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    windowlicker
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    new jewish neighborhood in muslim quarter, baby

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050726/...rael_jerusalem

    JERUSALEM - Jerusalem planners have approved the construction of a new Jewish neighborhood in the city's Muslim Quarter, officials said Tuesday, threatening to further inflame tensions between Israelis and Palestinians in the city claimed by both as a capital.

    The plan to build 21 apartments for Jews in the walled Old City's Muslim Quarter was approved 5-2 by a local planning board late Monday, said Yosef Alalu, a dovish city council member who is on the committee. The plan has to go through several more bureaucratic stages before final approval.

    The plan was presented to the planning board by the Housing Ministry.

    Palestinian officials accused Israel of creating facts on the ground ahead of a peace deal that would determine the fate of Jerusalem. "It will be like adding fuel to the fire, and we urge U.S. intervention to block this decision," said Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator.

    Israel captured east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast War and annexed it into its capital, a decision not recognized internationally. Palestinians want east Jerusalem, including the walled Old City, as the capital of a future state.

    Israeli moves to settle Arab neighborhoods of the city have sparked violence in the past.

    The current plan could be even more incendiary because it does not involve private property transactions, but is backed by the government. Alalu said the municipality would have to rezone a "green" area to build the apartments. "It is clear that when the first tractor puts down the first stone it will lead to the next uprising and could have international impact," Alalu said.

    The Old City consists of four quarters — Muslim, Christian, Jewish and Armenian. Today, just a few Jewish families live in the Muslim Quarter, in fortified complexes.

    About a dozen properties are owned by Jews, including Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who bought an apartment there in 1987. For several years, Sharon used the apartment to hold political meetings, but today rarely visits the heavily guarded compound.

    The plan approved Monday — which has been in the works for several years — would violate a city ban on building within 10 yards of the Old City wall, Alalu said.

    The city engineer, Uri Shetrit, initially opposed the plan, which called for the construction of 30 housing units, Alalu said. Due to the engineer's concerns, the committee approved a smaller plan for 21 homes, but recommended the regional planning board — the next stop in the authorization process — approve the larger plan, Alalu said.

    The municipality said Shetrit is not permitted to speak to reporters.

    It will take years for the plan to move from paper to actual construction, Alalu said, because several more approval stages remain. In the past, the Housing Ministry and other government agencies have halted the project in the planning stages, he said.

    Israeli human rights activist Danny Seidemann said Sharon's goal is to strengthen the hold on Jerusalem while the world's attention is focused on his upcoming Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

    Earlier this month, the Sharon government decided on the route of its separation barrier — intended as a defense against suicide bombers — that will cut off six Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem from the city. Palestinian officials have accused Israel of drawing the barrier to reduce the Palestinian population of the city.

    The approval of the Jewish neighborhood in the Muslim Quarter "is yet another example that Mr. Sharon is using the withdrawal from Gaza ... to consolidate an Israeli stranglehold over east Jerusalem in a way that no government, including his own, has ever, ever dared to do in the past," said Seidemann, an attorney who heads Ir Amim, a Jerusalem settlement watchdog group.

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    Tough darts -that's what living in a modern city is. If they don't like it then they should move to a protected gated Palestinian enclave.

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    You could confine all the Jews in the world into a ghetto the size of an average postage stamp, and some neo-gestapo "ism" would still find a reason to persecute them. It just happens that the current neo-gestapo "ism" is the Arab/Islamic world. When will we realize that "...some of my best friends are Jews..." is really a tempered, anti-semitic, racist statement, especially when there is a noticable hiss in the voice (or words) of the person making such a staement. "It's the Jews fault!!!" - makes me want to rally to to the side of the Jews against those who purpose another shoah. The world has nothing to fear from a nuclear Israel, but all the moderate Muslims (so called) in the world will not deter any nuclear Islamic nation from using their weapons when it's to their advantage. But, it's the Jews fault!!! Broken record.

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    atricnorth
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    the battle for jerusalem as we know now has began to take effect as new settles go into jerusalem to claim the land god promise to the 12 twelves tribes of israel

    mazel tov

    god bless judah and israel

    toda and shalom

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    windowlicker
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    Quote Originally Posted by atricnorth
    the battle for jerusalem as we know now has began to take effect as new settles go into jerusalem to claim the land god promise to the 12 twelves tribes of israel

    mazel tov

    god bless judah and israel

    toda and shalom
    yes. we need to continue buying more land in places like abu dis, abu tor, and any other eastern neighborhood. this takes millions of dollars, which imo calls for the rich american jewish donors to change the locations of their contributions. start buying apartments and land so that we can peacefully get the arab population to leave out of their own free will.

    anyone considering aliyah should come straight to jerusalem. its the most beautiful city in israel anyways...

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    Kawa
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    The camel jockies should stop bothering. They have 21 capitals- Jerusalem is the capital of Israel!

    One of the most fascinating cities I ever saw!!! I have to go back soon!

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    Speaker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawa
    The camel jockies should stop bothering. They have 21 capitals- Jerusalem is the capital of Israel!

    One of the most fascinating cities I ever saw!!! I have to go back soon!
    It is gonna be Berlin before the fall of the Berlin's wall. Giving them an almost half of our own capital city is really lame by dreaming about Peace. After they get their part of Jerusalem they will demand for another part and so on, it is the real peace destroying Israel plan.

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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawa
    The camel jockies should stop bothering. They have 21 capitals- Jerusalem is the capital of Israel!

    One of the most fascinating cities I ever saw!!! I have to go back soon!
    You are most Welcome!

    Just tell me in advance so I can recomand you all the "must see" places and hot spots!

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    Kawa
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    Hello Gilgamesh,

    very kind of you!!! I was only one day in 'Ushalem- far too short. I was only a week in total in Israel.

    My impression was, Hafia is nice for living, Tel Aviv (partially Haifa too) is nice for parties and bars, Jerusalem for culture and Golan for a nice picknick trip!!!

    I have to go back soon!

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    Kawa
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    Hello Speaker,

    we all know how the arabs are. After taking your land they will demand your beautiful women.

    You can watch it every day in Sudan...

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    I love Jerusalem .... there is no place else that compares with it ... it is indeed Jerusalem The Golden.
    I think you can stay a month there and not see everything.
    History , both ancient and modern, is in every step you take.

    I was there this past Shabbat for a family Bar Mitzvah.... after the ceremony in a Reform synagogue we had the party in a Arab restaurant in Abu Gosh ...that is Israel my friend .

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    I know friend. When people here start to argue about the "evil israelis" and "poor palastinians". I just ask them "In which country in the Middle East do arabs have the most civil rights?" And the answer is "Israeeel!"

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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophra
    I love Jerusalem .... there is no place else that compares with it ... it is indeed Jerusalem The Golden.
    You love Arabs, and there are plenty of those in Jerusalem

    I was there this past Shabbat for a family Bar Mitzvah.... after the ceremony in a Reform synagogue
    What do they recite in a Reform Synagouge? Not the Torah... it's too Jewish... not enough multi cultural for their taste, I assume...

    we had the party in a Arab restaurant in Abu Gosh ...that is Israel my friend .
    An Arab will never see one Shekel from me. I would never step in an Arab restorant for security reasons too, from fear of getting poisoned. Either way, I do know for certain the Arab piss into your salad and never wash their hands, so i wish you to enjoy your diarrhea. (At the very least, it will keep your posts VERY short... for a while).

    One last things... Arabs are invaders living in a land that is not theirs. Arab restorant is NOT "Israel", it foreign.

    There are Jewish cafes and restorant and places a plenty!

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    Ophra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
    You love Arabs, and there are plenty of those in Jerusalem

    What do they recite in a Reform Synagouge? Not the Torah... it's too Jewish... not enough multi cultural for their taste, I assume...

    An Arab will never see one Shekel from me. I would never step in an Arab restorant for security reasons too, from fear of getting poisoned. Either way, I do know for certain the Arab piss into your salad and never wash their hands, so i wish you to enjoy your diarrhea. (At the very least, it will keep your posts VERY short... for a while).

    One last things... Arabs are invaders living in a land that is not theirs. Arab restorant is NOT "Israel", it foreign.

    There are Jewish cafes and restorant and places a plenty!
    * sigh *

    That is such a sad sad post Gil

    How can you talk about tolerance in one post and post this ?????

    How can you complain about Arab States intolerance against Israel and think the way you do ????

    How can you say the Palestinians are taught only hate from birth yet you preach the same hate ????????????

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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophra
    * sigh *

    That is such a sad sad post Gil

    How can you talk about tolerance in one post and post this ?????

    How can you complain about Arab States intolerance against Israel and think the way you do ????

    How can you say the Palestinians are taught only hate from birth yet you preach the same hate ????????????
    Learn the difference between action and reaction, before passing any judgment at me, or any other.

    My attitude is reaction for Arab's actions. My attitude is reasonable and realistic. Your problem, is that you lie to yourself, patheticly trying to expalin, apologise for and underplay Arab's racism toward Jews and any other non-Arabs. They way your people only brought Israel closer to our doom.

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