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    Semsem
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    The British: Sleeping with the Enemy

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    Column one: An attack on us all
    By CAROLINE GLICK



    The barbaric terrorist attacks on Thursday morning in London make us all feel like Englishmen.

    Sitting in Jerusalem and watching the scenes on the television screen of emergency workers evacuating wounded from the burned out bus and of survivors, faces blackened from the underground blasts, describing the frightful events, bend one's heart toward Britain in its hour of pain.

    As we Israelis think of England, it is hard to help from wondering if perhaps, in the hearts of some of the British, the sentiment arose that on July 7, 2005 they became Israelis.

    It will take a long time to sort out how the attacks were organized and perpetrated. But one thing is clear enough. Britain was attacked by jihad. In attacking London's financial center, as in the attacks on the World Trade Center, the object of the terrorists was not merely to kill people, but to harm a way of life, built on freedom and free trade – the way of life of Western civilization.

    The reason that it is hard not to wonder if, at their moment of shock, the British people felt a kinship with the Israeli people is because for the past five years, since the Palestinians began their jihad against Israel, Britain has been playing a lead role in distinguishing between jihad directed against Israel and jihad directed against the rest of the world.

    In Britain itself, which for the past two decades has hosted some of the ideological leaders of global jihad, the jihadists have made no attempt to hide that their goals are not limited to the Jewish state, or as the common parlance has it, "the occupation," but rather span the globe.

    In the weeks ahead of the British elections in May, Muslim activists stormed mosque meetings and denounced democracy demanding that British Muslims boycott the elections. Even as radically anti-Israel politicians like George Galloway and Oona King tried to outdo one another with their anti-Israel diatribes to win a seat in Parliament, both were attacked by Muslims on campaign stops.

    In 2004, anti-Semitic attacks against Jews in Britain increased 42 percent over 2003. Yet, lip service aside, the steady rise of violent anti-Semitism has been greeted with complicity by the government. The Labor Party's election campaign was marked with anti-Semitic imagery. In one campaign poster, Tory leader Michael Howard was depicted as a hooked-nose Fagin – the anti-Semitic archetype from Oliver Twist. Rather than apologize for the slur, Prime Minister Tony Blair's adviser Alistair Campbell laughed off the storm, saying that the publicity the poster had generated was worth millions of pounds of free advertising.

    In an article published on his website, www.elaph.com, and quoted by MEMRI this past spring, Dr. Ahmad Abu Matar, a Palestinian living in Oslo, discussed the Islamic Liberation Party, active in Britain, which, "announces from London its political platform – to establish the Islamic caliphate over all corners of the earth – and declares that the party will suggest to the Queen of England that she convert to Islam, and thus will not have to pay the Islamic poll tax on non-Muslims." MEMRI reported that in the same article Matar cited the activities of Abu Hamza Al-Masri, the imam of Finsbury Park Mosque in London, who called for jihad and suicide bombings in Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

    Last summer, London Mayor Ken Livingstone received Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the main religious authority of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has spawned such movements as al-Qaida and Hamas, to his City Hall, referring to him as "an Islamic scholar of great respect." This "scholar" to whom Livingstone gushed, "You are truly, truly welcome," is a bit of a liberal in Islamist circles. He believes that both men and women should strive to become suicide bombers in the name of jihad.

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    Just months before, the senior imam of the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Abdul Rahman al-Sudayyis, visited London as well. Sudayyis was welcomed by a minister from Blair's government as an honored guest of Britain even though he has referred to Jews as "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."

    Writing in May of the prospect of suicide bombings in Britain in the Saudi daily Al-Yawm, also published by MEMRI, Sawsan Al-Sha'er noted, "After we read about three English youths of Asian background breaking into one of the mosques in London to prevent the worshipers from voting in the [recent] elections, on the grounds that [Muslims] should not vote in these elections, expect the English 'Islamist' version of exploding suicide bombers soon."

    Rather than accept that the jihadists who live in and visit Britain themselves make no distinction between their anti-British rhetoric and their anti-Semitic rhetoric, the British societal elite, on both the Left and the Right, have been intent on ignoring that in the minds of those who seek their destruction, there is no distinction between the war against the Jews and the war against the Christian West. The vilely anti-Semitic decision by the Anglican Church last week to divest from Israel and companies doing business with Israel is a case in point. The Anglican Church, which has wholeheartedly adopted the anti-Semitic "replacement" theology which asserts that Christianity replaced the Jewish covenant with God, is no doubt so blinded by its anti-Semitism that it is incapable of understanding that it shares the same enemies as the despised Jews.

    Responding to the increasing anti-Semitism in his own country, Tony Blair has worked to undermine Israel's strategic partnership with the United States. Since the September 11 attacks, Blair has been studiously insisting that Arab and Palestinian terrorism against Israel and Jews and concomitant anti-Semitic ideology is wholly distinct from terrorism and jihadist ideology against non-Jews. Over the weekend, on his way to Singapore, Blair made a brief visit to Saudi Arabia to meet with Crown Prince Abdullah and reportedly discussed with him the need for the establishment of a Palestinian state. During his campaign for reelection, Blair paid a visit to the Board of Jewish Deputies and told them, in the midst of the violent anti-Semitism that wracked the campaign, that achieving "peace" between Israel and the Palestinians through the establishment of a Palestinian state was the most urgent foreign policy issue on his agenda. Even as the battles were still raging in the immediate aftermath of the American-British invasion of Iraq, in April 2003, Blair pushed US President George W. Bush to pressure Israel to accept the so-called road map for peace despite Israel's objections. Blair has offered to train the terror-tainted Palestinian militias and Alistair Crooke, the British EU security coordinator with the Palestinians, has been carrying on a dialogue with Hamas and Hizbullah for years.

    The thing of it is, through all of this, the overwhelming majority of Israelis have had great respect for Blair as a leader because of his willingness to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Americans in Iraq despite the toll it has taken both on his standing in his own political camp in Britain and on Britain's relations with France and Germany. His insistence on remaining true to the Anglo-American alliance even as levels of anti-American sentiment have risen precipitously throughout Europe and in Britain itself in recent years has been honorable and courageous. Israelis see a reason for hope in Blair's stubborn defense of that partnership. Just as he stands by America, we believe that he will also stand by Israel when at last he accepts the truth that the Palestinian war against Israel is part and parcel of the same jihad that turned Salman Rushdie into a hunted man in Britain and has now turned Britain's underground system and its buses into scenes from a Tel Aviv cafe.

    Just months before, the senior imam of the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Abdul Rahman al-Sudayyis, visited London as well. Sudayyis was welcomed by a minister from Blair's government as an honored guest of Britain even though he has referred to Jews as "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."

    Writing in May of the prospect of suicide bombings in Britain in the Saudi daily Al-Yawm, also published by MEMRI, Sawsan Al-Sha'er noted, "After we read about three English youths of Asian background breaking into one of the mosques in London to prevent the worshipers from voting in the [recent] elections, on the grounds that [Muslims] should not vote in these elections, expect the English 'Islamist' version of exploding suicide bombers soon."

    Rather than accept that the jihadists who live in and visit Britain themselves make no distinction between their anti-British rhetoric and their anti-Semitic rhetoric, the British societal elite, on both the Left and the Right, have been intent on ignoring that in the minds of those who seek their destruction, there is no distinction between the war against the Jews and the war against the Christian West. The vilely anti-Semitic decision by the Anglican Church last week to divest from Israel and companies doing business with Israel is a case in point. The Anglican Church, which has wholeheartedly adopted the anti-Semitic "replacement" theology which asserts that Christianity replaced the Jewish covenant with God, is no doubt so blinded by its anti-Semitism that it is incapable of understanding that it shares the same enemies as the despised Jews.

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    Universal Truth
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    You won't see any British people suddenly feeling the pain of Israeli's. The British have had Terrorist attacks before, and they still haven't sympathised with Israel.

    It is a simple fact, that Israel is seen as a legitimate target by most (if not all) of Europe.

    The British are now in the leftist mindset that is a kind of self flagellation over the attacks. They blame themselves, and ultimately, they blame Israel & USA.

    The mind of a Euro appeaser, this is how it works. Arabs hate Israel>>>America supports Israel>>>Britain supports America - so you will see even less support for Israel & America from now on.

    Sadly, it looks like Israel will be on its own to tackle Iran.

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    Semsem
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    Blair is trying to blame the Palestinian Israeli conflict for his sorrows. Again blaming the Jews for their problems is a favorite sport.

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    achaaban
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    Haven't the British across history been sleeping with the enemy?

    Look back at history and you will realize that the major disasters in today’s world were actually British made, as a result of being in bed with too many enemies.

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    RichardP
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    Quote Originally Posted by achaaban
    Haven't the British across history been sleeping with the enemy?

    Look back at history and you will realize that the major disasters in today’s world were actually British made, as a result of being in bed with too many enemies.
    I have done my fair share of UK bashing on these boards: Blair and his minions are blatantly anti-Israel/Semitic, with their government’s policies and rhetoric against Israel. Yes, as well, it is known that Blair decided, albeit insanely, that by mollycoddling Radical-Islam, that somehow, the UK would in turn be unscathed by terrorist acts.
    There is no doubt as well, that the Brits screwed up big time in the ME, especially the Palestine issue in the preceding century. There is no doubt; too, that Great Britain like many former world powers had dalliances with whom they sensed would solidify their powerbase… as they and others do now.
    Nevertheless, to define the UK as collaborationists with the enemy throughout history is pathetic and dead wrong. I believe if one, when looking back a century or more, would acknowledge it was not the UK whom was collaborationist… as there are other states which, I’m sure, fit that bill more accurately and appropriately.
    There isn’t a world power past or present that hasn’t slept with the devil to fulfill its cause or agenda.
    I heartily agree that Saint Tony and his wanker leftist disciples are what have been ascribed them, idiots. Nonetheless, to make wide, sweeping falsehoods and accusations, which don’t stand up; only comes across as being ill-informed; and as well, inspired by The Michael Moore School of Truth-Spinning.
    I’m more than certain a few posters here, from the true collaborationist and self-professed neutral states will be in agreement with you, though: with a self-assured smirk on their faces.

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    achaaban
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardP
    Nevertheless, to define the UK as collaborationists with the enemy throughout history is pathetic and dead wrong. I believe if one, when looking back a century or more, would acknowledge it was not the UK whom was collaborationist… as there are other states which, I’m sure, fit that bill more accurately and appropriately.
    1- I never said collaborationist ( but it sounds suitable to utilize)

    2- The enemy is normally subjective, it depends on who you are and who do you view as an enemy.

    3- The UK slept with enemies sounds better. The UK as well slept with friends and made them the enemies of each other. They divided people into becoming enemies and conquered by mere divisions. They promised their constructed enemies the same things and delivered based on what is serving British interests by means of violating treaties. Haven't it been for the UK there would have never been an Arab-Israeli conflict. The UK's interest in Arab oil was the main cause of the problem of today that Israelis and Palestinians are paying the price of. It was the British dividing the Arab world and not the British creating the State of Israel that is the cause of the Arab Israeli conflict. The Arabs and the Zionist Organization were in agreement about the Balfour Declaration (Faisal Weisman Agreement), the problem actually started, when the British decided to make a deal with the Sauds, expelled the Hashemites from Hejaz and took control over the Arab oil producing states as protectorates. The British made the Wahabis, they are best friends of the Wahabis and they are the protectors of the Wahabis. The British are the main supporter of Arab dictators and the whole concept of the Arab League.

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    RichardP
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    As said, sleeping with the enemy is tantamount to collaborationist... I would think that France is more suitable a choice... for that said honour.

    Did I not say that the Brits, of anyone, screwed up majorly in the ME.? I was and never have been in disagreement with what is said about the ME. Only to add that other nations became culpable in adding to GB’s mishandling and actions in the ME. They, the Brits, carry on that tradition to this day… never disagreed with that, ever.

    I agree with much if not most of what is said about the ME: there are, however, a host of players who lent a hand in the past and current ongoing dilemmas in the ME. The British, yes, were the major contributors to the whole sickly affair and would serve us well to keep their noses et al out of the entire bloody mess.

    My argument was, not what was; the basis of your past post, but the sweeping allegations with little or no explanation. Nor should one totally demonise the history of the UK, though there is much that deserves it: on the other hand much that does not.

    Frankly, I would take the UK as an ally over France and a few other Euro-States. Last night I got a post saying I am blatantly Anti-UK… Canada’s ills were mentioned: G-d, let’s not open that can of worms.

    I despise Blair and his Labour Government’s transparent loathing of Israel. Nor do I necessarily believe matters would be much different with another party forming the government.

    You explained it well, if you had done so in the last post, I wouldn’t have got my knickers in a twist, Achaaban. Thanks for your post; I believe, correctly, or so I presume; that we are largely in agreement of your last posting.

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    Lefty_Liberal
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    Hey ye can't disagree with Britain and France are trying to do they are trying to separate the boundaries among us removing religion from politics which is where it belongs but there is always going to be anti-religious change and as soon as they see a brown skined person on the t.v after a bombing or a shooting automaticly proclaim that it is a "Jihad" asumption is the mother of a ups don't ye know that.

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    Mira
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty_Liberal
    Hey ye can't disagree with Britain and France are trying to do they are trying to separate the boundaries among us removing religion from politics which is where it belongs but there is always going to be anti-religious change and as soon as they see a brown skined person on the t.v after a bombing or a shooting automaticly proclaim that it is a "Jihad" asumption is the mother of a ups don't ye know that.
    Hey Lefty_Liiberal! I don't know if there is a thread on what's happening politically and socially in the various Arab countries now, but I would love to hear what you have to say about the UAE. Everything I've read sounds very promising, culturally and economically.

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    Lefty_Liberal
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    Im not actully from the U.A.E but i lived their for a couple of years and supported many trade agreements i hear of an upcoming trade agreement with Australia that could potentionally lower the cost of living their so everything is looking on the up

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    achaaban
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    I will be able to help you with the UAE since I lived there for four years, it is an excellent place to live, as long as you are not interested in politics or have a critical mind. Great hotels, night life, and luxury. And an excellent pay check.

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    Cato
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    Britain has gotten away with many highly anti-semetic actions and rhetoric because it is pro-American. While jewish groups notice France because it's anti-Israeli stances are more well known, and because it has the largest jewish population in Europe Britain's alliance with the US obscured it's anti-Israeli Stances, and because it's jewish population isn't so large it is generally believed that the anti-semetism is only part of a broader rise in the disease.

    I will give some basic examples.

    Example One
    The AUT (Teachers Union) for months out of last school year ordered divestment from Israel because 1.A historically innacurate paper trying to depict the jews as invaders with massive support and an invulnerable army in 1948 was given an F, 2.A lecturer Illan Pape was fired for teaching in class that Israel is an aparthied state, that nazism has siezed judaism, and that jews worship Satan three times a day (All three being highly offensive to jews). When some notable Palestinian Teachers called the move unjust, and Israeli Universities called lawyers up it was lifted.

    Example Two
    The Anglican Church ordered total divestment from both Israel and any business that works with Israel. That divestment is still in action today.

    Example Three
    The Labour Party depicted the conservative opposition leader as Phegan, the stereotype jewish thief from Oliver Twist.

    Example Four
    The Guardian Published a cartoon showing Ariel Sharon eating a baby, and ordering more kosher meat. A blatant use of the blood libel, yet when Jonathan Sacks the chief Rabbi in Britain took them to court he lost (Despite British anti-racist publishing laws).

    There are many more examples, but I will leave it there for now.
    Britain isn't the only Western Nation that hates Israel and blames as many things as possible on Israel and pushy jews in New York making America pro-Israeli (Although I have yet to see a zionist claim France is only pro-Palestinian because of pushy Muslims in Marsielles). So Britain does not deserve total blame, but it does deserve a lot of criticism for anti-semetism.

    France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Poland Russia, and well all of Europe is highly anti-Israeli.

    Britain should take a first step, and concede that there is a very major outbreak of anti-semetism in the UK. The ONLY issue I think Chirac deserves to get praise on in my opinion is acknowledging the outbreak of anti-semetism in his country, and Britain should also admit there is a problem in order so they could deal with it accordingly.

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