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    Suddenly, the French want us to like them

    ‘Detente has arrived’

    Sharon received in Paris with red carpet, set to meet with Chirac and announce upgrading of relations between countries
    By Ronen Bodoni and Diana Bahur-Nir

    PARIS - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and French President Jacques Chirac are scheduled to meet at 1:30 p.m. (Israel time) and announce an upgrading of relations.

    “After years of bittersweet relations, the time for détente has arrived,” declared Le Monde in its front-page main caption.

    Israel and France are planning to create a fund for the improvement of the image of each country in the other’s public opinion sphere.

    A few hundred protestors demonstrated against Israel ‘s presence in the West Bank and Gaza, holding signs condemning Sharon. But the protest did not succeed in ruining the positive atmosphere.

    A source close to the prime minister said “France would like to again play an important role in the Middle East, and she has understood that she can’t do this without going through Jerusalem.”

    In a similar spirit, the La Figaro newspaper wrote that “France understood that it is risking long term isolation if it does not listen to Israel. Israel for its part understands that without a stable relationship with France it won’t obtain anything – at least not much – in the European Union. Thus, both countries want to focus on what they share.”

    Diplomatic sources told ynet that there is a will on the part of France to turn over a new leaf. Sharon was warmly received in Paris, and his hosts arranged a respectable and impressive welcoming ceremony. A red carpet was rolled under his feet as he disembarked from the plane, and the guard of honor joined in the festive ceremony.

    A diplomat in the Elysees Palace said, “Since Sharon was voted in, relations between the countries were cold, perhaps frozen. The Israeli media also denunciated what it saw as French policy mistakes.”

    The Le Monde newspaper mentioned a Maariv article from October 2003, which showed a photo of Chirac, under the headline: “Collaborator.”

    The text below the photo said that Chirac “uncovered the face of French anti-Semitism.” The article came after Chirac failed to condemn the comments of the former Malaysian Prime Minister, Mahatir Muhammad, who said that “the Jews control America.”

    Le Monde said the height of tension between the two countries was on July 18, 2004, when Sharon called on France’s Jews to immigrate to Israel due to the anti-Semitism raging in France.

    Following the call, it was reported that Chirac declared Sharon to be persona non grata, though the report is denied by the Elysees Palace.

    “Sharon never hid his intention to bring as many Jews to Israel as possible and that he saw France as a potential reservoir,” Le Monde said.

    French diplomats said they believe that if Sharon again calls for Jews to “return to the land of the forefathers,” the call will be low profile, to avoid upsetting his hosts.

    The visit’s timing seems to be the product of a number of overlapping interests. France is close to national elections and is keen to show its influence on the Israeli-Palestinian sphere.

    What Israel wants

    Sharon is, for his part, interested in creating "diplomatic credit" abroad for the disengagement program, by building ties with European leaders.

    Sharon and Chirac will spend much of their time discussing the disengagement, as well as what will on the day after the pullout.

    The two will also discuss topics such as the disarmament of Hizbullah, the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Lebanon, and the Iranian nuclear threat.

    Diplomatic sources said that “relations with France have known highs and lows, and there’s no doubt that the warmth in relations is a very important thing which should now be advanced. The change in France’s relation to Israel comes from the disengagement program. They understand that this is the only game in town, and that the route to becoming involved in the area passes through Jerusalem. They also understand that an unbalanced policy has to be changed.”

    In advance of Sharon’s trip to Paris, the prime minister gave a number of interviews to French press agencies in which he explained his call to French Jews to immigrate to Israel following a rise in anti-Semitism, a call that was interpreted by the French as an insult.

    Diplomatic souces said that it “was clear that in France there is anti-Semitism, but Chirac is fighting hard against it, and the prime minister intends to thank him for that. The prime minister highlighted many times that he is interested in encouraging French Jews to move to Israel, and at the same time, he’s interested in encouraging all Diaspora communities to do so.”

    Statistics on anti-Semitism

    Before Sharon’s arrival in Paris, the French interior ministry published encouraging statistics showing a 48 percent fall in anti-Semitic incidents this year. Some 290 incidents were recorded this year, as opposed to 561 in the previous year.

    Around 330 French Jews immigrated to Israel on the same day that the statistics were published, a record number of immigrants in a single day.
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    But what does France want?

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    I don't trust Chirac .

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    do not trust them

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    Sharon made a stand by calling on the French Jews to return to Israel, which did struck a cord. And Chirac failed to get what he wanted (the EU constitution) by building his popularity on scapegoating Israel. Blaming Jews for all the world's ill doesn't pay anymore, so Chirac dropped it.

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    if the French Jews decide to immigrate to Israel, does it means Chirac fails? or French politics goes insane? a personal question...

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    IMO, France doesn't need Jews and Jews don't need France. Yeah, cooperation is nice, but being stubbed in the back isn't quite worth it.
    Quote Originally Posted by serdar
    if the French Jews decide to immigrate to Israel, does it means Chirac fails? or French politics goes insane? a personal question...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KettleWhistle
    IMO, France doesn't need Jews and Jews don't need France. Yeah, cooperation is nice, but being stubbed in the back isn't quite worth it.
    can we say that 'it's same for all European countries'?

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    I now prefer France to Britain.

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    I now prefer France to Britain.
    Just out of interest, what are your main gripes with Britain apart from Ken Livingstone (and me)?

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    Gasa pull-out?
    Bilateral contact israeli-palestinian?

    Isn't that some reason for France?

    Counter US embargo on the China arms sales, isn't that a reason for Israel?



    Ps: But I still dislike this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDidier
    Gasa pull-out?
    Bilateral contact israeli-palestinian?

    Isn't that some reason for France?
    You mean, reason for France to stay out of it because it's none of your business? Yes there is!

    Counter US embargo on the China arms sales, isn't that a reason for Israel?
    So that the corrupt Chinese government can opress more people while the French prosper on their blood?

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    Detente means nothing more than it says it means. It means rationally explaining one's own strategic interest to the other party and attempting to deal with one another strictly on that basis. They don't have to like one another and they never will. It would not be in France's interest to appear to side with or overtly support Israel on any issue. But the relationship can serve on a lower level to help the countries cooperate on trade and technology and other less media worthy issues. Honestly, neither country is going to budge, Chirac still believes that Sharon is a war criminal and the whole country should be erased from the earth. But it's convenient to deal with the Israelis he hates so much because it is expedient to do so. And Israel will it convenient to have better relations even with France because they are running out of allies otherwise. It's all a temporary measuer I think from the French PoV since they genuinely see the extinction of Israel sometime in the first half of this century.

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    I prefer anyone ower Europe.
    EU is failed project. I don`t like that Serbia (or any other country, as Israel) is going near EU. With their non-coherent foreighn politics, failed constitution, acceptance of worthless former Soviet and Yugoslav republics, and Balcan Countries, EU don`t worth much.
    As allies, France is... well
    I would like to stay off "european integrations" and just make buisiness with them, and nothing else.

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    Basicaly,
    Europe is made of ex-colonial powers, used to think and act like such. France, Britain and other will aproach Israel, at first with friendly negotiations, commerce deals, and then they will blacmail you over political issues. They threat pepole like we are thier colonial subjects or 3rd world countries.
    For Britain, only British are nation,
    For French, only French are nation
    Simle as that.

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