Has the Civil War Begun?

[NewsGuy]

Shirat Hayam settlers block IDF access.

[Leon]

Well, as the ethnic cleansing has started, so has the violence.

Sharon's lies about not withdrawing under fire are outrageous as ever, as Palestinians continued to fire RPGs into the Israeli population centers. 2 such firings reported tonight into Gadid.

The settlers who are being ethnically cleansed cut the fence between Neveh Dekalim and Gadid, to connect the two settlements under IDF siege, and also cut the fence that the IDF was using to fence them in.

2 IDF soldiers from the "Tzabar" unit of the Givati brigade were caught red-handed robbing personal belongings from settlers' houses. They were nabbed as they were looting an air-conditioner from one of the houses and also were stealing a refrigerator.

In Ganei Tal, the residents are physically blocking IDF access into their settlement

Hundreds of residents have taken to the streets to fight IDF troops, and punctured the tires of IDF vehicles involved in the ethnic cleansing.

Other IDF personnel, disgusted with the expulsion, were kind enough to smuggle in other citizens who wanted to join the settlers in protest. Several such cases were reported. This demonstrates the difficulty the IDF soldiers are having with what they are being ordered to do. In one of the cases, an IDF serviceman supplied an army uniform to the citizens who were infiltrating the settlements in protest.

Other citizens, including Daniela Weiss were arrested trying to block IDF vehicles with their bodies.

PM Sharon is set to address the nation later in the evening, in an attempt to prevent even more damage to the split country.

what a disgrace. I salute those IDF soldiers who still have a moral conscience...they are probably the last remanent of a once heroic and moral army.

[atricnorth]

hmmmm, very soon, we will be in an army. lol

about few years from now, normandy?

this time liberation for israel.

currahee!!!!!!


yipeekaye


101st battalion "easy company" paratroopers

band of brothers, i think this time, its " coed".

[wellofvow]

Newsguy, please stop with the "ethnic cleansing" business.

The phrase is not correct in this situation.
It is disgusting and inflammatory.
Israelis are in agony, and you continue with this ****?
Whatever FOR?

[NewsGuy]

Newsguy, please stop with the "ethnic cleansing" business.

The phrase is not correct in this situation.
It is disgusting and inflammatory.
Israelis are in agony, and you continue with this ****?
Whatever FOR?

I am calling it as I see it, and I resent other people sanitizing the atrocity that is taking place.

When an army expels entire communities of men, women and children from their land, solely based on religion and ethnicity, it is ethnic cleansing, i.e., "cleansing" that land of a particular ethnic group. That is what's happening here.

It's a very ugly business, and likely a crime against humanity.

[SteveK]

Newsguy, please stop with the "ethnic cleansing" business.

The phrase is not correct in this situation.
It is disgusting and inflammatory.
Israelis are in agony, and you continue with this ****?
Whatever FOR?

Wellofvow,

You are Goddamn right that Israelis are in agony.

I got news for you. I'm starting to agree with you. Newsguy's use of the term "ethnic cleansing" has certainly given me vent to my own deep anger over this expulsion of Jews by Jews,--- this surrender of The State of Israel to these Arab murderers, torturers, and international pirates. But, you have a solid point that you are making against Newsguy's use of this term as disgusting and inflammatory, but there could be more....

This morning I read an article in the Hebrew Newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, which carried a note about CNN planning to make a video of the expulsion and then sell it for something like $30.00 a video. I don't know what other news "entrepreneurs" might be in this same business, but it got me thinking about Newsguy. Newsguy is supposedly a top executive in the news media industry. His articles have not been about the critcal need for Jewish settlement of the Land of Israel and diaspora aliya, but he wrote this rather good article against the expulsion and surrender (which it is absolutely), and spiced it up with "ethnic cleansing".

Here in Israel the term "ethnic cleansing" is exactly as you said as most inflammatory and has the potenital of inciting and releasing some deeply held aggressions. It does give vent. If Newsguy is such a top executive and responsible and professional person, then he certainly has a wide audience to influence and even fan the flames of hatred for a little more action to make a little more news and a little more drama come forth from an already unbearably painful situation already in progress.

Do I say that Newsguy looks to what's good for his news business?
I only know what I read about CNN's entreprenural thinking about cashing in
on others' suffering and degradation. I took great pause today on the use of the term "ethnic cleansing" by the Israeli Government.

I hope that I misunderstood the article about CNN's intentions. I hope that I am wrong about any speculation about NewsGuy's nose for business.

[Yasmeen]

I am calling it as I see it, and I resent other people sanitizing the atrocity that is taking place.

When an army expels entire communities of men, women and children from their land, solely based on religion and ethnicity, it is ethnic cleansing, i.e., "cleansing" that land of a particular ethnic group. That is what's happening here.

It's a very ugly business, and likely a crime against humanity.

Thank you for your previous comments, Newsguy.

I will say that I partially agree with you here. The term "ethnic cleansing" is technically correct. The Jewish people are being removed from a land based upon their ethnicity/religion. Yet, the word carries such horrible connotations, mainly, genocide, which is why I believe so many people are so offended by it's usage.

Let's be 100% honest here. Many of the settlers really are hardcore, religious extremists, and as unfortunate as it may be, the only event likely to bring about a peaceful resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict is the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Now, if a significant portion of the Arabs and Jews living in Gaza and the West Bank are religious extremists, how likely do you think the materialization of a Palestinian state/resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is? We can argue/discuss all day whether or not the Palestinians should have a state, and to tell you the honest to God truth, I really don't, but I think we can ALL agree that a peaceful resolution to the conflict is in the best interests of all parties involved, and there will almost certainly be no such thing if the current status quo is maintained.

Hence Sharon's decision to grant them a miniscule fraction of the state of Israel, a decision I find that no genuinely good/peace loving person could possibly oppose for legitimate reasons. Can anyone seriously fault the man for looking out for the best interests of the Jewish people?

[Yasmeen]

get out of gaza! get out! get out!

Wow, I have to say - I'm literally overwhelmed by such a deep, extremely well-thought out and intelligent contribution! Did you really think of this T-shirt worthy slogan all by yourself?!?!

[Speaker]

People don't pay much attention to this moron.

[redcake]

One of the settlers being interviewed on CNN suggested that Israel has been sticking people in various hotels as temporary housing, and that there doesn't seem to be a real plan for them. I'm wondering if this is true? Are they sticking families in the King David hotel? Do the children have arrangements set up for their schooling in a few weeks?

Also worth noting, the CNN anchorwoman suggesting the hold outs would lose their relocation money, which she misreported as being $200,000 worth.

[Mira]

Every point of view comes from a different perspective, and has both validity and built-in biases. Isn't that the timeless lesson of Rashoman?

The media on all sides has had its bias, and now with Sharon shifting positions, everyone is caught in a time warp, mind-boggling reassessment. Settlers are human beings, idealists, and also foolish to think they could plunk down innocently in the midst of a densley populated ennemy enclave and carry on normaly.

The media is now in a frenzy of rating fever and even hoping there will be some violent disturbance.

The Palestinians have made perfectly clear that this battle will be repeated. Will the media try and focus on the deep-seated and incompatible historical forces at work: Palestinian nationalism and terror, Israeli rights and aggrandizement, political opportunism, theistic rationalization, outside pressure, and the human reality of the cost to both sides?

I doubt the media will change, and it will probably opt for the quick, shallow, sensational over the deeper, ongoing issues.


-Peter Ruggill, Gezer, Israel

[GirlyMan2]

I salute the soldiers clearing the riff-raff out of Gaza. Those settlers illegally remaining in Gaza deserve to be dragged kicking and screaming from their beloved homes.

This is a great day for those who want peace!

[Speaker]

I salute the soldiers clearing the riff-raff out of Gaza. Those settlers illegally remaining in Gaza deserve to be dragged kicking and screaming from their beloved homes.

This is a great day for those who want peace!

BS, it's our land. And a fact that the whole world is against Jews and specially Europe so no wonder that you say so. And it won't lead to peace, it will lead only to more terror. Fact that nobody from Palestinian authority even said "Thanks" to Israel and fact that Hamas, Islamic Jihad and all their monkeys told that they will keep terror in Israel. How can you be happy by watching tv and seeing all the civilized people get kicked out of their own homes, all the beautiful gardens, buildings and streets that were made from nothing (desert) being destroyed??!!??!! Why when we destroyed some Arabic house in which terrorists were living all the world began to scream?! That's just because one reason, hatred to Jews just because they are being what they are. There are better ways for peace. Israel gives lands of it's tiny country and gets nothing, only more threads of terror from Arabs. This is a perfect way to destroy the state of Israel. You listen to all the left anti-semitic propaganda in Europe, you live in a good silent area and you sit on sofa. I would like to see you telling me this BS again after you would get kicked out of your home and your land.

[Gilgamesh]

Never respond to a Nazi troll.
He is part of the herd that visited us yesterday.
He feels safe bragging from the other side of the world, too coward to face us. In Israel we step on brown roaches like him.
Soon, the Arabs will shove their Hammas falgs up his arss in his own beloved country.
We out live all our enemies, we will out live the Europeans as well.
I just love when the Arab Jihadist will rip you to pieces. Good thing when our enemies kill each other for our pleasure.

[Speaker]

I don't understand why somebody here removes posts of this Nazi, let people know what Europeans think about us and let people know about this Nazi. Ok if so, then why you just don't ban him?