as well. Palestinians were majoritarian christian before the invasion of Arabs, after the invasion palestinians continued to be majoritarian christian altough more and more converted to muslim. the Arab invasion wasn't some kind of "big boom" which suddenly made the whole original population disappear, this almost never happens. Arabs mixed with locals, but locals remained in the majority, altough they started to speak arab (very close to their original Arameic language anyway) and many, altough not all, converted to Islam because it gave them more advantages.Any historian and anthropologist would laugh at this claim. Hell, try telling the Palestinian Christians themselves that that are descendants of Jews and not of Arabs- its just about the easiest way to piss them off
Not possible in Europe?
Well, let me tell you about Holland then>
We have a political party named 'groenlinks' > =greenleft
It's quiet a big party with their ex-leader Paul Rosenmoller> a millionarson wo was very actif in violent attacks on Dutch farmers and democratic institutions.He burned down buildings and even trowing granates was not a problem for him! The exteme left organisations he established are still responsible for more than 2000 attacks on farmers each year! He is also a big supporter of the Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin regimes. Now he quitted politics, but before he quit, he made his own job, where he has to work one day a year and gets 100.000 EURO for that!
This party also has a member in the parlement wo followed lessons in a hamas terroristic training camp!
But worse, our ex- goverment. (paarse coalitie) Who led this country for 8 years (1994-2002) was able to murder possible threats!
They (the ex-goverment) are al gone now, but not without taking a lot of money> they all secured top-jobs in companies when they still had a lot of influence!~
I wish that u'r right, but sadly u'r not so friendly to tourists in u'r country which explain why there aren't many. You possede so many beautiful landscapes i really admire the land.
well I'm not unaware of Dutch politics. As far as I know there has never been a civil war in the Netherlands when "buildings were burned down" and grenades thrown, at least nothing comparable to the Lebanese civil war...
Which extreme left organisations responsible for which 1000's of attacks a year????? I must have missed something!
If you think the Netherlands is such a mess, it clearly means you haven't travelled much! To me the country appears to be extremely clean, ordered and a little boring. (except of course Amsterdam hehe) And you sure have problems with your etnic minorities but clearly not as much as in France let alone the US. Of course the murder on the populist gay politician and on the scenarist are a shock to the nation, I can understand that, but please don't exaggerate. As far as I know the responsibles have been convicted in court or are being convicted. They all belong to marginal small extremist groups or acted on their own.
About your government: the last poll I saw shows that Dutch people are very unhappy about the current government and economic performances have never been worse, still the Netherlands are among the most wealthy countries in the world (partially because of good economic performance of the purple coalition), you need to put things in perspective.
groetekes
well, first of all, in the last three years I've been in more than 25 country's in the Middle East, Asia, Oceania, North-America and of course Europe.
So I know in big lines how the world is.
And the economic problems in Holland have been created by the old goverment. They made so many rules that companies and high educated people fled and flee the country. My dad has his own company(small hotel 50 rooms) and just this morning we received 32!!! letters from the goverment we had to fill in! All bureaucratic stuff which is complete useless. (we are the most bureaucratic country in the world!) And this happens every day again!
This cost so many time and is so complicated! And if you even forget a little thing than you have to pay thousands of euro's! Can you Imagine why companies flee? Another reason: when you report a crime to the police you've got a 20% change of a response from the police, and a 5% change of prosecution of the criminal! A year ago, junks stole 20 car radios out of our hotel guest's cars. Al windows were smacked, the car of the criminals including licence plate was on tape> reaction of the police: sorry, no time sir!
And not so many problems with ethnic minorities? Wow, you surely have only seen the touristic areas. Not only in the major cities we have problems with them! Also in small villages (3000 inhabitants). A few months ago an entiry village was demolished by Moroccan youth's. And ethic Dutch are killed for not being a Muslim! And the police is not allowed to fine people which are clearly Muslims, if the police is not in the majority at that moment, because that's to dangerous! And I'm not saying that only the Muslims are to blame! Also the goverment which is still refusing to make terrorism a criminal thing!
And does not obligate Muslims to learn our language, and does nothing to stop the building of Mosques. In Rotterdam we will get world's tallest mosque!
They are growing like mushrooms here! If you would put all schools in Holland togehter then you would have a 'black school' as we call this in Holand! Which means more than 50% of the pupils is not from Dutch origen!
BTW: the current goverment is like the last also left!
I really don't hold any hostile views regarding Israel. This was some article I read in the Pakistani forum and would have liked to get the views of Israelis on the 30 points as to know whether the following things abt Israel are true or not.
Peace
You shouldn't have read this anyway,
Pakistani are Muslims and they just make up anti-Israel things.
btw, you shouldn't visit an Pakistani forum, if you don't take care your brain is washed there.
look at the anti-Indian posts there, it really is very hard to ignore them...
And Has anyone registered on that forum?
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