Israel Refuses Extradiction of Polish Jew

[Semsem]

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Israel refuses anew to extradite Polish Jew
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS



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WARSAW, Poland

Israel has refused for a second time to extradite to Poland a Jewish man accused of crimes against German prisoners just after the end of World War II, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Polish prosecutors received the refusal in a letter from the Israeli Justice Ministry saying "there was no basis whatsoever to extradite" Solomon Morel, an 86-year-old Holocaust survivor, prosecutor Ewa Koj told The Associated Press.

Polish prosecutors charge that Morel is responsible for the deaths of at least 1,500 prisoners in the Swietochlowice camp.

Koj, a prosecutor with the government-run National Remembrance Institute in Katowice, said the Israeli ministry argued that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out. The institute investigates communist- and Nazi-era crimes.

Koj criticized Israel's decision, saying: "How can a statute of limitations run out on crimes against humanity?"

"There should be one measure for judging war criminals, irrespective whether they are German, Israeli, or any other nationality," she said.

Israel, which has no extradition treaty with Poland, in 1998 refused an extradition request based on charges of torture; the current request broadened the charges to genocide, for which there is no statute of limitations in Polish law.

Morel left Poland for Israel in 1994, after accusations against him surfaced.

[Semsem]

The Poles have a nerve to request his extradiction. They want to suck up to Germany and the EU.

[Mil]

Agreed. Germans got what they deserved. If I were managing a German concentration camp even more would have been "killed."

[Semsem]

What he did may not have been very kosher BUT all his family were slaughtered and he had survived Auschwitz.

[Gilgamesh]

I remember the story, from few years back.

After the war, the Soviets appointed a holocaust survivor, as the menager of prisoner camp for captured SS war criminals. Turned out, the holocaust survivor was not a very good menager... and some 1500 SS murderers were starved to death... ( with the war and all, food was sacrese... ).

The Soviets repeated this, and similar excersizes to clean Europe from facists, Nazis and other collaborators. For example, Holocaust survivors were enlisted to the NKVD (and later KGB) for the sole purpose of hunting down and eliminating Nazis and colaborators. There is no valid estimation of how many Nazis "resisted arrest" and got shot... those were not arrested by survivors, found other survivors guarding and administaring the gulags in Siberia (from which very few Nazis returned).

[Mil]

Posted by Giglamesh:

There is no valid estimation of how many Nazis "resisted arrest" and got shot... those were not arrested by survivors, found other survivors guarding and administaring the gulags in Siberia (from which very few Nazis returned).

In fact the Germans got very lucky to how the Soviets have treated the POWs and that Stalin did not decide to even the scores a bit. Out of some 3 million German soldiers in Soviet captivity, captured all through the war, over 2.2 million came home. Most Germans died during the hungry years of 41-43. Soviets also captured over 1.2 million of the German allies of which over 1 million made it home.

Overall it implies that over 75% of the Germans have survived Soviet captivity!!! And 80% of all the


Overall it implies that over 75% of all German POWS survived Soviet captivity and came home!!!!!! Over 85% of all the German allies came home!!!!

In comparison of 4.5 million captured Soviet soldiers only 1.5 million came home which implies 70 death rate!!!!!!!!

The Germans got it VERY LUCKY!!!!!!!! If I was the commander of the German POW camps I would have been BRUTAL!!!!! I would definetly even the scores especially if I would have survived Auzwitz.

[Zlatorog]

Stalin was concerned about his empire. NKVD were mostly a state within a state, and the most important were political opponents. Two that took advantage of the chaos here in 45 and disobeyed Tito's orders were soon sorry for that*. Most of our people were 'taken' by the Germans and the Italians, in some cases they were stuck in American POW camps. Stalin and Churchil that took time to see what their documents really mean, enabled them to fight again. In 45 we almost had two governments, one that was pro-western in Ljubljana, one was almost formed in Trieste and a communist one was formed in Ajdovscina. There were few civilians left, instead we had fleeng Germans, Cossacs, Ukranians, Turkestans, Chetnik, Ustasha and others. So another 400.000 occupied the north. The Americans wanted to attack Tito's army, but changed their mind, because after all, Slovenian partisans have saved over 500 of their pilots and made other operations possible. Even though someone shot down and killed about seven of their pilots, the British and the Americans changed their mind to have their route to Austria here, so as soon as the Ljubljana government were informed, they went to Austria. The British traded them so that the NKVD formations would leave Carinthia (the second loss of Carinthia after 1920, the third one was in 55, Churchill was sorry for that). Then Stalin's army attacked from the Hungarian border. Tito's generals were in shock, they immediately dissolved all national armies and by 67 every civilian would become a combatant.

After this first shock Stalin decided not to negotiate about Italy (Istria and Trieste) and one of ours* asked him about his behavour and he turned to Molotov: "Is Benelux one country?" Molotov replied: "Yes, Benelux is one country." Then the Americans and the British watched how all opposition was expelled. During the negotiations for Israel we, and the Arabs, were not allowed to say a word. The Soviets were sometimes just waving at us. Then all contact was cut on 21 March 1948. The Americans decided to ignore the detailed documentation about 700 genocidal Italians, also Mufti of Jerusalem was forgotten by the British. We never got any reparations from Italy. As soon as they saw that we might become a EU country the Berlusconi's government began with his huge foibe campaign. That's probably the reason why we always vote differently than other countries. Fini of course is persona non grata. We had someone who went to Italy to be tried there and was probably indeed not guilty. As for that guy that we have on trial for genocide (up to 300 missing from his 'KGB' list), it is possible that he is being framed, anything could have happened in 45. The biggest problem is partisan terror after bishop Rozman tried to annex Ljubljana province to Italy. In 43 the communists in Jajce, Bosnia decided to ignore Sokol and the Democrats who were also in the resistance. The German genocide in Slovenia can be also seen on PBS Frontline, about those camps liberated by the British, part II., except that the narrator doesn't really say where those people were from.

After Milosevic centralised Serbia (took autonomy from Vojvodina and Kosovo) we demanded to be allowed to speak slovenian in 'Tito's army, claimed that our territorial defense had stolen no arms and formed all kinds of parties. Now most of the dead could be finally buried.

[Sumud]

I remember the story, from few years back.

After the war, the Soviets appointed a holocaust survivor, as the menager of prisoner camp for captured SS war criminals. Turned out, the holocaust survivor was not a very good menager... and some 1500 SS murderers were starved to death... ( with the war and all, food was sacrese... ).

The camps weren't just for captured SS, they were for ethnic Germans. This included military personal, but also many civilians.

I would have thought that most people here would understand that prosecuting people who were involved in running concentration camps might be a good thing.

[Mil]

Posted by Sumud:

The camps weren't just for captured SS, they were for ethnic Germans. This included military personal, but also many civilians.

Source.


I would have thought that most people here would understand that prosecuting people who were involved in running concentration camps might be a good thing.

Yes, like prosecuting those Arabs who have thrown ethnic Jews out of Iraq.

[Semsem]

Actually I believe that the camps also had some German civilians. Anyway even if they did, I can understand this poor guy who had lost all his family and had just been released from Aushwitz. The Russians should be blamed for putting him in charge.

[Gilgamesh]

The effective Soviet de-Nazification of eastern Eruope, I see as justice in mass.
The herding, deportation and elimination of Nazis, facists and their coloborators is one of the greatest services the Soviets done to man kind.
One may dislike the soviet methods (I am all for it), but the justice cannot be denied. For their entire reign, the Soviets hunted down and finished Nazis off, which is always a good thing.

[tandem]

if they were german civilians who lived in poland you could say they part of the nazi establishment.

[Luke90]

if they were german civilians who lived in poland you could say they part of the nazi establishment.

I can see that they might carry some amount of guilt by association but surely not enough to justify their deaths?

[minusthejihad]

I'm certainly not shedding any tears for them.

[Mil]

Posted by Luke:


I can see that they might carry some amount of guilt by association but surely not enough to justify their deaths?

I am a Jew from the former Soviet Union and certainly have no sympathy for anyone who happened to be German during WWII. In your wildest dreams you cannot even imagine of what the Germans did some 60 years ago and believe me it was not even close to "Schlindler's List."